The NRA's Dark Gun Culture

[SecularMotion]

The United States has emerged to become the most violent nation on earth where millions are equipped with lethal weapons to massacre brutally as many people as they wish. In spite of its military might, the US government cannot do anything about it since it functions under the ruthless thumb of the National Rifle Association (NRA) whose sole objective is to boost by all means the business of the weapons’ industry.

You might think Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of and spokesman for the mighty American gun lobby, The National Rifle Association, has an almost cosmic sense of timing. In 2007, at the NRA’s annual convention in St. Louis, he warned the crowd that, "Today, there is not one firearm owner whose freedom is secure."

Two days later, a young man opened fire on the campus of Virginia Tech, killing 32 students, staff and teachers. Just last week LaPierre showed up at the United Nations Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty here in New York and spoke out against what he called "Anti-freedom policies that disregard American citizens' right to self-defense."

Now at least 12 are dead in Aurora, Colorado, gunned down by a mad man at a showing of the new Batman movie filled with make-believe violence. One of the guns the shooter used was an AK-47-type assault weapon that was banned in 1994. The National Rifle Association saw to it that the ban expired in 2004. The NRA is the best friend a killer's instinct ever had.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20Editorials/2012/July/23%20o/The%20NRA%27s%20Dark%20Gun%20Culture%20By%20Bill%20Moyers.htm

[Missycim]

1. Do you have

anything to add or just a drive by?

[SecularMotion]

2. You sound like another pro-gunner who was recently banned

Why do pro-gunners like to use terms for gun violence like "drive by"?

[Missycim]

5. Drive by

is a common term for people who just post a article or some such just to illicit a response and never add anything to the discussion they've created.

[SecularMotion]

9. There you go again sounding like that banned pro-gunner

I wish I could recall that user name, it's just that so many pro-gunners have been banned recently that it's hard to keep track of them all.

[Missycim]

10. wow thanks for casting

aspersions on me, you sound llike the many pro-control people i have run into in this forum but you dont see me complaining about it.

[ellisonz]

33. That's actually

casting asparagus - not aspersion - get your internet memes proper.

[rDigital]

31. That's a very poor straw man you are using as a text based bludgeon. nt

[Remmah2]

6. Some words just irritate some people.

We can all learn to deal with it. The best way to overcome political correctness is to mature.

As I tell my kids, you can stay offended or get over it. Life is too short and important to let words offend us.

[SecularMotion]

7. Who said anything about being irritated or offended?

Just pointing out the fact that pro-gunners tend to use phrases associated with gun violence like "drive by" and " taken out and shot". Other groups, such as, sports fans tend to use sport-related phrases.

[Remmah2]

12. Is it any different than the media made up phrases?

Who gets to pick and choose what's politically correct and what's not?

[HALO141]

25. "Who gets to choose..."

Evidence is that it is whoever can feign the greatest indignation.

[rrneck]

14. How's "cheap shot" grab you? nt

[MicaelS]

18. Because you engage in "drive by" postings, that's why.

That's the hallmark of the OPs you do here in this Group. I count 16 Original Posts of yours on page 1 of this forum at this time (10:25am CDT 08/08). In not one those OPs do you do anything but post a link and the four paragraph limit of copy / paste. No comment whatsoever. In other websites / forums what you do would be called spamming.

[SecularMotion]

35. You're not being forced to read the posts.

No one's holding a gun to your head.

[slackmaster]

3. Writers who abuse hyperbole deserve to be taken out and shot.

The United States has emerged to become the most violent nation on earth...

No, it hasn't.

[SQUEE]

4. nice..

I see what you did there....
At least I hope it was meant that way.

[Remmah2]

8. I love how statistics are omitted and cooked to warp history.

How too often criminal statistics omit crimes by governments. Some people do not see genocide as murder. Some think murder by government is not really murder.

Some people's minds are like baby birds only taking in what's regurgitated. Then they continue on to life as part of the flock.

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[ileus]

16. kinda reminds me of another lethal poster we have.

Danger danger blood guts and gore death spewers and hurtful pokers.....oh the humanity!

[ileus]

11. and now for an objective anti gun piece.

Scary NRA.......BOO!

[Remmah2]

13. The list of former presidents who were members is very interesting. nt

nt

[hack89]

15. "In spite of its military might, the US government cannot do anything about it"

it is shocking how authoritarian so many gun control advocates are. "Let's fix this problem by using the military on the US people."

[ileus]

17. they come from a society where the people get crushed

By governments and just can't comprehend why our leaders don't use their power to take/get/enforce what they want.

Freedom isn't in their vocabulary...and some here would promote the actions against firearm owners.

[4th law of robotics]

20. Says a lot about their mindset

that they would probably prefer not to be well known.

But what can you expect from people who start their argument with some variation of "if it weren't for that damned constitution . . . "

[MicaelS]

22. The amusing thing about those Gun Prohibitionists who advocate..

Turning the US Military loose on the US people, is

(a) Do they really think the US Military would turn on it's own families, friends and neighbors?

(B) They fail to realize that they, the Gun Prohibitionists, are the US People, too.

If the military does it once, they could do it again. But Authoritarians never seems to realize that their military's guns could turned on them.

[Reasonable_Argument]

24. That's really the crux of it

Everyone is more or less ok "now" so it's "insane" to think things could ever get bad here. My fellow lefties need to remember all power corrupts and while we support the government being the best solution for many problems it ALWAYS must be kept in check by the people. "Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."

[MicaelS]

26. Two words "Kent State" n/t

[4th law of robotics]

19. The NRA has sway only in the US

mass shootings are not limited to only the US (Does the name Breivik ring any bells?).

Ergo the NRA must be solely responsible for mass shootings.

The logic is rock-solid!

[gejohnston]

21. opinion pieces are just that

poorly researched and poorly written opinion pieces are full of shit.

We are after all a country which began with the forced subjugation into slavery of millions of Africans and the reliance on arms against Native Americans for its Westward expansion. In truth, more settlers traveling the Oregon Trail died from accidental, self-inflicted gunshots wounds than Indian attacks - we were not only bloodthirsty but also inept.

Indian attacks against wagon trains only happened in the movies, so one accidental shooting would out number the number of people killed in Indian attacks.

Then there is this classic

There's a video of which I'd like to remind you. You can see it on YouTube. In it, Adam Gadahn, an American born member of al Qaeda, the first U.S. citizen charged with treason since 1952, urges terrorists to carry out attacks on the United States. Right before your eyes he says: "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely, without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

Yeah, you can really go buy machine guns at gun shows, NOT. I remember this one being copied and pasted on different blogs.

[DonP]

23. The Adam Gadahn video is "useful information" - the FBI UCR is nothing but "NRA Talking Points"

It seems that the latest meme is that any real information, data or facts that don't agree with the gun control fans are all "NRA Talking Points".

So they have no problem buying into an al Qaeda video, or unconstitutional Bloomberg, Rahm or Scott Walker restriction on guns as a good thing, but treat the CDC and FBI reports as obvious NRA propaganda.

Thankfully they are still too lazy to get off the couch and actually do anything but cut and paste their righteous poutrage here and there. So we can observe them ranting and raving with confidence that they will accomplish ... not a damn thing, in spite of their threat that "this time it's different"!

[Reasonable_Argument]

28. I think the problem is

They're so used to being correct on so many other issues that they simple don't accept that they're wrong on this one. It's fear that drives them and they use the republican tactic of trying to turn that fact on those they oppose whom they call cowards. The renewed calls for gun control will fade in a week after having been shouted down by people like us on forums and the electorate at large in elections. They just can't accept that people have a different world view that actually works and refuse to accept that they're on the wrong side of history for this particular issue.

[SlimJimmy]

29. That's a great idea, I think I'll run down to my local gun show and pick up an M249 or M60.

That will keep the kids off my lawn.

Yeah, you can really go buy machine guns at gun shows, NOT. I remember this one being copied and pasted on different blogs.

[MicaelS]

30. Jeez you think small..

I see M134 Miniguns and Mk 19 grenade launchers for sale at Gun Shows all the time.

[SlimJimmy]

32. You're right. I'm thinking I could get the M203 conversion kit for my .40 cal.

[Equate]

27. That article is full of so much easily proven fail.

I sat here reading it and shaking my head in wonder that anyone with half a brain would believe it.
But then I wised up.

[rl6214]

34. And your point is?

surely you must have a point.

[rDigital]

36. OP is crop dusting

he/she just wants everyone to chase their tails while he/she readies the next drive-by document spamming thread.

[DonP]

37. The OP's Google Fu is getting weaker

The Google dumps are less and less relevant and aren't drawing much if any support from the grabber types.

I think he/she just likes seeing their "name in lights" like many others before them, then the novelty wears off and they get tired of having their ass handed to them in every discussion and go away to whine in Meta or elsewhere.

[EX500rider]

38. "The United States has emerged to become the most violent nation on earth ..."

Wow, more violent then Mexico, Pakistan, the Congo, South Africa, Somalia, Yemen, Venezuela, Honduras, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Colombia, or the Sudan?

Major fail.

[Jenoch]

39. "The United States has emerged to become the most violent nation on earth..."

I believe the people of Somalia and Sudan would have a differing opinion.

[gejohnston]

40. not to mention

Jamaica, Russia, Belize, Mexico, Columbia, Thailand, Philippines, Brazil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate