About those "weapons of war"...

[beevul]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all semi-automatic weapons which are based on fully automatic/burst design, required by law to be designed substantially different than the actual weapons of war themselves, so that they can not be easily converted to fire full auto/burst?

Designed specifically for the civilian market, in other words?

Doesn't that show as false, the 'weapons of war' talking point, and the 'easily converted' talking point, and the 'designed to hunt humans/take lives quickly/etc' arguments?


Discuss.

[scscholar]

1. If you can convert something to full-auto just by filing down the firing pin...

then that isn't enough of a difference to matter.

[Just reading posts]

2. What guns can be converted in that manner? Specifics, please.

[Straw Man]

3. Except that you can't.

A conversion is much more complicated than that, and in any case, it's illegal.

[sarisataka]

5. substantially

def: to a large degree:
Serious crime is down substantially.
(Definition of substantially from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)

If something can be changed with a file and a few minutes, that would not be substantial.

[Press Virginia]

6. You'd be right if it could be done. Pre-ban weapons all you needed was a drop in sear pin

since 1994 the lowers have been produced so you can't do that.

[oneshooter]

12. I believe that it is closer to 1975. n/t

[Press Virginia]

14. Nope. Father in law has a pre-ban and a drop in

he bought it right after the bill passed

And it's patterned after the A2 which was in service in the late 80's and early 90's

[oneshooter]

36. I have three A1's from 1968 that I inhereted from my Dad.

After he died I was visited by the ATF. Seems that they had been going over some older Colt records looking for the owners of early AR's. The early Colts were all made on one production line, receivers for semi autos were simply pulled from the full auto line and had a semi FCG installed. Full auto BCG were used.
Since they were built before the law changed I was permitted to register them and get tax stamps.
So now I have three semi auto/full autos. They are, at this time, safe queens.

[Duckhunter935]

9. File the firing pin, lol

Bet you read that on the internet

[scscholar]

11. I also heard that from someone that fought in Viet Nam and in Grenada

He would know.

[Press Virginia]

15. Evidently he doesn't know what makes the bang stick

go bang

[Duckhunter935]

17. that is a nice story

do you know what a firing pin does?

[scscholar]

18. There's over 200,000 results on Google for...

"auto filing down the firing pin" It obviously does something.

[Duckhunter935]

19. Post one that says it works with proof, lol

Go ahead, file one down and have your doorstep.

[scscholar]

20. So you're claiming over 200,000 results are wrong

Go any evidence to prove your side?

[Duckhunter935]

21. 200,000 is a lot of posts confirming it will not work.

200,000 posts saying that filing down a firing pin is idiotic and will never work except to make a weapon misfire or more likely not fire at all.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

24. I read a few

You can also find some with the key words "sarcastic" and "joke" along with ideas like load the bullets in the magazine backwards and use wd40 to make them extra fast.

[Just reading posts]

26. I heard spraying teflon on the bullets makes them armor piercing!

[Press Virginia]

28. If you dip the tips in hot sauce

The target will burst into flames

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. I'm just glad I'm not reading this while drinking

[Press Virginia]

27. Just find one. With 200,000 leads it should be easy

[Straw Man]

35. Wrong results.

So you're claiming over 200,000 results are wrong

Go any evidence to prove your side?

I got 726,000 hits on "Donald Trump is a woman." Can they all be wrong?

[DonP]

38. This is why no one takes gun control people seriously

Your "font of knowledge" on firearms is a quick Google search with no discretionary screening.

Google "Dragons" or "Faeries" and you'll also get a few hundred thousand people claiming they exist today.

Your "friend of a friend's" story is pure BS. The firing pin in an AR15 is a free floating alloy pin that rides in the bolt and bolt carrier and relies on the Fire Control Group for it's action, e.g. single shot, burst or full auto.

(Pssst, many of the the people in this group are real former military with combat MOS designations. So think before you try and pull the "I know a military expert" card)

By simple design and physics, anything you do to the firing pin has no effect on the type or rate of fire. That comes from the fire control group.

All "filing" can do is make it too short to strike the primer, soooo no bang at all.

[Puha Ekapi]

41. Well, to be honest...

...filing down the firing pin could definitely have an effect on rate of fire, from one round every pull of the trigger to ZERO rounds every pull.

[Puha Ekapi]

39. Yup

You aren't going to do jack squat by filing the firing pin except to make your firearm non-functional.

[Eleanors38]

44. "Phony Beatlemania:" Promo guy buys 10 records/shop resulting in a "HIT!"

[RME_SFC]

45. I filed down my firing pen.

I can write really fast with it now. Someone told me that I didn't have a "pen" that it was actually a pencil... which explained why it ignited rather than melted... and the filing at the end made it easier to write with.

[Just reading posts]

22. I just Googled "how to cast real magic spells that work". There were over 600,000 results.

It obviously does something....time to break out my old 1st Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook!

How long do you think it will take me to get to 18th level so I can cast 9th level spells?

[Duckhunter935]

23. Google fake gun stories, lol

About 985,000 results.

[LongtimeAZDem]

37. There's over 217,000 results on Google for "moon landing was faked"

I guess that proves it.

[Eleanors38]

43. Pre-Inet, but: Millions of Texas boys sez you can pick up a girl with a 6-pack of Lone Star.

Really. The hydraulics is amazin'.

[sarisataka]

33. Was he a

Submarine tail gunner?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. That was a hoot

[catnhatnh]

13. If you file down the firing pin...

you convert it into a non-working wall hanging. Please don't pretend to knowledge you lack....

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. Incorrect....

...the interwebs tell me that it morphs into a gun-shaped doorstop.




ETA: Look down........ See.......

[TeddyR]

31. Please identify any example

Of someone filing down a firing pin to convert a weapon to full auto and committing a crime with that weapon in the US. Otherwise this is a theoretical argument.

[DustyJoe]

4. firing pin ?

You file that down and you have created a gun shaped door stop

[Press Virginia]

7. Shhhh! Gun grabbers are telling us about guns

[Duckhunter935]

10. Yes, they are so proud of that knowledge

[Duckhunter935]

8. Yes

My bolt action rifles are more a weapon of war than my AR-15 pattern rifles.

[Just reading posts]

16. Exactly right. This is a weapon of war:

This is not:

[shadowrider]

42. The one on the bottom scary.

Take it away.

[ManiacJoe]

32. Exactly right.

If the gun can be "easily converted" to full-auto, it cannot be marketed in the USA.

[benEzra]

40. If a gun is easily converted to full auto, it is considered a machinegun under Federal law

even if not actually converted. That's why there are no civilian semiautos that fire from an open bolt.

The civilian AK, civilian AR-15, etc. do indeed have internal differences from the restricted military/government select-fire models that make them as difficult to convert as any other civilian semiauto.