Trump to meet with NRA about banning gun sales for terror watch list

[Eugene]

Last edited Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:32 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: Politico

Trump to meet with NRA about banning gun sales for terror watch list

By Nolan D. McCaskill and Seung Min Kim
06/15/16 10:01 AM EDT
Updated 06/15/16 10:30 AM EDT

Donald Trump will meet with the National Rifle Association to discuss preventing people on the terror watch list or no-fly list from buying guns, he announced Wednesday.

“I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns,” Trump tweeted Wednesday.

His announcement comes in the wake of the worst mass shooting in American history, during which a gunman slaughtered 49 people and injured 53 others inside an LGBT nightclub in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday.

Following November’s terrorist attacks in Paris in which 130 people died, Trump backed a Democratic-pushed measure to bar people on the watch list from purchasing guns.

“If somebody is on a watch list and an enemy of state and we know it’s an enemy of state, I would keep them away, absolutely,” Trump told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos in November.

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-nra-meeting-224362

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UPDATE #2 from Reuters:

Source: Reuters

World | Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:22pm EDT

Sales to people on terrorism watch lists should be delayed: NRA

The National Rifle Association said on Wednesday it stood by its position on terrorism watch lists and access to firearms, saying sales to potential buyers who are on the lists should be delayed while they are investigated by the FBI.

In a statement, the gun lobbying group said it welcomed a meeting with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. It also said protections needed to be put in place to allow people wrongfully put on a terrorism watch list to be removed.

(Reporting by Washington newsroom; Editing by Mohammad Zargham and Lisa Von Ahn)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-guns-nra-idUSKCN0Z123H

[gejohnston]

1. I just leave Trump with this

“[Coming] under investigation just means that somebody made an accusation. It doesn’t mean that there was any justification for that accusation. The idea that people would lose one of their rights . . . because somebody because had made the accusation against them would make the United States a very dangerous place to live.” – Former FBI agent Michael German

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/13/no-law-would-have-stopped-orlando-shooter-buying-guns/85834802/?AID=10709313&PID=6164564&SID=iph2yjm447015ahb00dth
http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20100629/our-view-editorial-keeping-6-year-old-girl-on-the-terrorist-no-fly-list-is-plainly-absurd
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/us/senator-terrorist-a-watch-list-stops-kennedy-at-airport.html
http://www.thenation.com/article/whys-retired-army-lieutenant-colonel-no-fly-list/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12284855#.V2F_wnUrJpQ
https://www.aclu.org/unlikely-suspects?redirect=technology-and-liberty/unlikely-suspects
I doubt things have improved over the past decade.
The list is one of the Bush administration's bad ideas that should be discarded.

[JonathanRackham]

2. I don't have a problem being on a no fly/no buy list.

The list should not be secret and there should be due process for implementing it. There should also be a means for getting off the list that doesn't cost an individual a penny if a mistake is made.

What happens if "John Smith" is put on said list, what about the other 93,475 John Smiths out there?

[DonP]

3. Simple solution, just open the super secret "Bush/Cheney Terrah Watch List" to due process

I'm not saying print it on the front page of the morning NY Times, but for interested parties just make due process available.

If your name appears on the list, just provide the basic due process rights you are entitled to as a citizen, to correct misspelled names, mistaken identity (a la Ted Kennedy and others) or other issues. Provide a way to get off the list and at the same time explain how you got on the list, in general terms.

If your name is on the list for good reason (FBI, NSA, CIA etc. watch list for good cause) fine, ban their ability to fly, rent a car, buy a gun, vote, et. al.

Why is that such a complex thing for people to grasp?

If you do, that cuts away any and all support the NRA and ACLU has for using the list.

Just funny how many supposed progressives suddenly love the secret list created by Bush/Cheney when it's applied to Gunz?

[Straw Man]

10. Exactly.

Due process on both ends: a clear rationale for why you're on it and clear procedures for getting off it.

Otherwise it's government by fiat and secret denunciation. Is that what we want?

[jmg257]

4. Interesting considering the timing of NRA new "delay" stance...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027918532

[applegrove]

5. So the NRA is more than capable of entertaining the thought. They just chose to oppose it after San

Bernadino. This gives Trump a win. Some much needed gravitas to his air balloon like campaign. Kinda like when George W. Bush was given his own baseball team.

[sarisataka]

6. Does this mean DU

will be against these lists again?

[Oneka]

8. DU

should have never wandered away from being against this list in it's entirety!

Shows you how hypocrytical we can be when the issue is GUNZ!!!!

Our nation was founded in large part on the notion that "innocent until proven guilty" was inviolable. The fact that anyone here supports this list, which destroys that notion, for any reason at all makes me sick.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. I personally think Trump should be on some of those lists

[Eleanors38]

9. Strange bedfellows, here on DU.

[shadowrider]

11. To me, lists to determine who does, and who does not, have rights, is frightening

Schindler comes to mind.

[gejohnston]

12. correction to Reuters

We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA’s position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/johannes-paulsen/nra-endorses-no-fly-no-buy-gun-sales-delay/