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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:15 PM Mar 2016

*****AA Group****** The cold, hard truth: it's game over for Bernie Sanders

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/01/super-tuesday-results-bernie-sanders-campaign

It’s time for some cold hard truths in this presidential election.

Here’s an ice cold one: winning a landslide victory in the mighty state of Vermont is not a foundation for success. Especially if Vermont has been your home since the Jurassic age of politics.

Here’s another: if you hold a victory rally before most of the states have been called, you’re not fooling anyone. When your victorious supporters have emptied the hall before the TV pundits have barely warmed up, you’re actually throwing a consolation party.

Bernie Sanders has built his impressively insurgent campaign on the premise that he’s a truth-teller. On Tuesday night, he repeated the commonplace belief that climate change is not a hoax (as many Republicans argue), and that the science is clear.
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*****AA Group****** The cold, hard truth: it's game over for Bernie Sanders (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2016 OP
He IS a truth-teller. Walks the walk, as well as talks the talk Compassionate & Progressive too. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #1
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BKH70041 Mar 2016 #2
I honestly expected a cogent analysis from Richard Wolffe, but he does not really do any math. thereismore Mar 2016 #3
He has already lost though. eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #4
the truth is he never thought he would win the nomination JI7 Mar 2016 #5
If we dont now PUSH Hillary like MAD on universal healthcare and MW, then we deserve randys1 Mar 2016 #6
Thank you! Kind of Blue Mar 2016 #7
There it is. wildeyed Mar 2016 #8
Very likely gollygee Mar 2016 #11
+1 joshcryer Mar 2016 #15
That was brutal. Just up and down brutal Number23 Mar 2016 #9
I was expecting this to happen on Super Tuesday, so I'm not surprised steve2470 Mar 2016 #10
Great article JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #12
my pleasure! :) nt steve2470 Mar 2016 #14
Have you seen the piece that Kos wrote on this? It was posted in this forum Number23 Mar 2016 #13
The more I think about it... qwlauren35 Mar 2016 #16
I agree. I don't think it hurts anyone for him to stay in as long as he wants. Number23 Mar 2016 #17
Posts like this and analysis like #10 are appreciated Digital Puppy Mar 2016 #18
you're very welcome steve2470 Mar 2016 #19
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
1. He IS a truth-teller. Walks the walk, as well as talks the talk Compassionate & Progressive too.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:32 PM
Mar 2016

Too bad some just can't, don't, won't see it, despite evidence.

You know, not everything is flash (which sometimes covers up for horrible policies and lack of real Progressive substance).

http://www.essence.com/2015/10/16/bernie-sanders-secretly-met-sandra-blands-mother

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
3. I honestly expected a cogent analysis from Richard Wolffe, but he does not really do any math.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

He writes about his feelings mostly, but he is very thin on substance, at least in that article. Just because he gave a victory party early on does not mean it is over. Maybe he needed some rest. He is a septuagenarian, you know. As sharp as he is, the body has its limits. Let's give him a break.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
5. the truth is he never thought he would win the nomination
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

He got in the race to bring attention to economic issues.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
6. If we dont now PUSH Hillary like MAD on universal healthcare and MW, then we deserve
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

to lose ground on those issues.

She is gonna do what we tell her to do if it means she doesnt get reelected.

The real politics starts after the election.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
9. That was brutal. Just up and down brutal
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:29 AM
Mar 2016

Steve, how are you dealing with this? Do you agree with this article?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
10. I was expecting this to happen on Super Tuesday, so I'm not surprised
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:00 AM
Mar 2016

His campaign has bypassed the PoC community excessively, and he started his campaign way too late. I do largely agree with what the author is saying. I can understand Bernie staying in the campaign just to make a statement or for a long-shot chance, which I think he has slim to no chance with Secretary Clinton's lead. I could also understand him bowing out gracefully in the next few weeks.

Lesson of his campaign: Understand that you absolutely must have an excellent connection with the PoC community to run as a Democrat. Secretary Clinton does, and that's why she's going to win the nomination and, I think, in November as well.

I really hope the nastiest "Sanders supporters" wise up and either accept reality or just leave DU. One can hope anyway. Have a great day, Number23!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
13. Have you seen the piece that Kos wrote on this? It was posted in this forum
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

Once you get beyond the profanity, he offers up alot of wisdom and he says alot of the things that you're saying here.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/29/1492734/-Democrats-South-Carolina-and-wrapping-up-our-primary-season

Mainly that parachuting into communities of color a few months before you need their votes is not a winning strategy. And also running an insurgent campaign based on "course correction" against a president with an 80% approval rating in your own party is even worse.

I really hope the nastiest "Sanders supporters" wise up and either accept reality or just leave DU. One can hope anyway.

From your lips to God's ears. Good Lord, that would be so incredibly wonderful.

qwlauren35

(6,145 posts)
16. The more I think about it...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

the more I want him to stay in the race. All the way to the end.

Nothing fires people up for the general election more than voting in the primaries. Especially if their candidate wins, but even if not, especially when they think their voices are heard. Sanders is reaching out to voices that need to be heard. He has put together a platform on the left that people resonate with, and it forces Hillary to answer and address important questions. He's pulling her left. Kicking and screaming, but definitely left.

He needs to continue, all the way to the end, and all the way to the Convention.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
17. I agree. I don't think it hurts anyone for him to stay in as long as he wants.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:10 AM
Mar 2016

It's clear at this juncture that he won't win the nomination but he could still play a role in the discourse which is still pretty important.

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
18. Posts like this and analysis like #10 are appreciated
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

Your thoughts resonate with mine in the initial approach to the campaign (both BS and HC). I just think Clinton has been thinking about this for 8.5 years...

(Steve, thanks for not being rabid and frothing at the mouth...)

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
19. you're very welcome
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:13 PM
Mar 2016
Some people on this board forget or never knew that you get more "flies" with honey than with vinegar. The honey approach is obvious, and there's no point in being an obnoxious jackass. Set out your points politely and with a view to educate. God knows Sanders has already done this, so there's no point in doing it again. The people in GDP, for the most part, just like throwing feces at each other. Does anyone change their mind in GDP ? I damn sure don't.

Secretary Clinton has been preparing, like you said, for years and has always had a great connection to the AA community. It just astonishes me that an otherwise smart and savvy Senator Sanders has blown it, but I have to remember that he only became a Democrat a few months ago. He's been an independent for so many years in an extremely white state.
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