On Twitter, Bernie Sanders’s supporters are becoming one of his biggest problems

[leftofcool]

Sanders’s predominately white backers are targeting black activists or journalists who dare question the candidate’s civil rights record.


I think the screen shots of some of the tweets speaks for themselves!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/23/on-twitter-bernie-sanderss-supporters-are-becoming-one-of-his-biggest-problems/

[Gothmog]

1. That is a great article

Thanks for posting.

[randys1]

2. if you really wanna stay awake nights, the rightwing attack here at DU And elsewhere

of Hillary is working.

They might actually harm her enough that the GOP can beat her in the general, as it is likely she is gonna be the candidate.

If you are Black, Gay, Muslim, Native America, Woman, run like hell if that happens because they wanna hurt you, real bad.

I mean physically, financially, the right hates you and wants to harm you.

They hate me too but when they pass me in the grocery store they cant tell I am a liberal.

By THEY wanna harm you I include ALL DU members who attack Hillary to the point that they are doing the rights work for them,

FUCK YOU

[riversedge]

36. I agree. So

many here on DU are doing the RW's work for them.

[Major Nikon]

80. Results...

On Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:15 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

if you really wanna stay awake nights, the rightwing attack here at DU And elsewhere
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=27727

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"By THEY wanna harm you I include ALL DU members who attack Hillary to the point that they are doing the rights work for them,

FUCK YOU" - I don't care what group or forum this is in but it has no place on DU. It is disruptive, hurtful, rude, and OTT. This member knows this too; and is hoping his claims of being alert stalked are taken into consideration on this vote. No! Per Skinner, he isn't being alert stalked. Please hide this and let's get back to being Democrats on a Democratic Board.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:19 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's an opinion that is shared by many. It's not directed at anyone in particular. Leave it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If the poster thinks they are being stalked, perhaps refraining from posting silly and purposely insulting litmus test bullshit might help. Just a thought.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is WAY over the top.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's true, the right does want to harm blacks, gays, muslims and women. I can't vote to hide a true statement.

[randys1]

82. Thanks for showing me, I think I am done here...fuck this. they win

[SusanCalvin]

106. I completely understand, and hope you stay. nt

[SusanCalvin]

105. A 3-4 -

Whadda ya know - a close one that went the right way.

The jury system is still broken.

[onpatrol98]

97. They hate me too but when they pass me in the grocery store they cant tell I am a liberal.

Now that's a good point!

[SusanCalvin]

107. Yep.

Quite analogous to the concept of white privilege.

Edited to add that they can't tell I'm an atheist either.

[Walk away]

132. Wow! nt

[nichomachus]

3. Well, people are free to vote for whichever corporatist suits them

as long as they're aware that those corporatists -- including Hillary -- don't have their best interests at heart.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. Why should we trust ANYONE in Washington DC?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118727641

They are all a bunch of opportunists sitting down in DC alllll of these years -including your candidate.

And black Americans are sick of them pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining?

You can't fight those stastistics.

Don't tell me how anti corporatists are gonna fix a bunch of racists at the Doctors office. Don't lie to me.

[underthematrix]

4. This was posted at TOD by Donna Dem4Obama

Good Afternoon TOD

I was in my car this afternoon driving to an appointment and I came across Joy Ann Reid on the radio. Now I was on a station that I don’t normally frequent and I don’t know if she was filling in for someone but her topic was quite interesting. She had on an AA spokeswoman for Bernie Sanders. This woman went on to explain what a Democratic Socialist is and how Bernie is wonderful and blah, blah, blah.

Once she was gone Joy had two other AA panelist on and the question she asked them was if Bernie’s campaign was viable and they each gave plausible answers for and against but then Joy went on to explain to them what she sees on twitter. She explained that she often witnesses “dustups” with Black Twitter, BLM, Obama supporters vs. the Feel the Bern crowd. Joy said that from what she sees these people are not feeling the bern. She asked her guest what she felt Bernie needed to do to get AA support since he is polling so poorly with this group. The female guest said there are two things. She said he had to engage them directly and in a better way and then she had the money quote. She said he needs to stop bashing and criticizing the President whether directly or indirectly. She gave the example of Bernie speaking ill of the Presidents signature legislation (ObamaCare) with all this talk about Single Payer and how this will not win him any votes in the AA community. She reminded the listeners that the President has been sued numerous times over ACA and twice the Supreme Court has had to rule that it is the law of the land. She said if this system which is not perfect by any means is being fought still to this day then how on earth is Bernie Sanders going to be able to do even more? She said the whole premise of his campaign is essentially a joke considering the makeup of Congress. I was hollering Hallelujah because somebody is finally speaking the reality of the Sanders campaign.

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/23/welcome-to-the-white-house-pontifex/

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. BS has been as hateful to PBO as many in the GOP, which is why I can/will NEVER support him.

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Bernie Sanders: Let’s primary Obama
posted at 12:00 pm on July 24, 2011 by Jazz Shaw


President Obama is under attack these days from all manner of nasty conservatives who don’t care for his liberal, big spending ways. They seem to have found an unlikely ally, though, in the person of the only officially declared socialist in Congress… Bernie Sanders. (Emphasis in original.)

SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. So I would say to Ryan discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.

It’s hard to say how much impact this will have, because traditionally Sanders hasn’t enjoyed a tremendous amount of influence outside his own state. But it is a sign of growing discontent with the political arm of his party. For better or worse, Obama is offering up some spending cuts which will effectively take the legs out from under most of the advertisements congressional Democrats are planning on running next year.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/24/bernie-sanders-lets-primary-obama/

While we were working our collective asses off to re-elect our first black "Democratic" POTUS, he was being undermined by the likes of BS. I will never forgive him for it, and I won't ever fail to let anyone I meet, know the reason why.

[Chitown Kev]

13. eh...but is primary-ing a sitting President who chooses to run for re-election

SUCH a bad thing...I mean, there is ample history of it being done in both parties (often with not-so-good results).

Should I be angrier at Bernie Sanders than, say, Ted Kennedy (and there were a lot of people pissed at Kennedy in 1980).

[jfern]

50. The only time the primary challenger was successful, the challenger won the general election

This was 1856, when Buchanan primaried Pierce. Of course they were both terrible Presidents.

That was also the last time that a Democratic President succeeded a Democratic President by election The times since then where a Democrat succeeded a Democrat was because the first one died (FDR and JFK). Of course, Gore should have succeeded Clinton,

[Chitown Kev]

53. Oh, I understand the history

I suppose that I simply don't take much offense at some in the party who feels that their issues aren't being addressed to find a way to address those issues...I'm not offended that Sanders said that, in other words...but if he wanted the president primaried, then he should have had the gumption to do it himself.

[uponit7771]

70. Yes it is, it's political suicide and the wrong thing for Sanders to say. My issue with Sanders is..

... in all the years he's been in government he hasn't been the person he demands Obama to be in regards to movements.

When single payer came to his state he wasn't leading a 30 million person march through the state capital to get the legislation passed.... for example

[Chitown Kev]

75. and crickets about the new police chief

in Burlington...

Brandon del Pozo's remarkable résumé is what convinced a selection committee to choose him as Burlington's next police chief. Outcry over the same CV is also what brought about 130 people to Monday's Burlington City Council meeting to argue whether the panel should affirm the Dartmouth College-educated, New York City Police Department alum as the Queen City's top cop.

Some in the audience linked del Pozo to New York's systematic profiling of Muslims after 9/11, its discredited stop-question-and-frisk arrest tactics and shootings of unarmed minorities. They called on the council to delay voting to give the public more time to examine del Pozo's background.

The vilification that you hear does not match the man," former police chief Michael Schirling countered during the heated discussion about his replacement, which went on for more than three hours.

The councilors agreed with Schirling, who retired last month. Even those who had expressed public concern about the new chief decided to back him. In the end, the council voted 11-0, with one abstention, to stand by "the man."

Those who selected del Pozo never anticipated the wave of criticism that would follow. But in the digital era, anyone can do a Google search. Community members found information online that left them wondering whether the search team had done a sufficiently thorough job.

In particular, they questioned a grad school paper del Pozo published in 2001 that suggested racial profiling had a place in police work. His extensive NYPD résumé drove some to conclude that he was involved in the department's Muslim surveillance tactics, for which the city is about to settle a lawsuit with the American Civil Liberties Union.

Abdullah Sall, a Burlington Muslim who used to live in New York, accused him of anti-Muslim prejudice, directly connecting him to NYPD's post-9/11 profiling of Muslims. "We should not be looking to take expertise from the problematic culture of the NYPD," Sall told city councilors Monday night. "The chief of police should always be an established community member."

I don't talk about this one too much...del Pozo IS well qualified but that racial profiling...

[riversedge]

40. oh, I remember that article--and being shocked.

In solidarity

[SusanCalvin]

110. I know he's not a typical politician,

But there are some typical political things he needs to think about, and god knows I'm not a politician, or even political unless I feel threatened (which I have for decades), or even social.

Please, Bernie, you're the best of a bad lot. Get with it. You're known for listening. Do so.

[zappaman]

5. Poppycock!

It's the Clinton campaign telling the AA community what to think!
It's true!
I read it on DU!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251616215

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. Their problems run much deeper than the Clinton campaign. Trust me on that.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. I don't know what to do with that

That's nonsense.

[Number23]

20. And the hilarious efforts to whistle past the graveyard continue. And continue. And continue

I had a poster who is well known to this forum for ALL the wrong reasons tell me that the AA forum has "driven a wedge" between itself and the rest of DU because we dare to discuss Sanders' abysmal support in minority communities and have spoken repeatedly about how black posters on DU, on black Twitter and even black attendees at Netroots Nation have been practically stalked and harangued by Sanders supporters.

Somehow, these people get called out by Thom Hartmann, Occupy, Van Jones, Black Twitter, and even OTHER SANDERS SUPPORTERS but as usual, it's black folks that have "driven the wedge" and created the problem. This shit is just precious and adorable.

[randys1]

34. I thought you knew that it is always your fault. Remember white privilege?

You cant be a truly liberal white person and not be aware at all times we wield our privilege.

[SusanCalvin]

111. I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but it is truth.

I wouldn't say "wield," though. You just have it, in our society. It's not your fault, but you do.

[betsuni]

61. This forum is regularly accused of driving wedges and stakes....

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Aren't your arms tired? I saw yesterday that "the stakes are so deep they are not going to heal" and was up all night wondering how a stake could heal.

[JustAnotherGen]

65. If the 231 subscribers to this group

Are the cause of the Sander's campaign woes -

Then the campaign is weak.

And so is that argument.

It's a weak idea, and anyone who thinks that we 231 are the problem is an idiot.

[The Polack MSgt]

86. Abolutely on target

If I could figure out how to up load photos, I would post an Expert Marksman's Medal - With a "TRUTH" clasp instead of the regular "RIFLE" one

[JustAnotherGen]

87. Side bar

Read this to my husband - tactical sharp shooter Italian marines.

He's dying!

[Number23]

88. Ha!!

and was up all night wondering how a stake could heal.

Were you ever able to get to sleep??

All I have to do is look at the people that are forever pointing fingers at this forum, look at the quality of their positions and their posts. Look at their education and in some cases, when they (FINALLY!) learned that they were black and it takes every drop of the sting of their impotent, misguided and often incredibly stupid criticisms away.

People who support Ben Carson and have nothing but disgust against Black Lives Matter. People who think Barack Obama is the devil incarnate but plant loving kisses on Vladimir Putin every chance that they get. People who are never in this forum to discuss minority issues but forever want to wave around that they are poc when it's needed in support of a particular candidate. These are not people that any of us would have anything to do with in the real world and they are certainly not the kind of people that are worth even a second of our time here.

[onpatrol98]

99. I have found that a bit odd...

People who are never in this forum to discuss minority issues but forever want to wave around that they are poc when it's needed in support of a particular candidate.

-------------------------

[Number23]

100. You and 99% of this board have found that very "odd" indeed.

That 1% is comprised entirely of the folks that engage in the very "odd" behavior to begin with.

[JustAnotherGen]

102. They think their faces are clean

They are not.

Prediction - I will slam my face in the door of any Sanders supporters. I never get polled - but Democratic supporters always show up at my door. Always.

[onpatrol98]

104. I plan on being brutally honest.

[JustAnotherGen]

101. I brought that up "out there"

Not sure if I got the list of blocked Sanders Supporters in before the hide or not. All I did was copy/paste from the about us page.

[tishaLA]

52. Threads like that are just...I don't even know

a special kind of orthodoxy, a thousand people speaking with exactly the same voice. I can't even describe it.

[betsuni]

62. Yet it always seems to be they who accuse others of being in an "echo chamber." nt

[emulatorloo]

94. Honestly, that thread should be in 'Creative Speculation'

Lots of heavy-duty conspiracy theory.

[zappaman]

119. I wish it were.

Now that the truth movement has pretty much died, that forum has tumbleweeds blowing thru...

[emulatorloo]

133. All about political expediency and disinformation

In my mind there's a lot of willful misinterpretation on DU. Anytime anyone noted why Sanders campaign has not done well reaching out to minorities, the response was "You said Bernie is a RACIST!"

I see there is also a movement to push the idea that people who aren't Bernie supporters are anti-Semitic because somebody posted something on another website on the internets?

[zappaman]

134. Yes, it's very willful.

And very tiresome.

[Number23]

135. Yep. That appears to be the latest meme. The same crowd that posted love letters to Ann Coulter

when she said something they interpreted to be vaguely nice about Sanders is now racing around accusing half of DU of being "anti-Semites"

I saw one person link to a post from Cha that was supposedly "anti-Semitic" except for one pesky problem -- there was no mention of Jewish people, Israel, Jewish food or culture, or anything that falls within established norms of anti-Semitism. And yet, somehow that was "proof" that so much of the criticism against Sanders here is now anti-Semitic and of course a jury let it stand. If there is a word for this behavior other than "mind boggling" I honestly don't know what it is.

[FloridaBlues]

6. It's not just on Twitter his supporters are just plain over the top

[The Polack MSgt]

9. Journalist writes that Bernie fans can be hostile and dismissive

DU Bernie fans respond - with dismissive hostility.

[Walk away]

24. That's the headline!

And, apparently, it's not going away. Read his supporters posts in this thread. They just keep proving their own point. It never get's old for me.
They have done it to me as an individual. I have been told several time on line and in the real world that, if I knew any better, that I would be supporting Bernie. It's pretty offensive and I'm white. It must seem like a real slap in the face when they are basing their criticism on your race.

[Number23]

25. Or even better.. hostile dismissiveness!

All while inferring that it's the Clinton camp, a biased media, space aliens and the lunar solstice that are the reasons for this blatant, long standing and well documented problem. Everything in the FREAKING WORLD is the problem -- but THEM, of course.

Sanders supporters get damn near as much press as Sanders himself does and for all of the wrong reasons. But that's everyone on earths' fault but Sanders supporters. You just gotta

[SusanCalvin]

117. Nailed it. nt

[Chitown Kev]

11. I rarely read Twitter

and I know this to be the case.

I would say, though, "SOME of Sanders supporters."

Sanders also has quite a few supporters that see Sanders as a logical extension of Obama; a position that I agree with, with caveats...those Sanders supporters are actually pretty cool

[Walk away]

26. Where are they????

When your candidate is using Cornel West's endorsement to enhance his creds, he is sending the African American community and everyone else a pretty strong message of hate and disrespect for the President.
I won't repeat what West has said about President Obama because it's pretty disgusting.

At least he isn't trying to hide the way he feels but he really should understand that there is a price to pay.

[Chitown Kev]

28. I see them over at DK all of the time

As far as Cornel West is concerned...I think rather differently about that whole issue (it's not SIMPLY about West's hate of President Obama...I actually think that it's OK that Sanders uses Dr. West...I suspect that the candidate knows the risks of doing so...Bernie Sanders isn't stupid and a bit more pragmatic than people give him credit for..)

Personally, I don't think that Sanders had much of a choice

[Walk away]

32. Well, then Bernie and his supporters shouldn't get their panties in a knot....

when people who believe that the President is a great man (and I am one of them), don't like West and by association, don't like Bernie.

[Chitown Kev]

35. Exactly

I mean, I like the fact that Bernie took the risk, more than anything else...but it was (and is) a risk...after all, Dr. West would still have SOME (not much any more, though) access to the (insider) networks the Bernie needs in South Carolina...but Hillary has so much more.

[SusanCalvin]

112. Yep.

From the little I know about West, I don't like him either. As always, subject to revision upon further information.

[brush]

127. I posted my opposition to West on the threads here quite a lot

I haven't heard of West being on the Sanders campaign since that one introduction.

Perhaps the Sanders campaign got the message from us that partnering with a well known Obama hater wasn't a good way to attract black voters.

Have you heard of any further West involvement with the Sanders campaign?

I personally think that West was just trying to get his tarnished name out in the public again more than he was trying to help Sanders.

[Chitown Kev]

12. OT- The posts on GDP are really...interesting today

if I said what I really think, I would probably get alert stalked again...

[JustAnotherGen]

15. I'm just letting loose and saying what I really think

Fuck this bullshit!

[Chitown Kev]

16. I can't say I blame you

oh, if only everything that I typed out was posted...

[JustAnotherGen]

17. I'm posting something

Someplace else because you know what? They can't handle hearing how they are acting the fool!

[Number23]

21. "They can't handle hearing how they are acting the fool!"

TELL IT.

Political consultant L. Joy Williams says Sanders could have won the allegiance of some black voters by responding to his supporters’ combative and patronizing comments and distancing himself from them.

For months I have been saying that I think that Sanders will come out and condemn the behavior of so many of his supporters. I have always believed that he would. But it has been months since I first started saying that and he's said and done nothing. I have no idea why he hasn't said anything. As bad as things have been and for how long, I have absolutely no idea what he could be waiting for.

[Chitown Kev]

29. Been there and done that one

Quick Hit: An Open Letter to Bernie Sanders

crickets

[Number23]

31. I have alluded to this before. This is not the first time black posters here have had to watch our

backs. And you hit on it in your Kos piece.

I am reminded, more than a bit, of the outpouring of racism against African Americans that followed the passage of Proposition 8 in California on November 4, 2008.

If you have the stomach, you should do a search on DU around that same time. I will never, ever, EVER forget the stuff I saw here. That was around the last time I stopped donating to DU.

And I know it was a long shot and maybe your post was a bit snarky, but how fabulous would it have been if someone from the Sanders campaign had responded to your diary??? How fucking fabulous would that have been???

Like I just said in another post, this crap has been going on for MONTHS and for some reason, the more these folks get called out by liberals, by progressive movements and by OTHER SANDERS SUPPORTERS the more they double down. When is he going to address this?? How does he not realize how damaging this is to him??

[Chitown Kev]

44. Oh, I've remember the gay blogs of that time

and for a few years after that (to be precise, when Maryland won marriage equality by referendum)...

[Walk away]

18. Excellent article! Thanks for posting it.

I'll be sharing it freely!

[Number23]

19. Becoming??! Washington Post is about four months too late on this

[JustAnotherGen]

22. Now now

Its all BLM's fault. If they had been good none of this would have been necessary.

Do I need the sarcasm tag?

[Number23]

23. I know. It's #BLM's fault for making black folks think that we actually fucking MATTER

that we can think for ourselves. Read for ourselves. And support whoever the LIVING FUCK we want to without being browbeaten and harassed. Without having our intelligence questioned. Who the hell do we think we are?? AMERICANS or something???!

I just saw a post from one of our true liberal friends ( ) that's basically doing the old "we're so stupid and we're being mislead" song and dance. Because nothing says "I SUPPORT YOU" to black people more than trying to dictate who we should support and inferring that we are stupid or corrupt if the person we choose to support is not the one our betters think it should be.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. The one where she

Tries to trick us? Yeah - I saw that.

[randys1]

39. BLM is so polite, nice, non combative compared to the way it would be if they

were white people complaining about being in the back of the bus.

Think about the difference.

Imagine if you reverse the roles here, and a Black man beat a white Woman.

White man beats a Black Woman, doesnt even bother going to his own trial and is acquitted.

Reverse that for a minute and imagine the consequences

[SusanCalvin]

114. Reverse that! More people should do so.

The world would be a better place.

[randys1]

129. Thanks

[lib87]

30. That Comment Section is Hilarious

I really think some BS supporters are mad because they will have to work for the support of a block of the electorate they figured would be a sure thing. Instead of working to do so in a productive manner, they talk down to the very people they want to 'bring under the tent' and wonder why they are getting the response they are getting.

[Chitown Kev]

33. They think...or assumed

that their selection of a candidate will be rubber-stamped by black people in the same way that...well, the black community rubber stamped Obama (and most of the white progressive community was divided between Edwards and Obama)...

The problem with that line of thinking is that black voters in the 2008 primaries did NOT rubber-stamp the white progressives who supported Obama.

hell, he was my US senator, I didn't need to "rubber-stamp" him.

[lib87]

37. We've Always Been Wary of White Progressives

I'm just tired of some of them not quite understanding that fact even after being told repeatedly and backed with historical evidence.



I'm just going to stay in this great section as much as possible until the primaries are over. I wish I found it sooner.

[Chitown Kev]

42. Yep.

[portlander23]

38. Yeah this is ugly

I can't say whether or not this article is sensationalism or if it's reflective of large portions of Mr. Sanders supporters. I have to admit that I've seen this attitude myself, so I won't deny it exists.

Earlier this month, I announced on Twitter that I planned to report on the disconnect between Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and black voters.

I would like to point out to supporters of Mr. Sanders who are taking this tone, there is a disconnect between you and Mr. Sanders. To everyone else, I would point out that not off of us subscribe to this line of thought.

We want Bernie to win, so knock this shit off.

[SusanCalvin]

115. "We want Bernie to win, so knock this shit off."

[riversedge]

41. Great article. Thanks for the post.

[mhatrw]

43. Are they actually Sanders' supporters? Or are they just racist shit stirrers?

If they are actual Sanders' supporters, maybe they just need to be educated a bit by the activists they are engaging with?

Shouldn't activists try to change people's minds? I would think that most black activists would be up to the challenge of educating ostensible white progressives. Yes, it is sad that many white progressives need educating. And no, it is not the responsibility of every POC to educate clueless white progressives about racism. But if you are an activist, why shy away from engagement with people who need to be educated?

[Number23]

45. The whole point is that nameless, faceless and mostly uneducated people on the Internet are

harassing, haranguing, browbeating and damn near stalking black activists, academics, pundits, and even just regular black folks for daring to so much as QUESTION Sanders' work in or potential work on black issues.

Why in the world would you put the onus on the people who are BEING victimized to educate the ones DOING the victimizing? Why can't these people educate themselves before they haunt the steps of every black person on the Internet who isn't swearing blood oaths to Bernie Sanders?? Black people don't owe him or any other candidate anything and that goes double for his supporters.

[Spazito]

46. Well said!

[Number23]

47. Heh. Actually I should have said "black people don't owe Sanders or any other candidate anything

and that goes a squillion fold for their supporters."

Every time black people on DU have tried to address this issue, we have been called "race baiters," "race naggers" or been accused of "playing the race card" or "calling Sanders or his supporters racist." Starry Messenger and gollygee have also noted that every time WHITE people on DU try to address this issue they are told to shut up because "they are speaking for poc" and because they "aren't black."

So what winds up happening? Nobody talks about this issue. Which is probably exactly what a certain contingent is praying for and what makes the "well, why don't you just try to educate these guys" tack that much more ridiculous. Certain supporters have made it abundantly clear they don't WANT to be educated. That their only purpose and mission is to minimize before shutting the conversation down entirely. And now they'll have to reap what they've sown.

[Spazito]

48. Yep, at least two AA members earned 'time-outs' for their trouble...

Both had incredible patience and worked very hard to explain, educate and what they received in return was snark, dismissal and alerts.

"So what winds up happening? Nobody talks about this issue." Exactly.

[SusanCalvin]

109. And I appreciate them so much. nt

[Lisa D]

51. +1000

[Starry Messenger]

59. +1

[betsuni]

63. +1

[uponit7771]

71. +1

[ismnotwasm]

73. +1000

This:

47. Heh. Actually I should have said "black people don't owe Sanders or any other candidate anything

and that goes a squillion fold for their supporters."

Bravo!

[gollygee]

98. Yep and this is still going on

If you're black, you'll get hidden very easily if you talk about racism, and enough hides leads to being silenced. Just that threat of hides leads to a level of self-editing that I haven't had to do.

And if you're white, you're told that you have no place to speak about racism. Repeatedly.

The end game is no one talks about racism. It's a clever way to try to get rid of these discussions.

[Number23]

120. JAG has had to learn this the hard way today

If you're black, you'll get hidden very easily if you talk about racism, and enough hides leads to being silenced

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251619065

[gollygee]

121. Wow. That thread's a mess.

I remember people saying they didn't believe 1SBM was really black at least a couple of times.

[Number23]

131. And accusing him of only caring about "rich" black people. They couldn't high five the poster

who said that fast enough.

I have seen where my racial bona fides have been questioned and JAG's, LiberalStalwart's and a whole bunch of others. And from well established DU "darlings" whose posts get hundreds of recs.

1SBM seems to have gotten the brunt of it though. But none of those salty-sweet crocodile tears streaming in that thread streamed his way or the rest of ours either when they happened.

[JustAnotherGen]

123. There's nothing hard about it!

I meant every single word.

It's the TRUTH.

I won't back down.

You send a letter to my house?

I'm the evil NSA lady at a major telecom.

[Number23]

130. !!!

I honestly don't know what we're supposed to say about posters that use MLK to bash Obama and -- far more recently -- high five Ben Carson for lying about and sliming Black Lives Matter in the most craven, dishonest way possible. I really don't get why anyone would be surprised by the feelings many in this group have towards people who do these things.

[SusanCalvin]

108. Yep + a googol (spelled correctly). nt

[mhatrw]

68. Wow! I guess the black vote really does matter to some people.

Thank God Clinton and her supporters don't care enough to engage black people!

[betsuni]

69. Why do you stay here, why does your spirit never rest?

Hillary surrogates, we know that you're here right now. Speak to us! ... I can hear them. Do you hear the whispering? She's right behind you ... HILLARY IS RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!!!11!!!

[uponit7771]

72. Black folk are engaged, just not with Sanders

[JustAnotherGen]

74. Have you ever thought to reach out to black spaces?

I’m serious.

Some places – reach out to them where you will have a very large black audience and see if they would accept a guest post/blog:


http://www.theroot.com/

www.forhariett.com




I'm hesitant to give you the names of any african american oriented forums because for example -

I noticed that you have still ignored the youngdemca post we've kept kicking up regarding disparities in health care for black Americans in this group.


It 'appears' like you only want to talk about election?


News flash - we are WHOLE people who have WHOLE lives. They are FULL lives. You aren't even trying to show the empathy and relate - only what you can 'get from us'.


And truthfully - you've posted here enough since that was posted that even if you did rec or respond to it now?

It wouldn't mean anything.

I'm all about truth telling these days.

[Number23]

89. I don't even know what this post is supposed to mean.

And feel that's probably a good thing.

[JustAnotherGen]

66. Everything Number23 wrote in posts

43 and 46 times 1 million.

Plus - I don't have time for nonsense.

[brush]

128. Are white progressives that are clueless about racism really progressive?

Not in my opinion

The word oxymoron comes to mind.

[lib87]

49. Don't Forget the Conspiracy Theories

All this 'race trouble' is due to Hilary agents online and offline trying to start trouble and make Bernie lose. Why I bet most of us in here criticizing Bernie supporters are actually secret Hilary agents!

[Chitown Kev]

55. In the meantime

a Majority of white Democrats support Clinton, as well, in pretty much every poll that I've seen.

But are white people the problem? No, siree

[lib87]

57. You and Your Facts

They have no place in this discussion sir!

[Number23]

58. Nailed it.

[ismnotwasm]

79. Exactly!

And apparently, white people aren't being poltically influenced" by nefarious plotters.

[betsuni]

64. TEH HILLARY SURROGATES!!!1111!!! nt

[JustAnotherGen]

67. Oh I love those products of weak minds!

If Clinton OR Sanders loses - they lose it on their own. They did it to themselves.

[KeepItReal]

54. "Of course, it’s not fair to blame Sanders for the vitriol of trolls."

Wrote the author of your linked article.

[Cha]

91. "But at a time when he’s trying to build a relationship with black voters, his supporters can have

a significant effect on his image."

The rest of the quote.

And, they have had ".. a significant effect on his image"..

[MADem]

56. Nasty, nasty, nasty responses.....that poor guy got inundated!

But he NAILS it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/23/on-twitter-bernie-sanderss-supporters-are-becoming-one-of-his-biggest-problems/

Marching with King is not a coronation to the black vote; nor was his endorsement of Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaign. Many people reasonably question whether Sanders’s message of fixing economic inequality will benefit African Americans. The revolting tone of the backlash to critiques of Sanders’s record on racial issues is the digital manifestation of a historical divide between black Americans and white progressives. From the labor movement of the post-industrial era to the feminist movement of the 1960s, people of color long have been sidelined and patronized when they try to exercise their voices in progressives spaces that claim to welcome them.


More recently, this lingering racial divide appeared in New York City’s Occupy Wall Street Movement, which I covered for TheGrio in 2011. Each evening in Zuccotti Park, young men and women took to the mic, lamenting the greed and excess of the 1 percent at the expense of the 99 percent. Though the movement was leaderless, the voices most often heard were those of white men and women. Dozens of nonwhite organizers grew so tired of being shut out of strategy meetings that they formed a “People of Color Working Group” to assert their presence and express their grievances of economic racism.

Occupy focused on class struggle, while economic racism — the systemic ways in which racism limits economic opportunity for people of color — was barely acknowledged or outright ignored. Across the country, people of color were present in Occupy, but a study of the movement’s racial representation found that African Americans made up just 1.6 percent of its participants.

Sanders’s message, like that of Occupy, generally deals with economic inequality. While he has spoken about how economic inequality affects communities of color, that’s not the same as articulating the words “economic racism” and addressing the friction between black and white progressives.

[Cha]

60. "I don't have to help Bernie Sanders with anything. I am a journalist, not a political consultant"

Terrell J. Starr ‎@Russian_Starr
I don't have to help Bernie Sanders with anything. I am a journalist, not a political consultant.
12:52 PM - 2 Sep 2015 18 18 Retweets
41 41 favorites

The money shot, right here..

"Of course, it’s not fair to blame Sanders for the vitriol of trolls. But at a time when he’s trying to build a relationship with black voters, his supporters can have a significant effect on his image."

Exactly. Mahalo, leftofcool!

[sgtbenobo]

77. Bernie was fighting for everyone

when you still had the ring around your ass from potty training.

how did you turn out so mean?

[zappaman]

81. Couldn't resist coming into the AA forum and flinging your feces, eh?

Bravo.

[Chitown Kev]

84. I tried to alert on this post

only to find out that it was already alerted and you know what

On Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:53 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Bernie was fighting for everyone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=27865

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Unnecessary and rude.

JURY RESULTS

Someone else already alerted on this post before you alerted on it, and only the first alert was sent to a Jury. A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of the post on Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:39 PM, and voted 3-4 to keep IT. Please note that even though your alert was not sent to a Jury, it has been forwarded to the Administrators who review all alerts.

Thank you.

It further illustrates what is wrong with this jury system here.

[SusanCalvin]

113. If the admins review all alerts

Why is this place so $@#!ed up?

[Starry Messenger]

85. Wow, you went out of your way to be completely horrible in that post.

Group host here, one and done warning. Please don't come back in this group, or you will be blocked.

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sgtbenobo (283 posts)
77. Bernie was fighting for everyone

when you still had the ring around your ass from potty training.

how did you turn out so mean?

[Cha]

90. BS doesn't need enemies with the supporters he has on the internet. I love it!

[leftofcool]

96. Can someone please ban this crap!

[JustAnotherGen]

125. I blocked him

He was just here to be disruptive.

[SusanCalvin]

116. How did *you*?

[JustAnotherGen]

124. Blocked - Group Host

Disruptive post that attacked a beloved member of the group. Please use this post as a reference point when discussing being blocked.

Thanks.

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Response to Cha (Reply #60)Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:20 PM
sgtbenobo (287 posts)
77. Bernie was fighting for everyone

when you still had the ring around your ass from potty training.

how did you turn out so mean?
America; once a frat-house, now a death-cult.

[bowens43]

76. more disinformation from hillary's hit squads....oh well , what do we expect?

[Cha]

92. Actually, they're facts that BS' supporters can't handle.

[zappaman]

93. "hillary's hit squads"

Man, you Sanders supporters crack me up!

Oh shit...you were right!!!!

[leftofcool]

95. So People of Color are now members of Hillary's Hit Squad?

I will get out that message to them real soon.

[Cha]

118. ..

[gollygee]

122. It isn't appropriate to come in here and talk about this group this way

As a group host, I'm going to give you a first and last warning to not come in here to agitate again.

bowens43
76. more disinfomation from hillary's hit squads....oh well , what do we expect?

[JustAnotherGen]

126. Trash the group

It is not disinformation - it is the truth.

I'm sorry - but if you can't accept that then you need to trash the group and put the original poster on ignore.

[pinebox]

78. Ha!

I actually blocked that Fred Mertz guy like 2 years ago. He's a piece of work.

[zappaman]

83. Well, this certainly set off a shitstorm in GDP for the usual suspects.

[SusanCalvin]

103. Another attempt to *help* Bernie,

That will probably *again*be taken the wrong way.