Arms and the Duck

[SecularMotion]

We had a shooting near the Empire State Building. An aggrieved ex-employee of an apparel company killed his former co-worker, and was himself killed by police. Except for the famous-landmark location, it was not actually a very big story. Remember the mass shooting at the lumberyard in North Carolina earlier this year, or the one last October at the California cement plant? No? Neither does anybody else except the grieving families.

Nine passers-by were also wounded, and it seems almost certain that some or all were accidentally hit by the police. This isn’t surprising; it’s only in movies that people are good shots during a violent encounter. In 2008, Al Baker reported in The Times that the accuracy rate for New York City officers firing in the line of duty was 34 percent.

And these are people trained for this kind of crisis. The moral is that if a lunatic starts shooting, you will not be made safer if your fellow average citizens are carrying concealed weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/collins-arms-and-the-duck.html?_r=1&hp

[Clames]

1. Slow day again Secular?

Guess they don't factor in the idiotic 12# triggers as a reason why NYC police are such piss poor shots.

[shadowrider]

2. * Yawn *

[DanTex]

3. Exactly. The fantasies about shooting down bad guys are just that.

In high stress situations, even trained police officers only have a 34% hit rate. Of course, every gun nut and his cousin Bubba thinks they are better trained that professional police officers, but the reality is that the last thing you want is some concealed carry yahoo deciding to play hero on the crowded streets of New York.

[shadowrider]

4. What would you have said if a concealed carry yahoo would have pulled out his weapon

and shot 9 innocent bystanders?

Police get a pass. What about it?

[Clames]

6. NYC police officers have that hit rate.

And that 34% includes ALL shootings including against animals and in suicides where the NYC police are involved. Many LE agencies post far better numbers where they are using weapons without unneeded modification and have better training. Upwards of 60%+ first shot hit rates. Get your facts straight Danny, you've had plenty of time.

[rl6214]

7. Of course the fact that they never practice with their shitty Glocks has nothing to do with it.

"Of course, every gun nut and his cousin Bubba thinks they are better trained that professional police officers"

Better trained in handling firearms? You betcha.

[rl6214]

5. Glad to see in your daily google dump that you are posting what morons the NYPD are

They all need to re-qualify with their firearms, only thing is they'd have to go to a gun friendly state to get enough practice. That was your point, right? Not making any comment yourself that is all anyone can assume.