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We Were Wrong (Original Post) obamanut2012 Mar 2016 OP
Seriously. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #1
Right behind you, Sister obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #3
Yes you were wrong. leftofcool Mar 2016 #2
From your mouth to Skinner's ear obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #5
The posts are horrid brer cat Mar 2016 #8
I agree about the recs obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #13
100% agree with every word of this post Number23 Mar 2016 #19
I shared the same naiveté etherealtruth Mar 2016 #4
I agree obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #6
Right? It's one thing to stand by and do nothing. Iris Mar 2016 #26
Horrible bravenak Mar 2016 #7
OMG. I just saw what you are talking about, I think. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #9
I'm not sure about any posts JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #10
There are regular posters here at DU wildeyed Mar 2016 #15
I've been afraid of alot of DUers for a long time Number23 Mar 2016 #20
It's a first for me. wildeyed Mar 2016 #21
I never in a million years thought Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #11
The rule change has exposed the racists to be the racists they clearly are. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #12
I ❤️ full ignore. wildeyed Mar 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #14
I've been convinced for a long time that we have our quota of trolls here steve2470 Mar 2016 #16
agreed obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #18
I don't think admins were quick to ban wildeyed Mar 2016 #23
yea, I think under the current system you'd get a hide, which is really sad nt steve2470 Mar 2016 #24
Their heads would explode n/t wildeyed Mar 2016 #25
And others would call them out. Iris Mar 2016 #27
Yes. wildeyed Mar 2016 #30
Exactly. This is the one place on here that still has the spirit of the old DU. Iris Mar 2016 #31
+1000!! My thoughts exactly! Digital Puppy Mar 2016 #29
Depressing ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #17
Not surprising. Buzz cook Mar 2016 #28

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. Yes you were wrong.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:53 AM
Mar 2016

And isn't it sad? I don't know which is worse, the actual posts or those who rec it. Fortunately, as soon as Hillary wraps up the nomination, all of the racists will either be gone of their own free will or be banned.

brer cat

(24,523 posts)
8. The posts are horrid
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
Mar 2016

but the recs they receive are worse imo. The piling on leads to groupthink, feelings that their views are acceptable to the majority, and that ultimately leads to someone like Trump at the top of the pile. This s$%@ would have been stopped long ago if enough people, outside of this group, had spoken up in opposition.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
19. 100% agree with every word of this post
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016
This s$%@ would have been stopped long ago if enough people, outside of this group, had spoken up in opposition.

Damn right.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
4. I shared the same naiveté
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:54 AM
Mar 2016

Unfortunately, there are always going to be idiots posting bigoted and ignorant thoughts ... it is more disturbing, to me, that there are people cheering them on

Iris

(15,648 posts)
26. Right? It's one thing to stand by and do nothing.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

But another to give a sign that you agree with the offender.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
10. I'm not sure about any posts
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

The last 24 hours or so . . . but yeah -

And you know - for whatever it is worth?

There are regular posters at DU that I would never let in my front door.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
15. There are regular posters here at DU
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

that I am actually afraid of now. More than any of the random wingnuts I have encountered, except maybe the one who road-rage tailgated me for my Kerry sticker when I had two little ones in the carseats...

Number23

(24,544 posts)
20. I've been afraid of alot of DUers for a long time
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:56 PM
Mar 2016

And judging by the number of folks who feel like they need to haunt my every step, apparently they're equally as afraid of me.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
21. It's a first for me.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

I would be afraid of you, too, if we disagreed about much. But I am also smart enough not to punch above my weight. Others seem to lack that common sense

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
11. I never in a million years thought
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

that this place would be a place where I would have to use full ignore but I have had too in order to keep my sanity

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
22. I ❤️ full ignore.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:25 PM
Mar 2016

I do wish there was a function so I could see when those on my ignore list were permanently banned. Because that seems to be a trend these days.

Response to obamanut2012 (Original post)

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
16. I've been convinced for a long time that we have our quota of trolls here
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

Trolls = racist, homophobic, sexist, stealth Republicans, stealth conservatives.

If WillyT had self-deleted his FIRST OP about Stockholm Syndrome, made a sincere heartfelt apology and then come to AA to learn, I would have forgiven him and considered that a learning experience for a white guy (AFAIK he's white). He didn't do all that. I hope he learns and grows one day.

Right now, the bar for being insta-banned for racism is to use the N-word. Otherwise, all the sneaky under-the-radar shit gets to stay.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
23. I don't think admins were quick to ban
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

back in the day either, but other posters could shut it down pretty quickly because the moderation system worked. People could make ignorant comments, but then they had to feel the consequences of that, too. Now they just alert on anything they don't like and let the jury do their dirty. The "community standard" seems to be that white people must never feel uncomfortable. If they do, it is considered "racially divisive"

I distinctly remember arguing with some dumbass for DAYS about whether a black kid who called her kid a cracker was the moral equivalent of a white kid calling a black kid the n-word. I ended up posting lynching photos as evidence of the historical context of that word. I know I got a few ToS alerts, but I never got a hide or a comment from the mods. The photos were historical, and we were discussing the history of the word so they allowed them to stay.

Can you IMAGINE the shit storm that would rain down now if anyone did that under the current system?

Iris

(15,648 posts)
27. And others would call them out.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

I made my share of ignorant comments back in the day but they were pointed out to me and I learned. (Quickly, I'll add, because I wanted to learn!)

Also got a lot of "do you have a link for that" which made me a much better debater and probably steered me on my path to becoming an academic librarian.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
30. Yes.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

I learned a lot from this site back then. I spent hours debating what was then an obscure voter ID law in GA. I remember the first time I trapped a self-professed lawyer into a fallacy on that topic and then shut his argument down completely.



And god help you if you didn't have some sort of legit back up when the dreaded "link please" came. Now people just use a bunch of logical fallacies and overblown rhetoric to derail any legitimate debate. I went to the trouble to do actual research on some dumb butthurt that was going on in GDP yesterday, and when I posted the results of the research, was told I needed to "get a life" or something of that nature. For going out and finding an actual FACT on the topic I guess the fact was inconvenient and interfered too much with the whinefest.

It is so bad now that I sometimes read posts to my 15 year old and have her ID the fallacies as practice for debate club and general critical thinking drills. My young teen can see the stupid, and without even trying hard. Sad.

And then when they can't derail with BS, they call in the partisan juries. The stalking of members of this group make me about as mad as anything. The main reason I come back most of the time is to support them, since it seems like a few still want to be here. That and the fact that this is still such a sharp, intellectually stimulating group. Despite all the GDP mayhem and stalking, there are still really excellent discussions of other topics going on here.

Iris

(15,648 posts)
31. Exactly. This is the one place on here that still has the spirit of the old DU.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016

The dismissal of evidence is just not a behavior that I expect from this place. I can see that any minute of the day on the newer social media platforms.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
28. Not surprising.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

People are stupid and lazy when they think they got "TRUTH" on their side.

Doesn't help that emotions have been cranked to eleven since Bernie announced.

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