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MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 12:57 PM Jan 2012

Why it's a bad idea to bring a knife to a gunfight

Good Samaritan shot trying to thwart robbery

LOS ANGELES -- Jorge Alvarado, a Good Samaritan shot in the back of the head while trying to stop a robbery in Lynwood, is clinging to life, relatives said Monday.

Rojas, 39, spoke to NBC LA in his native Spanish language. He said he took a knife he had been using to cut food and stabbed the suspect in the neck, dodging a bullet in the process.

The alleged gunman kept firing even with the knife blade stuck in his neck, Rojas said. One of the bullets hit Alvarado in the back of the head. Rojas said his right hand was injured by glass that shattered from one of three gun shots. The suspect then fled in a white vehicle waiting for him in the alley behind the store, Rojas said.

Five years ago, both Rojas and Alvarado attempted to foil a robbery at the same store. In that case, Rojas suffered only minor injuries, he said.


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The shooter and his two accomplices are being charged with murder since Alvarado is not expected to survive.
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SteveW

(754 posts)
1. "...foiled a robbery at the same store:" When on notice, take different precautions...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jan 2012

...they WILL be back.

Hopefully, the "system" will put the thugs in a warehouse.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
3. He chose option 3: Engage in a physical contest of strength with his attacker.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:35 PM
Jan 2012

When presented with a violent attacker, and you have no firearm, you are limited to three choices:

1) Flee, if you are fast enough.

2) Submit to your attacker's demands, if you are tough enough to survive it.

3) Engage in a physical contest of strength with your attacker, if you are strong enough.

Mr. Alvarado tried option #3 against a criminal armed with a gun. Sadly, it ended as one would expect.

 

E6-B

(153 posts)
9. It could have been much worse....
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 12:34 AM
Jan 2012

According to anti-gunners it could have been much worse. There could have been a dead criminal too. Think of the horor and agony of a dead criminal. One more dead human <criminal> is too much to a price for society to pay, or so the saying goes.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
4. After "a female cashier" ran to next door,
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012

the two men went back to the store to confront the robbers.

Was there a second cashier that needed rescuing, or was it just a matter of bad tactics? (I cannot tell from the poor reporting.)

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
5. The female cashier was the sister in law of Rojas.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jan 2012

And so good old fashioned machismo was at work.

During the alleged robbery, a female cashier ran next door to a restaurant where her brother-in-law Francisco Rojas worked.

Rojas and Alvarado ran into the market to confront the alleged robber.

"He was saving the cashier because she was a girl," Lizzet said.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
6. Thus, bad writing.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jan 2012

"a female cashier" instead of "the female cashier" suggests more than one cashier.

"He was saving the cashier because she was a girl".
She was already safe since she was no longer in the store.

 

E6-B

(153 posts)
10. You can include the ATF and DOJ to your list of gun sources too.
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 12:36 AM
Jan 2012

See operation fast and furious.

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