Americans Do Not Handle Guns In the Best Interest of a Civil Society

[GGJohn]

X-posted from the other group.

Following the Waco, TX, bike gang shootings where nine people were killed, it was only natural to bring up the issue of too many guns on the street again. It also is tragic that Americans continue to look on this kind of regularly occurring event as just normal in today's gun culture. It's not and it doesn't have to be. I have been saying this in recent years and John Traphagan of the Dallas Morning News has written a story in agreement with that point and several others I have talked about for some time. For example, he also believes that owning a gun should be tied to the universal background check and extensive training. Now is that asking too much? He continues...


"The solution to gun-related crime is not further arming the public. It involves enacting comprehensive gun control laws that prohibit many forms of gun ownership, significantly curtailing or eliminating access to and the ability to purchase guns..."


As a matter of fact, unlimited arming of the public is what has caused the crisis in the first place like Adam Lanza in Newtown, CT, who massacred 20 kids and six teachers at the Sandy Hook Elementary School using his mother's gun which was completely unsecured. It was a semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle and he also took along two handguns and a shotgun, all hers. After shooting his mother he just picked up the weapons and went out on a rampage. And this woman knew her son was acting strange for some time, like covering his windows with black trash bags.

Thanks to the National Rifle Assn., this totally irresponsible person was able to maintain a fully equipped arsenal in her home and even with a gun closet, didn't see fit to keep it locked. Yet the gun rights bunch would have us put more guns on the street in the hands of other people just like this. Their cries that it is the criminals with guns that cause the problems has become meaningless since Sandy Hook, and Aurora, Colo. and Tucson, AZ, as well as all the dumb parents who leave handguns on the coffee table so their kids can spread theirs or their siblings' brains all over the couch.

It's disgusting and no one is listening, especially the gutless U.S. Congress. Gun control advocates should take their cue from Bernie Sanders and start their own revolution.

Words fail me on how wrong this person is.

[GGJohn]

1. Too funny.

You upset the gun lovers again. Poor babies, they'll be fondling their gunz like rosaries

.

[Duckhunter935]

3. All they have is insults and the host over there

allows it, very sad.

[ileus]

11. It's always been anything goes when speaking of a fellow pro 2A liberal.

[Electric Monk]

15. What you just wrote isn't intentionally insulting to me and the Group you've been blocked from?

Hypocrite.

[clffrdjk]

16. I have never found facts insulting.

Just what about that post do you take objection to?

[GGJohn]

17. What's insulting about telling the truth?

You do allow the insults, you don't do anything to curb it, matter of fact, you join in on occasion.
People who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.

[Electric Monk]

19. As I've said before, if you think a post is over the top, take it to a jury. Hosts don't hide posts.

nt

[GGJohn]

20. Unlike you,

I don't alert, and I never said you could hide a post, I said you don't even attempt to rein in the insults in your group,
so there's nothing hypocritical about his post.

[Electric Monk]

21. I did try asking billh58 to tone it down a bit, then he quit DU entirely.

I'd rather have people like him on DU than you, so I'm not going to do that again simply to try and appease your faction, which wouldn't be happy anyway until the entire Group was gone.

[GGJohn]

22. There are others that are just as bad as he was.

So don't go accusing us of being hypocrites when your doing what you claim we're doing.

[Electric Monk]

23. I stand by post #15 in this thread. nt

[GGJohn]

24. I have no doubt you do,

which would make you the hypocrite.

[GGJohn]

25. You have one member who compares us to the klan and claims most gun owners

are racists.

I see you've hurt the feeling of the gun fanciers in the Gungeon. I was booted from their klan over
calling most gun lovers, "racists." I was right, and they prove it daily.

Yet, you stay silent about it, but you have no problem coming over here and being rude and insulting to us, so, are we to believe that, with your silence, you approve of his post?

[Duckhunter935]

26. Yes I think you are correct

Thank you

[GGJohn]

27. Heh.

I see that when he's asked a difficult question, he tends to pull a disappearing act.

[Duckhunter935]

31. Normal

I would not be surprised if he will say something in the "safe haven"

[Electric Monk]

35. Funny you should talk about "disappearing acts". I forgot to welcome you back from your timeout.

Careful there, as one more hide will put you right back in it.

[GGJohn]

36. And your guy, stone s###e, is still on a long time out, deservedly so.

And thanks for the welcome back , and I intend to be careful, but I won't back down from what I believe to be true.

[Duckhunter935]

30. Just boggles the mind

[Duckhunter935]

28. We are quite happy for you to have a goup

and unlike your members have never called for it to be removed. I think you even asked Skinner to remove this group, am I right EM?

Yes one time you did call out a poster and nicely asked him to calm it down and I gave you credit for that at the time. He got mad deleted his posts and ran away, too bad. That is the job of a host, to moderate. Everyone knows you can not hide a post but you keep saying that. You are the one that strictly enforces your SOP beyond realty and have even called fro preemptive blocks in your group and you are very proud of that fact. Facts do matter and what I posted are facts, I am sorry you take it the wrong way as that was truly not my intention.

Our host has been nice enough to allow and all but one of the posters in your group to post over here as this group DOES ALLOW ALL SIDES to the discussion. This group is not a "safe haven" like the group you host and block any views you do not like even if they are withing your groups SOP.

You have a habit of alerting on me and us over here and I fully expect this post will be alerted on. Please think about that jurors and read whet is in the alert. If he states that he was insulted as a host, you know who alerted!

[clffrdjk]

32. ah but you do ban people

And considering the bullshit you have banned people for, including posts not even in your group, anyone not banned and posting can be considered to be expressly supported by you.

[Duckhunter935]

33. Minor correction

He blocks people from that group. Same effect as now that group can post insults and we are not able to respond.

[blueridge3210]

18. Insulting?

The vast majority of posts in GCRA consist of little more than "penis jokes" and ad hominem attacks on anyone that is pro-RKBA. Anyone who posts over there that does not toe the "party line" is degraded and told they are not welcome. A simple discussion of basic principles regarding firearm noise suppressors was met with contempt and derision. You are group host and do nothing to foster civil discussion; your silence is viewed as support for this activity.

[Duckhunter935]

34. yes, silence is approval in that case

In my opinion

[Duckhunter935]

29. No, the truth is not an insult

so no, I am not a hypocrite.

Thanks and have a great night!

[Duckhunter935]

2. Not surprising

Lets just talk of the Sandy Hook tragedy.

Background checks in place and followed?
yes

Assault weapon ban in place?
Yes, all weapons used were not classified as assault weapons and were AWB compliant under the Connecticut and 94 laws.

Safe storage available and used?
Not fully sure on this as it was available and I do not know if it was locked and he knew the combination.

30 round magazines used?
Yes but they were not all empty so he did not tend to use all of the available rounds.

Did he have mental health issues?
It seems so, what could have helped is better mental health treatment.

So what laws is the poster from the other group calling for that would prevent things like this from happening? More to the point is he actually dooing something other than typeing on his keyboard and complaining?

[GGJohn]

4. And don't forget he's advertising his crappy blog on skinner's dime. eom.

[NaturalHigh]

12. Yeah. I refuse to give him any clicks on his blog.

[Duckhunter935]

14. I refuse to click also nt

[beevul]

5. Being dictated to by those that hate guns is also not "In the Best Interest of a Civil Society".

"The solution to gun-related crime is not further arming the public.

I'll be convinced that you lot care, truly care, about gun related crime, when you start demonstrating willingness and ability to differentiate between self inflicted gunshot deaths, and actual "violence against others".

Those things CLEARLY have different causes, and therefore different solutions.

When you guys start discussing the issue from that standpoint, you might actually get people to listen.

As a matter of fact, unlimited arming of the public is what has caused the crisis in the first place like Adam Lanza in Newtown, CT, who massacred 20 kids and six teachers at the Sandy Hook Elementary School using his mother's gun which was completely unsecured.

'Unlimited' you say. CT has an 'assault weapon' ban. It was in place when sandy hook happened.

How much help was it?


Beyond that, CT has some of the strictest laws in the nation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Connecticut

Hardly an example of 'unlimited', but it does beg a question:

If you see CT gun laws as 'unlimited', what do you consider 'enough' laws?

I think we know the answer - you're a gun banner.

And then you blame the nra:

Thanks to the National Rifle Assn., this totally irresponsible person was able to maintain a fully equipped arsenal in her home and even with a gun closet, didn't see fit to keep it locked.

Let me get this strait. Its the nras fault, that someone in CT which as we all know is a fairly strict gun control state, murdered his own mother and took her guns, and used them for ill purpose.

That ranks among the most ridiculous things I have ever seen written, and I've seen some real doozies from you folks.


A picture is worth a thousand words, and thusly, I close with this. It better describes this 'piece' than any words I can conjur up:

[Duckhunter935]

6. "a fully equipped arsenal"

Hell, I think I have more guns than she did. I do not have that many either.

A few handguns of differing calibers for different uses.

2 AR platforms for target shooting, one carbine length and one full length rifle I built from parts.

Several WW1 and WW2 bolt action rifles.

"unlimited", all I can say is that is a lie and

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. If unlimited arming of the populace caused Waco (how many felons were armed but not legal to be so)

then why were there fewer casualties in Waco where everybody was armed as opposed to Sandy Hook where only one person was armed?

[GGJohn]

8. Good question.

I'm quite sure that the OP will be right along to answer that.

[Hangingon]

9. Americans Do Not Handle the Internet in the Best Interests of Civil Society

NT

[GGJohn]

10. There's some truth to that. eom.

[NaturalHigh]

13. That mindless blabbering should put to rest anyone's claim that...

nobody wants to take your guns.