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Related: About this forumStonewall Didn’t Need a White Male Lead. So Why Does It Have One?
http://www.vulture.com/2015/09/stonewall-yet-another-white-surrogate-project.htmlIts as bad as you feared. Roland Emmerichs Stonewall makes good on the historical erasure promised in its trailer, turning a pivotal moment in queer history into a vanity project. Stonewall, the three-day uprising against the police that birthed the modern queer-rights movement, also made the names of two trans activists of color: Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson, who eventually founded STAR Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries (later renamed Street Transgender Action Revolutionaries), an advocacy organization for homeless LGBT youth. They are two exceedingly important historical figures, and the types of compelling characters around whom movies should be made.
Stonewall doesnt simply erase them from the record Rivera becomes a lovelorn composite character named Ray, and Johnson, who many witnesses say started the riots, isnt present when they begin but instead replaces them with a fabricated fictional lead: Danny Winters, a gay white boy from Indiana who serves as our entrée into the wild world of Christopher Street. In Stonewall, people of color, street queens, hustlers, and lesbians become peripheral, undesirable, and, at times, delusional an amusing footnote in the great arc of gay liberation while Danny, the interloper, throws the first brick that starts the riots, yelling, "Gay power!" In this way, Danny misrepresents queer history, while also acting as yet another instance of a narrative relying on an audience surrogate: the white guy who can properly tell the story of "the other."
This was always the intention. In the press notes for the film, producer Michael Fossat said, The biggest challenge in casting this film was the character of Danny because hes in every scene and the film is really about him. They settled on Jeremy Irvine, a 25-year-old, blue-eyed British actor with a shaky grip on the American accent. Danny is a very straight-acting kid, Emmerich said. [The audience] can relate more strongly to him and through Dannys eyes theyll experience the more extreme situations depicted in the film. Who is the audience? I didnt make this movie only for gay people, I made it also for straight people. he told BuzzFeed. As a director you have to put yourself in your movies, and Im white and gay.
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Stonewall parody trailer
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Whether to weep, scream, or throw things. Guess I'll do all three.
Number23
(24,544 posts)This is why so many of us had so many problems with The Help and other movies. This idea that white Hollywood has that stories, even stories about black people, black culture and black movements, simply MUST be told from the point of view of a white person is so moronic, stifling and maddening it makes you want to scream, cry and throw things all at the same time.
I just saw a story where a big time Bollywood actress has just made the leap to American television. Her character's name is Alex Parrish and she's half white, even though the actress that plays her is fully Indian. I guess having a fully Indian character who's name is Priyanka or some other gorgeous Indian name would just be considered too much.
And what really pisses me off is that Hollywood assumes that everyone is as insular, closed minded and racist as they are. And we are ALL lessened and denied some amazing stories and characters as a result.
randys1
(16,286 posts)THis has REALLY pissed off the LGBT community, as it should.
I have not watched "The Help" to this day because my Black friends told me what you just said.
I did watch "Selma" however
Number23
(24,544 posts)and has a black director. So it doesn't have the exploitative feel that The Help and other movies have.
randys1
(16,286 posts)a Black kid who played football, I think Sandra Bullock was in it
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Hollywood fears losing money. That is number 1 on their agenda.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Interesting the things that Hollywood keeps shoveling money into, whether its successful or not.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I think that one reason I gravitate towards indy films is they're often a slice of life outside of the Hollywood box.
Number23
(24,544 posts)but you're right, they are the ones telling the most interesting and diverse stories right now. The main movie houses seem to be all about superheroes and cartoon villains right now. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy those immensely, but the fact that we've had 112 Spiderman movies and the first movie about MLK just came out last year is indicative of something truly wrong.
There has also been a huge resurgence in film festivals ie like Sundance but even smaller. Those are awesome. Even if you don't like the movie the fact that they are often held outdoors still makes them special.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)says you have to have a lead character to make the audience identify with somebody in the film.
They missed the boat completely. What was so exciting about Stonewall was that a whole community rose up and said "enough!" without being galvanized to do so by some charismatic leader type. Hollywood just can't deal with that one. Gotta have a leader and if you can make it a white boy from the heartland, so much the better.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I would have a better chance of entering the story from the point of view of the Black trans women, even though I'm white and cis female. I guess I have white boy from the heartland fatigue.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)I know I'm bored shitless by the Hollywood formula.
Avatar was a little different, at least they were all Bluish. I just won't forgive Cameron for killing off my favorite character, Trudy.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)As much as it responds to them.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Easier to cover up the shallowness of a bad script...put a pretty white face on it...
I don't mind that the story itself is fictional...but given something this significant, they are going for the shallowest bullshit and the bottom line...hope it bombs.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I think there are some informational pickets planned for opening day.
JustAnotherGen
(31,811 posts)I've really been looking forward to this movie, Revenant, Black Mass (this weekend), Pawn Sacrifice and Truth.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)the 1996 film is better
I will say that as someone who reads a lot of fiction and narrative I don't think that I would mind that if a character like this was sort of a "roving eye" central character/intelligence who tells the story, that can a very effective and unusual way of telling the story, actually, but that this guy seems to play the hero...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It is exactly what Stonewall is missing.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Who is the audience? I didnt make this movie only for gay people, I made it also for straight people. he told BuzzFeed. As a director you have to put yourself in your movies, and Im white and gay.
I'm a money grubbing queen (and I can say that, folks!) that wants to make lots of money...as opposed to a quality film...well, some would accuse Lee Daniels of doing the same thing (not that I want to open THAT particular can of worms)
3,2,1 until I'm alerted...
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)So, who played Roland Emerich in Godzilla? The irradiated lizard of inconstant size, or the stodgy pseudo-scientist guy who studied radioactive worms?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Film. I can think of quite a few amazing actresses that could have been amazing in that role- beautiful, tough, funny and inspirational. What a let down. Because dudes in suits in LA are scared. Ugh.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)time. She had such an amazing sense of humor and a lot of heart. Her funny little thing was to pick up magazines one place and drop them the next, collecting a few bucks along the way as she caught up with the local gossip. We'd laugh because it even though she was running a bit of a scam- it also really was better having the new magazines, and worth it to have her company, LOL.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)What a remarkable and brave person. I'd heard about her before, but not in this depth.
I suppose they never solved the mystery of the circumstances surrounding her death?
"Pay it no mind" is going to be my new motto. And perhaps my new signature line as well.
Thank you again.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Reality was real enough. I had 2 hangouts during that era. 116th&Madison and Christopher St very lively places to be.
I'm not going to see stonewall. I don't expect a fictionalized version of historical events to be accurate but let's not make a soap opera out if it.
I watched queer as folk for years, it was what it is a soap opera kind of show, like empire. Usually entertaining, easy to get hooked on the characters and about as close to reality as Dallas
The crackdown on gay folks was deadly, it cost lives, there has to be some respect for that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I hope a different and more real film gets made someday. The director must not watch anything but his own films.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Hollywood is notorious for this kind of thing.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There's a lot of race-bending and white-washing in Hollywood, but to take historical figures and just make them white and male?
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)they would have run with it.
randys1
(16,286 posts)str8t people to be comfortable.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Probably saved a woman or minority from having their career tarnished by a disaster.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I hope a message was sent.