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Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:35 PM Jul 2017

Federal agent in Tucson gun-smuggling case: Every family member had a .50 cal

By Curt Prendergast Arizona Daily Star Jul 8, 2017 Updated 1 hr ago


A foiled gun-smuggling attempt in Nogales, Arizona, and a daring raid at an airstrip in Sinaloa, Mexico, led U.S. authorities to a gun shop on Tucson’s northwest side.

Along the way, federal agents encountered rifles powerful enough to take down a helicopter, two phony home invasions, dozens of fraudulent gun sale records, and a former Tucson police officer accused of stealing the identities of people he arrested as part of a scheme to smuggle guns across the border.

Joe Santiago Valles, a Tucson police officer from 2012 to 2014, was sentenced July 6 in U.S. District Court in Tucson to 6½ years in federal prison after pleading guilty to 30 counts of falsifying federal firearm records, identity theft and witness tampering. The prosecution of alleged co-conspirator Timothy Veninga, who was a federally licensed firearms dealer, is ongoing.

The investigation of Valles, 34, and Veninga, 48, began in March 2016 when U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers in Nogales caught a man trying to smuggle a Kel-Tec PMR-30 pistol into Mexico, according to court documents and testimony at the July 6 sentencing hearing.

More:
http://tucson.com/news/local/agent-every-family-member-had-a-cal-in-smuggling-scheme/article_adbb32f9-11d6-5693-9702-e6b876b5c2e2.html

Out of curiosity, looked for a photo of a .50 cal:



Wierd!

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Federal agent in Tucson gun-smuggling case: Every family member had a .50 cal (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2017 OP
Just the tip of the Berg. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #1
He was just running his own Fast & Furious deal. n/t yagotme Jul 2017 #5
Never knew if the stories were fact or ficton. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #6
Which stories? yagotme Jul 2017 #7
Stories about Law Enforcements Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #8
You can find that up north, as well... yagotme Jul 2017 #10
Rural Wisconsin in the Forties and Fifties as well. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #11
Good for law enforcement Hangingon Jul 2017 #2
Good work guys... ileus Jul 2017 #3
a Kel-Tec PMR-30 gejohnston Jul 2017 #4
A good bust but illustrates the problem sarisataka Jul 2017 #9
And to top off all that... yagotme Jul 2017 #13
Nice - besides the .50, the recovered 4 Ak-47s...not sure if full auto, but at least they busted the jmg257 Jul 2017 #12
Love the "take down a helicopter" part. ManiacJoe Jul 2017 #14
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Never knew if the stories were fact or ficton.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 05:43 PM
Jul 2017

Knowing how Southern Politics usually work,the taint and smell seems never to go away.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Stories about Law Enforcements
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:10 PM
Jul 2017

blind eye approach to certain people of so called standing,and their questionable activities.

yagotme

(2,911 posts)
10. You can find that up north, as well...
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:32 PM
Jul 2017

like Chicago. Enforcement of laws is pretty much "who pays, plays".

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. a Kel-Tec PMR-30
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jul 2017

you would think the cartels would go for quality. They can make their own guns that are better than those.

As for the .50s, the rifles were developed for long range target shooting before they were adopted by the military.
Per capita, it seems to be more popular, and more ranges, in the UK than the US.
http://www.fcsa.org/wwwroot/visitors/ranges.php
http://www.fcsa.co.uk/

As for "being able to take down a helicopter", grandpa's deer rifle can do that. It is just a matter of placement, assuming they can hit it. When journalists can't get simple facts that can be easily looked up right, I have to wonder what else they get wrong. It seems to be a profession that attracts the incurious, intellectually lazy, and the stupid.

sarisataka

(18,482 posts)
9. A good bust but illustrates the problem
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:15 PM
Jul 2017

of controlling illegal firearm sales, specifically issues with prosecution.

Putting false information of an ATF form 4473 can result in a ten year prison term. The former cop plead guilty to doing so 30 times so his 6 1/2 year sentence adds up to two months per offence. He basically gets nothing for identity theft and witness tampering.

There is little deterrent to those wanting to illegally sell firearms when they know they can get off with a slap on the wrist...

yagotme

(2,911 posts)
13. And to top off all that...
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:53 PM
Jul 2017

there are those that call for MORE legislation. Let's enforce what's there now. Lock up these guys like this for a long time, that will be a deterrent to others more than adding another scofflaw or ten.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
12. Nice - besides the .50, the recovered 4 Ak-47s...not sure if full auto, but at least they busted the
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jul 2017

scumbags.

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