Man holds would-be carjacker at gunpoint until police arrive

[DonP]

Look! Here's another one of those things that "never happens".

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-holds-would-be-carjacker-gunpoint-until-police/nmL4Z/

ATLANTA — An East Point man held a would-be carjacker at gunpoint until police arrived and arrested the suspect, according to Atlanta police.

Hashim Fannin, the car owner, says the attempted carjacking occurred just after he had pulled into a parking spot at the Family Dollar on Marietta Boulevard in northwest Atlanta earlier this month.

Fannin says the man slipped into the passenger’s seat when his doors automatically unlocked.

“He told me, ‘You know what this is,’” Fannin said. That is when Fannin says he pulled his gun out.

When police arrived, you can see Fannin wave them over, and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand, before putting the suspect in handcuffs.

“Honestly, I look at it like this. That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” Fannin said.

Oooh, and look. It's not a fat old white guy with the gun either.

So hard to keep your "gun owners are racist" memes intact these days with fewer gun owners everywhere.

[Duckhunter935]

1. I am sure they woill post this in the other group

any minute now

[tularetom]

3. Tell ya what, you go over there and let us know

that place creeps me out.

But I don't think you'll see it, there's no way they can possibly spin Mr Fannin's actions that would reflect badly on him.

[DonP]

6. "there's no way they can possibly spin Mr Fannin's actions that would reflect badly on him" Really?

Oh yes they can.

Last month, when a younger white guy jumped a 62 year old black man who was a concealed carrier in Florida, knocked him to the ground and held him there because he saw the holster, guess who the bad guy was on DU?

Guess who some on DU thought should have had his "arm broken" or been beaten by the guy now charged with assault?

Hint: Not the white guy who attacked the black man.

It seems an unprovoked racist attack is OK, if the black man has a firearm I guess.

[Duckhunter935]

10. I check it out

I like to be informed, just too bad they are scared of any debate over there. That seems to be why only a few post.

[MicaelS]

28. Oh, yes they can..

He was CARRYING A GUN IN PUBLIC. That makes him an evil pre-criminal just waiting and wanting to murder someone.

[7962]

2. If the races were reversed, it would have 300 posts about racist gun humpers

Just like the bad cops stories where the cop happens to be black, this story wouldnt get attention on the LBN board

[ileus]

4. How rude to the underprivileged can one be...

He unnecessarily escalated this innocent event.

[Politicalboi]

5. What if the guy just got up and walked away?

Would he have gotten shot? Would it be worth shooting someone over this? To me, the best thing would have been to get out of your car and call the police. Taking the keys with you of course if possible. This scum will be back on the streets before too long.

[DonP]

7. Oh Boy! Another useless "Woulda Coulda Shoulda" post

Here's an idea, how about just once discussing what actually happened, as opposed to what your feverish imagination cooks up?

[Politicalboi]

8. LOL!

Gun nuts. Because property and ego are more precious than life itself.

I didn't realize I was in the chamber zone. Sorry to piss on your gunz with my woulda shoulda cloulda.

[DonP]

9. "What if ..." dummies

That's OK, many people are incapable of carrying on a discussion without their personal fantasies involved.

Feel free to visit the other forum to discuss all the myriad possibilities of what "might have happened" (but never seems to) where you'll be surrounded by like "minded" folks.

And do be sure and stop by to let us know when any of you actually does something in the real world, as opposed to poor online snark, to support your control minded beliefs.

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. The only thing you're pissing on is the smoldering corpse of your credibility.

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Disingenuous "what if" speculation tends to do that...

[DonP]

16. Well now, some gun control minded people are very uncomfortable when black people have guns.

What if this had been a white guy holding a black man for police?

What if a meteor had struck the carjacker as he opened the door to jack the car?

What if the cop had shot Mr. Fannin?

What if it had turned out to be Elvis looking for a ride to Vegas instead of the carjacker?

What if the car owner was a total pacifist and would willingly hand over his car, wife and life to the carjacker because of his strong moral principles?

See, isn't this fun (not to mention really stupid) when you can ignore what actually happened and play "Let's Pretend"?

[pablo_marmol]

38. Have anything beside insults?

There's a reasonable question pending for you in post #29. You do seem to operating with a VMC*.

* variable moral compass

[NaturalHigh]

39. I love it when anti-RKBA types post "what ifs."

What if the carjacker had thrown down with a rocket launcher? What if the guy with the gun had shot a hole in his own foot and the bullet bounced up and hit a child? Oh won't somebody think of the children?!

[beevul]

12. Always the same question from you types.

With you lot, its always this:

Would it be worth shooting someone over this?

How come its never this question, and how come you dont ask it of the carjacker:

Would it (carjacking someone) be worth getting shot over this?

So tell me, why is it that all these hypotheticals are constantly asked of the defending party and never asked of the offending party ?


Is it because the party that is defending or simply the act of defending itself, offends you more than the offending party or their original actions?

That's damn sure the appearance you lot give off.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. You have interesting moral thresholds about when it is or isn't permissable to kill.

I wish I could do that

Poachers need to be stopped, and if it takes killing them, then so be it. I have NO sympathy for assholes who can shoot animals for voodoo sources or for Ivory, or skins. The US should step in and put troops in these areas just to scare the poachers off.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026456705

Emphasis added.

That was in response to an article about this chick --





This is what you said you wished you could do.

[sarisataka]

30. But what if another

white racist gun owner (we have been assured they all are) walks by looking to kill someone (again often told that is the only reason to carry a gun {I guess Mr. Fannin failed his test}) and saw a black man pointing a gun at a white man. He would have then opened fire, possibly hitting the nuns leading a field trip who might have been walking through the parking lot, then they would have pulled their guns and started shooting until the police arrive and not knowing who is the good guy open up with belt fed machine guns killing everyone in the parking lot and thirty-seven random people passing by; six of whom return fire killing two cops.

Or maybe the armed citizen holds the criminal on scene until police arrive and arrest him; no one gets injured. More than once it has been suggested that people should detain, physically if needed, a person with a gun so police can verify that the person is legally entitled to carry a gun. It seems logical to also detain actual criminals...

But then it isn't about crime or the victims

or about lives

I don't agree with your premise that displaying a firearm is protected.

It is a threat which should be dealt with as such.

Harshly and with extreme prejudice.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=130691

it is only about the gunz n'est-ce pas?

[DonP]

17. Yeah, sure fine

Wow! That cut and paste blather totally changes all our minds about gun ownership.

Thanks for re-posting the same irrelevant tired old crap we've been seeing from the control fans for years here.

Let us know when the number of violent crimes involving firearms isn't at a 30 year low and dropping anymore. Or when a single state even starts to repeal concealed carry laws.

Then you can try to actually comment on the post as it actually happened.

Nobody really cares about your "cut and paste" source free editorials, we've seen them all a dozen times or more and don't even bother debunking them anymore for every shiny new face that shows up.

Come back with something from a current neutral source, e.g. FBI, the CDC, if you want to be taken seriously

[Romeo.lima333]

18. oops sorry didnt realize this was a room not a forum

[DonP]

20. Stick around, be polite and you might learn something new

[Duckhunter935]

21. A group were all views are

Allowed and encouraged. Just be polite and expect to be challenged. This is not a safe haven like the other gun group requires.

[Eleanors38]

23. Actually, it's a group where debate is welcome.

The studies you referred to in the 3 deleted posts have been refuted many times here. But I would point out a Pew Research study which surveyed Black citizens' "favorable" views of armed black people. Released lasr year, the "favorable" rating went up from 29% to 54% in the space of two (2) years. For controller/banners, this does not bode well, as the urban African-American constituency has been relied upon by anti-gun politicians to promote a panoply of gun restrictions. This could be a major shift in the Narrative™ of "gunz."

[Eleanors38]

19. Lima posts 3 in a row, then pulls them all?

[Duckhunter935]

22. Should have left them up for context

But he or she can do what they want

[nichomachus]

24. If only there had been more people with guns in Waco, it would have ended peacefully n/t

[Eleanors38]

25. Yes, a "No Guns Allowed" sign woulda done it.

[DonP]

26. I'm sure you can explain what a Biker gang shootout has to do with a black man defending himself?

Or are you another low information gun control supporter that can't tell the difference between criminal gangs and a law abiding citizen?

Or do stories about black people using firearms to defend themselves upset you in general?

Now try real hard to make a comment that is even vaguely related to the OP.

[blueridge3210]

27. 9 biker "thugs" are DRT.

No riots. The local QuikTrip is safe; as is the local CVS. No assisted living centers under construction have been torched. Police cars are still intact. No mobs blocking the street; no "shrines" to now deceased thugs.

Seems to have ended pretty peacefully.


YMMV

[jimmy the one]

31. woke up S****** this morning

Michel S: He was CARRYING A GUN IN PUBLIC. That makes him an evil pre-criminal just waiting and wanting to murder someone.

Huh? wake up s***** this morning?

donP: Man holds would-be carjacker at gunpoint until police arrive Look! Here's another one of those things that "never happens".

Says who? you? wake up s***** this morning, too?
This might not have been a ccw carrier, since he drew the gun from under his car seat (slit in upholstery I'll bet), which would've been legal without shall issue, tho loaded maybe not.
And I guess since this happened in Atlanta Georgia, where shall issue is in full bloom, the pro gun position didn't work either, where 'armed citizens on the loose' supposedly deters crime. Ha, 90% of the citizens are not armed.

gun owner who thwarted his own car jacking: “Do you just get into random people's cars ... you thought I was your friend … you thought I was your friend ... so you woke up stupid this morning?”

[beevul]

32. "Says who? you?" Glad you asked, James.

"Says who? you?"

Glad you asked, James.

Where a bad guy with a gun has been stopped in any other way or by a person other than a law enforcement officer with a gun or by killing himself?” asked Blackwell.

“This has never happened,” replied Watts.

All one has to do is google "watts never happens" to get all kinds of links to Shannon Watts, spokesperson of bloombergs demanding moms, saying that.

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. Better yet, there's actual video available of Watts spouting this bullshit

https://iqmediacorp.com/ClipPlayer/?ClipID=246ebdf1-b8b0-417e-be98-d04b9b331602

The relevant bit is from 7:00 to 7:52 in the video
The transcript, for those that can't see the video:

(Note: This is the site's formatting, not mine)

>> I THINK IT IS OFTEN EASY
ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE IN THIS
SEAT AND IN MEDIA TO EASILY KIND
OF DISMISS WHAT TOV JUST SAID
BUT I WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU ON
SOMETHING, SHANNON...

...IS THERE AN EXAMPLE IN WHICH
MAYBE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS OR MALL
SHOOTINGS OR THESE PUBLIC
FACILITIES WHERE THAT HAS BEEN
WRONG, WHERE THIS BAD GUY WITH A
GUN HAS BEEN STOPPED IN ANY
OTHER WAY BY SOMETHING OTHER
THAN OR A PERSON OTHER THAN A
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH A
GUN OR HIM KILLING HIMSELF?
>> IT'S NEVER HAPPENED.
DATA SHOWS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

Cue in response: a) a silence like that on the far side of the moon, or
b) several paragraphs of dismissive handwaving and bafflegab

[jimmy the one]

40. Icon blasts away beevul!!

Observe beevul excerpt out of context, a conversation between victor Blackwell & Shannon watts of Moms demand action:

beevul: Where a bad guy with a gun has been stopped in any other way or by a person other than a law enforcement officer with a gun or by killing himself?” asked Blackwell.
“This has never happened,” replied Watts.

Beevul's out of context excerpt leaves the impression that Shannon watts was contending that the smattering of mano(+) a mano(+) dgus across America 'Never happen', when that is not what she was saying at all. For when you look at the conversation in fuller context, it's apparent Shannon watts was referring to school or mall shootings, as well as in special interest buildings, not mano a mano.
Clearly this was beevul's duplicitous intent, since it was a rejoinder to the dgu by the gun owner thwarting his own carjacking, by pulling a pistol out from under his car seat.

And whadaya know, it's icon who puts down beevul in a followup, posting the converso in fuller context. Thanks ALL CAPS Icon!

icon: Blackwell: >> I WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU ON SOMETHING, SHANNON....IS THERE AN EXAMPLE IN WHICH MAYBE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS OR MALL SHOOTINGS OR THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES WHERE THAT HAS BEEN WRONG, WHERE THIS BAD GUY WITH A GUN HAS BEEN STOPPED IN ANY OTHER WAY BY SOMETHING OTHER THAN OR A PERSON OTHER THAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH A GUN OR HIM KILLING HIMSELF?
Shannon watts replied: >> IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. DATA SHOWS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
http://www.highvelocityfirearms.com/2014/06/061014-tuesdays-news/

icon: Cue in response: a) a silence like that on the far side of the moon, or
b) several paragraphs of dismissive handwaving and bafflegab

Beevul clearly exhibited choice A), a silence like that on the far side of the moon, didn't he?

[beevul]

41. I predicted for myself, that such would be your response, and I saved this just for you, James.

I contend that she intended to sound the way I interpreted her words, however...

If she meant what you claim she does, then shes STILL WRONG (it seems you understand all caps, so this is for you):


Meet matthew murray, shooter at new life church in CO. Heres his "note of intent":

"I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_7686929

Motive.

Means:

Then Murray, who was armed with clips for 1,000 rounds of ammunition, and two hand guns, began firing an assault rifle in an corner of the parking lot.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_7682958


And since we KNOW (theres those caps you like so much) he committed the shooting, CLEARLY he had opportunity.


Now lets talk about how he was stopped:





At about 1 p.m. MST (20:00 UTC), 30 minutes after the 11 a.m. service had ended at New Life Church, Murray opened fire in the church parking lot shooting the Works family and Judy Purcell, 40. Murray then entered the building's main foyer where he shot Larry Bourbonnais, 59, hitting him in the forearm. At this point, Assam opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam's gun, Murray fatally shot himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings


No matter how one interprets Shannon watts words, her words make claims that are false.

You might try sprinkling a little sugar on, so it will be easier for you to swallow.

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. "Better to remain silent, and thought a fool, than to open's one mouth...

...and remove all doubt."

[beevul]

44. "a silence like that on the far side of the moon"

a) a silence like that on the far side of the moon

Looks like He is the one that took choice A.


Which makes it all the more hilarious.

[jimmy the one]

45. two rightwing punks

beevul: I predicted for myself, that such would be your response, and I saved this just for you, James.
I contend that she intended to sound the way I interpreted her words, however...

Jeez, your post is the sickest bunch of backsliding trash I've read recently, & I didn't realize what an egomaniac you are - caught slandering someone & instead of remorse you ante up & bash her some more. And you contend you took Shannon watts out of context in order to entrap me or something? you're fos. You are sick-minded to portray Shannon watts, a fine democrat who heads 'Moms demand Action', into some lying lame brained bimbo ostensibly out to steal your assault rifles & subject prospective gun buyers to the torture of enduring a background check.

wiki: Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America -- was founded by Shannon Watts in Indianapolis, on Dec 2012, after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. By 2013, it had grown into an advocacy group with 130,000 members and chapters in all 50 states. Moms Demand Action has lobbied members of Congress to expand background checks for individuals purchasing guns.. An ad campaign launched by the group compared assault weapons to less harmful things which have been banned in certain areas, including Kinder Surprise chocolates, certain books, and dodgeball.

beevul: If she meant what you claim she does, then shes STILL WRONG..

If? what do you mean 'if'? what part of 'school shootings, mall shootings' & shootings into special interest public bldgs., didn't you understand?
Then you think you make your point by posting a 2007 incident involving a church shooter, kills 4 during the day there & at a mission ctr, eventually stopped by what you think is a concealed carry shooter, or whatever. Again you take quotes out of context, to mislead, without providing relevant details which show you up as the sickening charlatan you are once again:

wiki: At this point, church member Jeanne Assam, a former Minneapolis police officer, opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam's gun, Murray fatally shot himself.

beevul's own link, how did he miss it?: .. bullet casings found in both locations were fired by a handgun found on Murray, who was killed by New Life Church volunteer security guard, Jeanne Assam, 42. "It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God," said Assam, a former Minneapolis police officer. " http://www.denverpost.com/ci_7686929

beevul: No matter how one interprets Shannon watts words, her words make claims that are false.

Not really. No matter how one interprets beevul's perversions of what shannon said, beevuls' words make it clear he's a sick minded pro gun charlatan with few scruples when it comes to mocking opponents of his feckless gun fetish.

what beevul said Shannon watts said: Where a bad guy with a gun has been stopped in any other way or by a person other than a law enforcement officer with a gun or by killing himself?” asked Blackwell.
“This has never happened,” replied Watts.

What actually was said: Blackwell: >> I WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU ON SOMETHING, SHANNON....IS THERE AN EXAMPLE IN WHICH MAYBE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS OR MALL SHOOTINGS OR THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES WHERE THAT HAS BEEN WRONG, WHERE THIS BAD GUY WITH A GUN HAS BEEN STOPPED IN ANY OTHER WAY BY SOMETHING OTHER THAN OR A PERSON OTHER THAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH A GUN OR HIM KILLING HIMSELF?
Shannon watts replied: >> IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. DATA SHOWS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

Flash to beevul: wiki: Contract security officers may enforce certain laws and administrative regulations, which may include detainment or apprehension authority, but not arresting. Peace officers may also be able to perform all duties that a law enforcement officer is tasked with, but may or may not be armed with a weapon
double whammy: murray shot himself after being shot by the security guard assam.

You also clipped Shannon's last sentence 'data shows it doesn't happen', apparently since that would've revealed she wasn't referring to mano a mano defensive gun uses, which would've shot down your own argument right there. So you had to 'delete' & take out of context in order to present your sickminded garbage.

the egomaniac, thinking he won after posting the assam dgu: You might try sprinkling a little sugar on, so it will be easier for you to swallow.

And go ahead, report this, I fully expect it; I have no fouls yet this quarter, & a few to spare, & it's worth it for telling you & your brownnosing sidekick what I really think of you two right wing creepy punks.

[beevul]

46. My my my...

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I can feel your anger from here.

And you lot accuse us of being angry...


From the top:

Jeez, your post is the sickest bunch of backsliding trash I've read recently, & I didn't realize what an egomaniac you are - caught slandering someone & instead of remorse you ante up & bash her some more. And you contend you took Shannon watts out of context in order to entrap me or something? you're fos.

You don't, apparently, read your own posts much. And 'slander' ? Give me a break.

You are sick-minded to portray Shannon watts, a fine democrat who heads 'Moms demand Action', into some lying lame brained bimbo ostensibly out to steal your assault rifles & subject prospective gun buyers to the torture of enduring a background check.

Now, James...If it were anyone but you, I'd feel insulted. Instead, I feel honored. Honored that you'd stoop so low as to try to make this about gender, bringing in the word "bimbo" and trying to hang it around my neck, while nattering on about how "sick" you think my posts are. That's just something none of us here are capable of experiencing amongst each other, alone, so you have my eternal thanks, as well as the thanks of others I'm sure.

On to the meat:

Theres no reason to pretend that Bloombergs Mother Monsanto is an innocent delicate little flower. Shes a VERIFIED liar on the gun issue. But then, you know that:

Moms Demand Action Deeply Disappointed in Federal Judge’s Decision Overturning Chicago’s Citywide Ban on Gun Dealerships

Grassroots Movement Outraged on Behalf of Gun Violence Victims in Chicago

U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang has ruled that Chicago’s ordinance prohibiting licensed gun stores from operating in the city is unconstitutional. The court’s decision reportedly cited the city’s failure to prove that banning licensed gun dealers has a significant impact in reducing gun violence. The ruling would also decriminalize many private transfers of firearms between individuals inside city limits.

Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America is shocked that in a densely populated city struggling to keep children safe from gunfire, the court has dealt a serious blow to public safety by essentially encouraging more citizens to arm themselves. We firmly believe that loosening gun legislation is a step in the wrong direction, and we echo the Mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emanuel, who ‘strongly disagrees’ with this ruling and said in a statement yesterday, “we need stronger gun safety laws, not increased access to firearms within the city.”

In the context of federal loopholes that already make it too easy for criminals to obtain firearms, cities must be allowed to enact local ordinances to curb gun violence, such as Chicago’s ban on gun dealing. Despite the gun lobby’s efforts to chip away at common-sense regulations, we support a city’s right to regulate businesses that profit from selling guns.

Moms Demand Action will support and work with local officials and law enforcement to appeal this ruling. Despite the forces of the DC-based gun lobby to wield influence in Illinois, we will ultimately persevere alongside community leaders who continue the struggle to reduce gun violence in Chicago.

http://momsdemandaction.org/in-the-news/moms-demand-action-deeply-disappointed-federal-judges-decision-overturning-chicagos-citywide-ban-gun-dealerships/

Whats next, James, cow tippin?

And go ahead, report this, I fully expect it; I have no fouls yet this quarter, & a few to spare, & it's worth it for telling you & your brownnosing sidekick what I really think of you two right wing creepy punks.

Temper temper. I wont report it. I'd rather have it stand so the world can see it. It says everything anyone needs to know about you. Yes, I know, anyone that disagrees with you is a "right wing creepy punk". Gee, nobody on DU has ever made that argument against someone else they disagree with, simply because they disagree with them, before.

If I were a sophomoric sort, I'd probably go around accusing others of being egomaniacs too, but then, I don't think I could go so far as to do it while supporting or defending the worlds biggest egomaniac (mike Bloomberg) and his minion moms.

My hipocracy only goes so far.

[Duckhunter935]

47. Wow, James seems a little angry

I think he really should just and relax and calm down. It is funny how they say we are the ones with anger issues.

[GGJohn]

48. Wow Mr. James.

Such anger and insults.
I truly hope you don't own firearms, it would be detrimental due to your obvious anger.

[Marengo]

49. Your emotional investment in Shannon Watts, verified liar, is...interesting.

[Duckhunter935]

33. The truth sucks I know, it must hurt

"This might not have been a ccw carrier, since he drew the gun from under his car seat (slit in upholstery I'll bet), which would've been legal without shall issue, tho loaded maybe not."

You seem to know quite a bit, or should I say just wild speculation on your part.

I know a few CCW carriers that keep their handgun under the seat in a soft case while driving.

[NaturalHigh]

34. Here's another article.

Armed Atlanta man to alleged attempted carjacker: ‘You went to bed and woke up stupid’

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-carjacker-bed-woke-stupid-article-1.2232405

I love this guy!

[GGJohn]

35. Why the hell is a 61 yo man attempting to jack a vehicle?

He should be enjoying retirement instead of committing crimes.
Guess he picked the wrong day and guy to jack a vehicle.