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Related: About this forum"Swift change is a mirage." ...
-- Melissa Harris-Perry
She's talking about gun control; but, it is a lesson about ALL social change ... that PoC (and other awake others) know well, having lived every step ... every moment ... of the change that those unaffected, only recognize in the final moment of accomplishment.
And I think some of the tension we are experiencing on DU is some understand this; while, others do not.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in the face of "revolution", it is NOT some "sell out" acceptance of the "3rd-way" whatever ... it is, merely, ANOTHER instance where life experiences, vary.
brer cat
(24,522 posts)I think a corollary is whites seeing a glass half-full and wondering why "you" are agitating for more instead of being content.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)seeing the glass as half-empty and wondering why "you" are not agitating for a faster more, when the "you" spent the last century getting it to that point.
brer cat
(24,522 posts)But the people I hear most often are the ones who think a glass half full is an acceptable end point, or at least a comfortable spot to sit and rest while we contemplate how much progress has been made. Lacking a feeling of urgency to keep moving forward leads to death for any movement, even if we acknowledge that most progress will be slow.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I think same-sex marriage is a great example of this. The SCOTUS ruling came as a shock, like a sudden clap of thunder, to those who could never imagine such a thing - because all the many long years of LBGT agitation and activism was invisible to them while it was happening.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And, even those of us that are/were semi-aware, would have Stonewall as the sudden clap of thunder regarding SSM ... but that ignores the stuff that happened, prior to Stonewall, that we, non-members of the LGBT Community, are/were completely unaware of. See the thread about the white washing of Stonewall.
(Thank you, ChitownKev for waking me up.)
Number23
(24,544 posts)It's moved a bit "swifter" than some other movements but I think it still has staying power and the potential to impact millions of people with it.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Having stood both inside and outside and various times, I appreciate anyone who is fighting for improvement. I don't appreciate those who throw rocks only at the ones who are doing the heavy lifting, lol.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Some movements moved more "swiftly" than others but they still have staying power.
"Swift" could be a movement that takes 20 years compared to others that are still being organized and implemented after 50.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)And that's a good thing when you're trying to govern hundreds of millions of people.
Otherwise, every time the opposition party came into power, it would immediately repeal much of the previous government's legislation -- as they would love to do with Obamacare. We make that difficult with the filibuster. They can't repeal anything without a supermajority.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)During World War II, many black Americans and other PoC fought and died in segregated units. Many of them were treated in a horrific manner by the dominant white American culture when they got home. Some were even lynched! Jim Crow was by no means over in the South, and wouldn't be over (officially) for at least 20 more years.
Yet, by the 1960s, the realities of poverty, unemployment, and de facto segregation in the urban North meant that white Northerners could no longer treat race (and racism) as merely a "Southern" problem. Not coincidentally, this is around the time that the "conservative political backlash" began in earnest. Nixon is elected, and he launches the War on Drugs...which has ravaged and devastated the black and Latino communities ever since. Many White people - white New Deal Democrats, in fact, North and South - voted for Nixon (and Reagan, then in California and later nationwide). That's a matter of historical record.
Despite all of the progress that has been made thanks to the efforts of ordinary people - first and foremost, black people and PoC in general - there has been a formidable resistance to progress by people, forces, and systems that would rather have things either remain the way they are, or worse, go back to the way they were. We see that all the time. And yes, most people outside of the struggle are unaware of all of the steps toward justice, big and small, that are made on a daily basis. I personally blame the 24-hour news cycle.
The arc of the moral universe may bend toward justice, but that's not always apparent in the short-term.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,221 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)there was one issue, that I cannot recall what our differences were ... I think it was when she traveled down that "trans-racial" road.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,221 posts)of the demographic she teaches. Being an oldster, I'm not always on the same page with my juniors. But she is still the only show that routinely record on MSNBC because she recruits actual scholars to drill down beneath the surface. But the segment you're referring to was a takedown of some of the stupidest talking points I've heard since the debate began.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Being on the cusp of oldersterdom ... watching MHP gives me warm hope! The younglings that she finds makes me smile.
ETA: I might not always agree; but, I can see/they do a good job of articulating how they got to their position.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Sometimes ideas and feelings are boiling below the surface, and a major transformation is about to take place through a transformation in the minds of many simultaneously, or close to this. Because we can't mind read ... yet ...
Examples:
The total change of mindset in the American public towards same-sex marriage over a few short years from states putting defense-of-marriage amendments in their constitution to majority support for same-sex marriage, and then the Supreme Court ruling in this favor.
The Arab spring, with spontaneous revolts against repressive dictatorships in the Middle East, without any reporter anywhere anticipating this development. Old established political orders were stood on their head.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Hitler came to power in a multi-party system, with only 37% of the vote. And he quickly changed that country.
Our system is set up with checks and balances to slow the process of change -- for example, with the filibuster.