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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:13 PM Jan 2016

Ingenious New Non-Lethal Bullet Burns Propellant Inside the Round

A new compact, lightweight weapon will stop a target in their tracks from a hundred meters away without harming them. Nicknamed the Pogojet, it's a radical less-than-lethal design from Jeffrey Widder, senior research scientist at Battelle Memorial Institute in Ohio.

The Pogojet —whose official name is the Caseless Telescoping Less-lethal System—is unique in that the propellant burns inside the round, pushing on a piston that propels it forward. The action resembles a pogo stick, hence the name. Once the piston reaches its full extent, the exhaust gases can be vented sideways, so the round continues forward at the same speed, or directed through holes in the base of the round like rocket exhaust to give as much extra kick as required. This is the 'jet' aspect of the Pogojet, which Widder compares to the old 1960s Gyrojet rocket pistol.

It's a clever design meant to get around a pesky problem. Conventional wisdom says that the non-lethal rounds used to stun suspects need to be big, soft, and slow. Think of the bean bag rounds fired from police shotguns, the 40mm sponge grenades used by the military, and traditional "rubber bullets." Their low velocity gives them a shorter range than a thrown rock—a serious disadvantage when facing rioters.

The other challenge with less-lethal impact weapons is balancing effectiveness with safety. A round that travels slowly enough to be safe at point-blank range is ineffective at long range. Increase the muzzle velocity to knock down a target further away and the weapon becomes potentially deadly when used up close.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18812/pogojet-non-lethal-gun/
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Ingenious New Non-Lethal Bullet Burns Propellant Inside the Round (Original Post) SecularMotion Jan 2016 OP
Interesting. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #1
Indeed - nt. jonno99 Jan 2016 #2
The weapon is expressly designed for military and police operations branford Jan 2016 #3
Sounds like an update of the old "Gyrojet" carbine and pistol from the '60's DonP Jan 2016 #4
This is a riot control weapon benEzra Jan 2016 #5
when you get a stun gun that works anything like gejohnston Jan 2016 #6
 

branford

(4,462 posts)
3. The weapon is expressly designed for military and police operations
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jan 2016

requiring less-than-lethal options such as crowd control. The article states being hit be the round is similar to a bee sting. It's designed to dissuade, not stop an individual, similar to bean bag rounds. Lastly, the gun has not yet even entered serious testing, and might ultimately prove to far more dangerous or ineffective than anticipated..

In light of the above, the Pogojet appears to offer very little in the current individual gun rights / self-defense / Second Amendment political debate.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
4. Sounds like an update of the old "Gyrojet" carbine and pistol from the '60's
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jan 2016



Great idea in theory and IIRC it made its way into one James Bond movie as a prop, but the only problem was they couldn't hit anything with it.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
5. This is a riot control weapon
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:25 PM
Jan 2016

that can still kill if fired at the head instead of the torso (did you read the article?)

It's a longer-range alternative to beanbag rounds, which are also lethal if misused. Used very carefully, they can distract someone and cause a lot of pain without causing lethal injury, but it's not something that would be used in lieu of a firearm, or a taser for that matter.

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