why aren't gun control advocates calling out vigilantes?

[gejohnston]

In the past, they have accused people, like Robert Ells for example, of defending themselves as "vigilantes" and looking to be "judge, jury, and executioner"?
Yet they are silent when Spike Lee (who apologized only for getting the address wrong) and Rosanne Barr become the dictionary definition of vigilantes.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/roseanne-barr-zimmerman-tweets-893416
http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/30/10940735-roseanne-barr-tweets-george-zimmermans-parents-correct-address

vig·i·lan·te
   [vij-uh-lan-tee] Show IPA
noun
1.a member of a vigilance committee.
2.any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime.
adjective
3.done violently and summarily, without recourse to lawful procedures: vigilante justice.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vigilante

To be clear, I am not defending Zimmerman or his actions. I am simply deafened by the silence.

[Lionessa]

1. I actually have seen some pushback against both

Zimmerman acting the vigilante and the other two suggesting it, and even compared to Beck and Limbaugh in that regard.

Who says we're not? Certainly haven't heard anyone saying it's a good thing or cheering it at all, have you?

[gejohnston]

2. I have not seen it

Maybe I have to go hang out in GD more often. No, I have not seen anyone cheering.
Comparing them to Beck and Limbaugh is a little harsh.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Some of us are trying not to pass judgment.

I would think more would have learned that by now, given how much the publicly available evidence has changed since day 3 even.

I will wait for, and embrace a jury decision.

[Callisto32]

3. Shhhhhhhhhh!

[petronius]

4. I don't know that they're not, but it isn't really a firearms issue: nobody

would say "as a gun control advocate, I condemn Lee's action!" any more than you or I'd say it "as a RKBA supporter." And if someone did start a thread criticizing Lee or Barr, it would be off topic for this Group anyway.

More generally though, it's not meaningful if someone doesn't comment on something, even if they have in the past commented on something similar or related. It doesn't invalidate one position to skip a different discussion. Another example would be the posts we get in here about a firearm related crime: after some posters discuss the policy implications, someone else comes along and complains that no one expressed sympathy for the victim - snarky fun, but ultimately pointless...

[rl6214]

5. "why aren't gun control advocates calling out vigilantes?"

Because most gun control zealots are hypocrites?

YUP, that's the ticket, they're all hypocrites.

[ileus]

7. I think it's because most would just kinda giggle if Zman was taken out.

It would be a win if he was taken out, it would also be a win with another illegal use of a gun.

Win Win...

[noluv4hyps]

8. Gun Control is the American Way

Nobody should have a gun except police or military. Anyone who has a gun should go to jail. Period. Except Rosie O' Donnell's bodyguard of course. But she has had threats made against her so that makes it ok. Anyone else is just using that as an excuse to murder people. It is not the people that control the guns, but the guns that control the people. I am all for requiring child safety locks, because I just have a very difficult time believing that there are criminals out there so sinister that they would not at least give you a few minutes to remove the child safety lock before they try to assault you or your family in your home.

I also think that magazines holding more than 10 rounds are the only reason Jared Loughner was able to shoot so many people so quickly. Because it clearly would have taken a substantial amount more time for him to burn through three 10 round magazines. He would have had to push a button! Then grab a magazine and push it into the gun! This would have taken at minimum, 1 whole second. Plenty of time for the police to arrive and make sure everything was OK.

That's another thing.

Why do we need guns when we have the police to protect us? This whole thing about the police showing up after the fact, after the damage is already done, is BS and everyone knows it. I don't know about you, but in my town, when a crime is about to occur, the police ALWAYS show up, almost out of nowhere, to prevent the violent crime from occurring. The thing is there is no violent crime because Superman is here. He always saves the day so to suggest that an American should have the right to own a GUN (I shiver at the very sound of the word), is completely insane!

And as for Stand Your Ground, the law that says that an armed citizen (which is a concept beyond me to begin with), should be absolved of the duty to retreat, is the reason so many self defense deaths have been occurring. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that honest people are getting fed up with being victims and are starting to fight back. This whole BS lie about criminals robbing citizens at gunpoint, is a lie, and anyone who says that happened to them must be lying. And if someone pulls a gun on you, you should do the right thing, the American thing, and that is to RUN. To suggest that a person can not outrun a bullet from an armed assailant is horse ****. I just don't see the logic in giving someone the right to defend themselves when their life is in danger.

If people would just accept the fact that this country is owned by criminals, and that it is only right to GIVE them our money, instead of FORCING them to rob us, or FORCING them to kidnap and rape women, as opposed to voluntarily offering themselves to criminals, we would not have these types of problems to begin with. The problem is not the criminals. They just want some money or to hurt someone, and that is their right. If we would just let them do it, they could get what they want, and in most cases, the honest citizen WOULD live. It is only right to just hope that they won't kill you, rather than to perpetrate the sinister act of "self defense", buy allowing a gun to force you to pull its trigger. Guns are just bad. They are not machines that are controlled by humans, but it is the other way around. It is so obvious it is painful.

As for the Fast and Furious operation, if people would stop focusing on the facts that DOJ and ATF caused the deaths of more than 200 people in Mexico, as well as 2 US agents, and start focusing on the real issue that people can buy guns in America, the drug war in Mexico would cease. Plus, it just makes perfect sense to strip Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights, because it could possibly cut down on crime in a foreign country.

The NRA is always making gangster rap albums that suggest people should do drive by shootings and it needs to stop. They are the ones with their pants sagging off their a**es, covered in tattoos and glorifying violence, and it is their fault that all these self defense deaths are occurring in our nation. It is just not right that an armed criminal can not go out on his or her nightly shift without having to worry about being shot by a CCL holding armed citizen, or a homeowner with a GUN!

[ellisonz]

9. Oh look it's a new one...

[DanTex]

13. Poof! And so quickly! Seemed to fit right in here, was making friends and everything!

[ellisonz]

14. The funny thing is that except for the last paragraph...

...(an argument that is made indirectly here), those are all favored arguments of many of our more "severely conservative" gun nuts.

[aikoaiko]

15. It shouldn't seem so funny to you since you and others "echo"...

...the same verbiage of those on "fringe left" who frequented the our little forum who have been tombstoned or PPRed.

[iverglas]

16. you mean like ... Joe Steel?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x245448#245836



Then there was Uncle Whosit ...

Of course, if you're trying to pretend that anyone but a poseur provocateur has ever said such things ... well, that just wouldn't be quite true, would it?

[aikoaiko]

17. No, I'm thinking Bill Buckhead or MrBenchley in nature.

And what's his name who talked about gun owners being hidden criminals. I think he expired. maybe not.

[iverglas]

18. then you're not thinking straight

But then you know that.

[aikoaiko]

21. Looks like the 3rd person is still active -- just missing in action very abruptly lol

[gejohnston]

19. mikeb302000

he has not been around for awhile, but his account is still active. Just went to his blog an saw this interesting mailbox.

[mvccd1000]

20. I'm sure he appreciates the traffic

Since he used to work so hard here to get people to visit his blog.

[GreenStormCloud]

10. Welcome Aboard. N/T

[obxhead]

12. Welcome to DU!

Enjoy your stay.