Video of the recent NYC shooting

[GreenStormCloud]

There is no excuse for the kind of missing that the NYC cops did. That if fairly close range. One cop looks like he is only about 3 yards away, the other is backing up as he shoots. I can, and have, posted videos of CCWer shooting at similar distances and hitting only the bad guy.

[AtheistCrusader]

1. Looks like a suicide by cop to me.

[rDigital]

2. Textbook suicide by cop. nt

[virginia mountainman]

3. The mass shooting was ...

perpetrated by the Police, the suspect, committed nothing more than A premeditated murder...

It appears that the general public had far less to fear from him than the Police.

I seriously think, that in many states, with THAT shower of bullets coming from the Police guns into the crowd of totally innocent bystanders, if someone could have shot back in pure self defense.....and got away with it.

Now, let me ad, that from what I see in the video that he draw down on the Police, and it was a "clean shoot" for them in that respect, but their weapon handling is extremely poor, and to be a cop and be such a poor shot, is inexcusable. I realize it was a stressful situation, but 9 bystanders hurt by Police gun fire?? 10 shots to stop a threat in the open, and almost at point blank range??? The murderer, showed better gun handing skills when he only need two rounds to commit HIS crime.

I think a large part of the reason for the NYPD's poor showing when they are forced to draw their weapons in the line of duty, is part of the "Anti-gun" culture. Guns are so hated, that any effort to become "proficient" or "expert" with a gun, is frowned upon, after all it is just a "killing machine" and ONLY criminals and crazy people enjoy shooting. Not to mention participation in any shooting sports, which would translate to better skill.

For example, the IDPA... Where you would compete with skills that would be very helpful for a police officer to have.



And here is a 15 year old girl, Tori Nonaka

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If you are going to carry a gun, you should at least know how to use it reasonably well.

[GreenStormCloud]

4. I had never consider that skill with a pistol might be socially discouraged.

You may have a point.

[virginia mountainman]

6. Yep, folks never considered it...

Because "outside centers of gun control" I.E. NYC and surrounding area, Chicago, Coastal California.. Skills with firearms is almost the norm, if not norm, appreciated. By a large majority of the population.

This is not the case in "gun control" areas, where they like to view people that enjoy firearms as "part of the problem", not fully realizing just how the "rest of the US" views them.

We see evidence of that every day here on DU.

Think about it, how would a post, from a father, showing their kid, handling and firing a semi automatic, large caliber pistol, in a expert manner go over in GD or the Lounge??

Yes, their would be lots of supporting posts from people that "get it" but their would be LOTS of talk about"the next school shooter" , and "why would you train someone to kill" and "people wanting to put the kid in foster care because she is being abused", and other moronic statements of that caliber.

Those above statements would come naturally to most advocates of gun control, that view the OBJECT as the problem rather than the behavior. They completely lack the ability to separate the OBJECT from the behavior.

This is why they like to "pigeonhole' gun folks all together criminal, collector, hunter, and someone with a gun for self defense. The hardcore gun control supporter sees absolutely NO difference in those people.

You can see this just by reading their posts here. Especially when they rant about someone with a clean record, going off the deep end and pulling off a high profile shooting.

This should clarify that line of thinking... Most people view a;

Gun owner "as a" Gun owner

They see.....

Gun owner "as a" Potential criminal

[ManiacJoe]

5. The girl has skills.

Plus, you gotta love that pink Glock.

[Atypical Liberal]

8. Don't you know that this sport shooter just secretly wishes she was really killing people?

[Fred678]

7. I don't think

that young lady will be a victim.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. That's pretty poor shooting all around... especially for someone whose a "professional"

I am by no means a professional. Whenever I enter a local IDPA or IPSC/USPSA match (which is entirely recreational for me) I place somewhere in the middle of out local pack. That being said, at the distances those cops are shooting I know I can empty even a stout 10mm or .357 magnum into a silhouette target as fast as I can pull the trigger. And shooting something lighter/weaker like a police-issue 9mm or 40cal ... I wouldn't be able to pull the trigger fast enough while staying on target. In fact, many average shooters at our local competitions go entire rounds without completely missing one of several targets.

Honestly, If I was a cop and missed a bad guy 3 yards away (let alone end up shooting someone else because I was stupid enough to shoot in an unsafe direction)... I would quit. And I'm just an average recreational shooter without even formal or basic marksmanship/firearm training!

[ManiacJoe]

10. Professional != expert.

"Professional" just means they are getting paid to do the job.

But, yes, the marksmanship skills of your average cop are very lacking.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

11. At the very least, professional should mean "competent"

Imagine a doctor, dentist, or lawyer (or other publicly esteemed "professional&quot performing so poorly in their line of work... it would mean malpractice, disbarment, etc...

And to think, there a fair number of people out there that think only cops should be allowed to carry a gun to protect themselves and/or others.

[ManiacJoe]

12. It should include that meaning, but it does not.

Lots of folks think it does though.