Racism...alive and well in the Democratic Party

[onpatrol98]

(This is for LS. Everyone kept spouting for proof. As if it wasn't possible to produce it. I didn't realize that earlier post exchange with LS had been so brutal until today. No wonder she wants to leave. People like to convince you that it's all in your head. So you'll sit down and shut up about it.)

I believe these are all Democrats...
http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/did-black-americans-make-a-mistake-by-electing-obama-as-president/

New Yorker's Lizza: Nothing Racial About Clinton's 'Obama Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags'
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Biden made remarks during the campaign that attracted controversy. On the day of his January 2007 announcement, he spoke of fellow Democratic candidate and Senator Barack Obama: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden)

Harry Reid 'Negro' Comment: Reid Apologizes For 'No Negro Dialect' Comment
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417406.html

Liberal Icon Jimmy Carter 1970 racist campaign was absolutely amazing...
Quotes:
'I can win this election without a single black vote.'"
The Carter campaign produced a leaflet noting that Sanders had paid tribute to Martin Luther King, Jr.
(He has supposedly...evolved.)

*He received VERY LITTLE black support. He led the country (thankfully) differently from the way he ran his campaign.*

As for racism on DU....it can be summed up nicely with...two words
TRAYVON MARTIN

***I do NOT believe the majority of DU or democrats are racists. I do NOT believe every complaint of the President's is racially motivated. But, I'm not naive enough to believe that there are NO racial undertones exhibited on this site and within the democratic party. Just because there's much more of it within the republican party does not mean it doesn't exist here.***

The privilege is THICK on this site some days.

[bravenak]

1. I know. Nt

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Hear! Hear!

On this site and many others, people have been pointing out the obvious: many who nitpick everything President Obama says and does, aren't fooling anyone that it has everything to do with his "policies".

These anti-Obama intelligentsia trying to dominate this site and trying to shut people down while posing as Liberals, have zero tolerance for America's first black president because of his skin color rather than "his policies". I knew that the moment they wailed in post after post about why he didn't keep his first promise and shut down Gitmo. If they were half as intelligent as they believe themselves to be, they'd know it was Congress, not President Obama, who stopped him so the blame rest solely on CONGRESS.

[cui bono]

5. There are many criticisms to be made of Obama that have absolutely nothing to do with race though.

It would be foolish to discount all of them by saying it's about his race. Most of the criticism I see of him on DU has nothing to do with race. Now if you talk to a teabagger, who by definition doesn't know anything about policy or the reality of what's going on since all they do is watch Fox and listen to Rush, then yes, I'm sure it has mostly to do with racism.

[Cha]

9. Yeah, that shit gives them away everytime. Racist or they're just too damn

lazy and ignorant to stop following profiteering left talking points.

". I knew that the moment they wailed in post after post about why he didn't keep his first promise and shut down Gitmo. If they were half as intelligent as they believe themselves to be, they'd know it was Congress, not President Obama, who stopped him so the blame rest solely on CONGRESS."

[freshwest]

14. Yes, there were numerous states that refused to take the prisoners to come to the USA to get normal

legal treatment and laws were passed in those states. As far a law, in your language I guess you mean could he have vetoed a CR to fund the federal government just on the basis of that alone, really, he cannot. Anyone who suggests such a thing must feel totally removed from the majority of Americans who do depend in part, even if not directly, on government not being shut down.

The media passed on the lie that Obama wanted to bring them here for his stealh Muslim army and the GOP refused to fund what was necessary. Any president can be stopped by lack of funding.

He made the directive and expected the cost of their housing, with either new prisons or being places in existing facilities so they could have the advantage of American trial by jury, which cost millions of dollars to be funded.

It was consistently left out of appropriations. Several GOP elected officials ran on a platform of denying their entry into their states. I posted this before and Obama did not go back on his word.

I used to post at another site daily of what Obama was doing in alternative energy to get us out of the Middle East oil trap. He is working long-term and he sees the whole picture.

I'm as tired as the AAs of DU of posting fact after fact to dispute errors and accusations and when I've got them all linked for someone, they never, ever reply. Which means their deed was done as soon as they put whatever distortion they had.

Is it racist? Is it simply anti-Democratic Party (which is not a neutral position) or some kind of moral high ground?

I don't think so now. My post count, which I have been attacked for, shows I have been active here at DU. I dropped my other posting and do it all here. And I am not paid to post here, I pay DU to post with search features, etc.

It ain't much fun this way and it is deeply hurtful to black AAs who write me the nonstop anti-Obama - atmosphere makes them feel unwelcome.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Thank you for posting this

All of it!

[bravenak]

21. Republicans refuse to fund the closing of Gitmo.

Please stop acting brand new.

[bravenak]

33. Stop blaming all of the countries ills on Obama.

I'm tired of all of the liberals blaming the one black president for everything that has ever happened. He's not your damn boy!! If you want change you get yourself a MF movement and force change through. Don't sit around blaming the black guy for not being a genie. Stop making excuses for yourself and get into the streets, organize, and make your wants known.

You sound like a whiner. There is nothing that man could possibly do that would satisfy you. You need to stop waiting for him to solve all of your little problems and get out there and make some change happen. Black people didn't get civil rights by waiting for the president to just give them to us. It took years of determination and a big fucking movement just to get minor changes. So what have you done to get what you want. Remember, " ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." So handle.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. Look you've been here

Since Monday -

Profile Information
Member since: Mon Jan 27, 2014, 06:03 AM
Number of posts: 39



With 39 posts you come into the African American group and start chastising us like a bunch of little three year olds about being apologists.

Please - oh big smart person - explain to us how we should act, think, and believe and write at DU to make you happy. I mean - I don't want anyone to need the vapors because of little 'ole me.


I mean - I want to make sure this is your safe haven from the IndieTeaPublicans, Republicans, and Teahadist idiot mouth breathers that think people like Rand Paul and Barry Goldwater are 'smart'.

[gLibDem]

41. I didn't realize this was an African American group.

I apologize for that. I saw the post on the most popular list, so I commented on it.

I'll delete my posts so as not to offend anyone.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. I wish you hadn't

That's pretty convenient . . . I'm leaving my posts here for the record.

[gLibDem]

43. I wasn't trying to hide anything.

Clearly some think I'm racist because I hold people to their word.

I deleted my posts so as not to offend others.

[Number23]

44. + a million

These anti-Obama intelligentsia trying to dominate this site and trying to shut people down while posing as Liberals,

[BlueCaliDem]

3. How strange it is that you're not getting a lot of rec's or comments for this post.

They're hoping to sink it and "make the truth all go away" so they can continue to be the prejudiced people they really are.

[Cha]

8. Yeah, why is that?

[gLibDem]

11. Really? So not rec'ing a post is now racist?

[cinnabonbon]

12. it's more a symptom of white privilege

I can't speak for them, but what I interpreted their comment as was: it's telling that people, who benefit from a certain system of racial inequality, would rather not speak up against unfairness -if that unfairness keeps them comfortable.

After all, being silent doesn't do anything. It keeps everything the same. That benefits the one who likes it that way, but not the one that needs the change, wouldn't you say?

[cinnabonbon]

31. Remember who tossed out 'racism' first in our thread. ;)

Last edited Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:33 AM - Edit history (1)

I still don't think they said it was racist. I think they were simply commenting on how the silence of "allies" was telling.

I mean, how are we going to deal with race issues in the Democratic Party if we can't even discuss it? It won't go away if we're quiet enough.

[bravenak]

34. I'm starting to wonder things about you that are not positive.

Thank you for letting us black people know what 'real racism' is and when were allowed to discuss it. It's racist of you to think you can tell us about real racism like you know better than we do. You and I both see racism everyday. Apparently it doesn't bother you. And it bothers me that it doesn't bother you.

[clarice]

67. ok, now I'm confused. nt

[bravenak]

69. He self deleted his previous posts.

Everywhere it says this message has been self deleted by the author, that was him saying something strange.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. Really

Tell us black folk what real racism is. No seriously.

We love when people do that to us.

Welcome to the AA group!

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. You don't understand ...

We love when people do that to us

It's not being done TO us ... it's being done FOR us!

[Number23]

47. I just have to say that I love so many of your posts. You are welcome in this forum anytime

as far as I'm concerned.

it's telling that people, who benefit from a certain system of racial inequality, would rather not speak up against unfairness -if that unfairness keeps them comfortable.

I've been saying that same thing for as long as I can remember. The people here who rail -- and I mean literally RAIL, braying at the moon like wolves in heat -- about the Third Way and how horrible and terrible centrists and moderates are (you know, the folks that make up 80 FUCKING percent of the population) are usually the EXACT SAME PEOPLE that trip over themselves to kick and rec threads that openly pine for a return to the Good Old Days when white folks could work a third as hard and still have 20 times more money and power than everyone else because of racism, sexism, discrimination against sexual orientation etc.

I can't tell if these people are crazy or naive. It's very hard for me to rail about the Third Way (a group I know next to nothing about and couldn't care less about) or the 1% when the person right next to me that's in the same economic boat as I am is all too happy to transport us BOTH back to a time when only he was able to live a comfortable life regardless of his intelligence, abilities or work ethic and seems to want that more than anything else. From where I sit, the 1% is only PART of my problem. These folks pining for FDR and the 1930s are just as big as of a problem for me and my family as any of the groups they rail against and judging by the number of black folks sitting around ranting about the Third Way (which is practically none), I don't think I'm the only person of color who feels this way.

[noiretextatique]

124. true liberals are not the racists on this site

There might be a few fakes. But the solid liberals and progressives I've known here since 2001 are not the problem.

[Jamaal510]

57. It would've gotten more attention in GD,

but yeah...not nearly as many recs as the "Fuck" dude.

[Skittles]

4. the Zimmerman apologists on DU made me sick

insisting that boy HAD to be doing something wrong, that he was such a THREAT

also, I remember thinking, sheesh, if Biden is impressed by an "articulate black man" he cannot get out much - I've worked with (and for) articulate black men for 38 years

[iamthebandfanman]

6. i must have not been coming on DU much

during that time ...

and glad I didn't if what you say is true...

how anyone, let alone a 'liberal', could side with that maniac...
id have to question their intelligence and their sense of morality

[Skittles]

7. OMG

the DU gungeon crawled out from under their rocks daily, insisting that poor Zimmy was defending himself - it was beyond sickening - Zimmerman's story was NOT believable unless you factor in racism, END OF STORY

[F4lconF16]

13. K&R

Because we need to remember we're not perfect, either. Bigotry is just as dangerous coming from liberals as from Tea Partiers, if not more so; at least they're open about it (if not honest). Though this isn't to say that that liberals aren't usually far less bigoted, it is certainly something we should keep in mind. Bigotry is so unfortunately pervasive, and so often terrifyingly quiet.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. I think I like you

Welcome to DU.

[cinnabonbon]

59. Welcome to DU!

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[F4lconF16]

61. Thanks! nt

[freshwest]

15. I wish you'd put a warning on that first week. I feel sick. I dealt with some of this in 2008 and

never got over it.

And they DID vote for Palin.

[beachbum bob]

17. I understand this and seen it in action my whole life

but we mostly go silent on the racism that is reflected back by the black community as if they have a free pass....lets have an honest discussion on racism in America and believe me, its not a one way street....

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Where is the black community

Imposing a series of restrictions on the dominant culture?

And can you give us solid examples of where the black power structure has worked to limit the mobility, freedom, and most basic rights of dominant culture Americans?

Thanks!

[Skittles]

36. it's called deflection

it's like when us gals try to have a serious discussion about domestic violence and the same guys jump in saying WHAT ABOUT WHEN WOMEN ABUSE MEN. See how the discussion is now about THEIR problems? Sure, we know men can be the victims of domestic violence but we also know who bears the overwhelming brunt of the damage.

[clarice]

68. Black Panthers at Philly election?.nt

[bravenak]

70. Did you even read the post you replyed to?

The two guys hanging around a polling station who did not actually bother anybody?? That's systematic oppression of white people? How do you feel about misandry? I'm sure you find that to be a super big problem too. All those big bad women oppressing men like that.


I bet those two black panther guys fixed the system for black people, yes indeedy! Why, now black people have all the jobs and money while white people are being jailed at an unusually high rate, being rejected for jobs they are qualified for, stopped and frisked a thousand percent more than black folks.

The black panthers at the Philly election was either a joke answer or a stupid answer geared toward pissing me off. If it was just to make me mad, I'm sorry for you. If you truly believe that the black panthers at the Philly election is an example of systematic oppression of white people by black people, there's nothing I can say to help you. You are too far gone for treatment and it's best to let things run their course.

[JustAnotherGen]

73. Just in case it gets deleted by the poster

clarice (809 posts)
68. Black Panthers at Philly election?.nt


This poster would also like to see more black leaders take a stronger stand on the Christopher Lane killing - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3513390

Prayers - and rightfully so for Delbert Benton: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023519614


Thinks President Obama should comment on Benton Murder case maybe? Don't know - was wondering why he had not? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3536551

Lighten up Mr. Scorpio - while pretty much laughing off as a joke that a kid got a bullet in his chest: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022677348

For your entertainment - search 'clarice trayvon' - I knew I remembered the interaction with mr scorpio - I pegged him/her with GreenStormCloud. Pages of one liners on that case.

Think we should alert MIRT? In one of those links he/she was pointed out as a troll. At minimum - ejected from this group?

[bravenak]

74. Let her stay!!!

Her ignorance is beautiful in that it absolutely lacks limitations! She'd proves the point I was trying so hard to make.
Black people are the real racists because of 2 or 3 black panther guys. I didn't see them oppressing anybody, they just looked like throwbacks to me. That was simply amazing.

clarice (809 posts)
68. Black Panthers at Philly election?.nt

I actually laughed out loud when I read that. Our school systems suck!! I think we have a fox new viewer right here in the AA group.

[JustAnotherGen]

78. Ha!

Big old snorty laugh about a Fox Viewer in this group!

Ya know - it could happen. Just saying!

[M0rpheus]

80. LOL!

We shouldn't give her the boot, but I'm pretty sure, she won't be returning for an encore.

That's just how they roll.

[clarice]

86. why would anyone give me the boot, there was no offense meant.

I was simply responding to this question.


"And can you give us solid examples of where the black power structure has worked to limit the mobility, freedom, and most basic rights of dominant culture Americans?"

If differing opinions are not welcome , I will simply simply desist posting here and find a more liberal,
open minded forum. Peace to all.

[JustAnotherGen]

88. Please do

Like at Free Republic. Or Little Green Footballs. Or Breitbart.

Those are the only places where you will find your 'liberal' thinking about those TWO black guys from the Black Panthers in a VAST majority black voting precinct in PA - that had their boots of the necks of White Americans Everywhere!

Your only purpose was to disrupt and say "Look at me! I'm so clever!"

I don't buy your fake apology. You were being insulting.

I had an exchange with someone last night in GD. They were deliberately insulting (a bless your heart) - but at least they owned it. I respect that.

Just be honest with yourself - and then you can be honest with others.

That's all I ask of people.

[clarice]

89. I'm sorry that you misunderstood so completely. Peace and Love.nt

[JustAnotherGen]

91. I did not -

[M0rpheus]

102. Differing opinions are just fine.

However, you have to expect to be shamed when you miss the toilet with a turd like that.

In response, you could have gone several ways, like:
Oops! forgot the tag.
or, I totally misunderstood the question!

Add an apology to the above, and you might have slightly redeemed yourself. Well... not really, but you could have at least tried.

Instead, despite being corrected you double-down by claiming to be the victim and not addressing the content of what you wrote. You know, defending[/] your differing opinions?

[JustAnotherGen]

105. YOU - for the win!

I feel like I just watched my Yankees win the world series.

[M0rpheus]

111. High praise, indeed!*

*Yankees, notwithstanding.

[clarice]

106. Your analogy was most inspiring...Thank you.nt

[M0rpheus]

110. Does that mean you're inspired to defend that opinion of yours now?

Just asking?

[clarice]

112. No, but I am inspired to put you on ignore. bye bye. nt

[M0rpheus]

115. Ah, the classic, "I can't hear you, LALALALALALA!" defense.

Coward.

[Number23]

117. Oh Morpheus, you can use your bitter tears at Dear Clarice putting you on ignore to salt your stew

There, there. We're all here to help you get through the pain.

[M0rpheus]

120. I'm just so devastated...

Whatever shall I do, now that I can say whatever I like about her and she'll... never... Hmmm...

Nevermind.

[LiberalAndProud]

131. Is it wrong that I laughed?

*plunk*

I did. Out loud. Poor petulant child.

[M0rpheus]

132. I'll laugh with you! (again)

[LiberalAndProud]

133. LOL!

You have a gift for the gifs, M0rpheus.

[JustAnotherGen]

113. She's got you on ignore

She can't see you now.

[M0rpheus]

114. Aww, damn! She sure showed me!

[M0rpheus]

77. In context, today's comment makes much more sense.

The racism threads seem to draw them like moths to a flame (thanks, Latest Threads).
I suppose it comes as a great shock when they find out WHERE they're posting that bile.

It's almost as if they'd much rather talk ABOUT black people, than TO them...

[JustAnotherGen]

82. Exactly

Now it's not all DUers - oh no. But when you have that posting history you aren't even the 'about' category - you are in the 'At' category.

You know - I'm not subscribed to the GLBT group - I think I have it hidden. It's not because I disagree - and if you search around you will find I'm very FULL equality for the GLBT community. However - as a straight woman - there are certain things I will never understand. And maybe just maybe that group needs to 'vent'. Much like minorities - by virtue of how they were born - they have a tought row to hoe.

Maybe it's me - maybe I have a sensitivity chip. But even if I didn't have said "chip" - I wouldn't go in and drop a bomb just to be a cutesy wootsie dipsy doodle - you know what I mean?

I'm not saying this poster is ^that^ - it's how I would refere to MYSELF if I behaved that way in a group whose life struggle and life experience I've come to understand I am epathetic to - but sometimes my silence is a greater support to the 'other'.

[clarice]

87. I may not be a pretty woman...

But if you wanted to hurt me with the troll comment, then you succeeded.
That was one of the names that the mean kids called me in Jr High. I never thought I would
hear that again, but it cut bone deep. congratulations.

[JustAnotherGen]

90. Your welcome

For all I know - you are a man.

You can feel free to alert on the comment. Troll is commonly used at DU to identify disruptive 'members'. We've had trolls given a box of pizza that had thousands and thousands of posts.

Oh - and I used to model in Jr High and High School. So I can't relate to feeling unattractive or something some person wrote at the 'other end of the internet' cutting to the bone. Sorry - I'm not sure where you were going with that - but I just can't relate.

This is a web site. If you have 'stuff' and issues from jr. high coming up because of a post here - that's a serious issue you need to explore from within.

Namaste.

[clarice]

92. You said "members".nt

[JustAnotherGen]

93. I thought you were going

bye bye?

[clarice]

94. I haven't decided yet. I'm sure not EVERYONE here is hurtful. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

95. Just so everyone here has a reminder about what this is about

This is clarice - a firm Zimmerman supporter who has a VERY short life at DU (like since the Zimpig trial) who could only come up with ONE world news daily/fox news talking point about racism from blacks towards whites -

clarice (827 posts)
68. Black Panthers at Philly election?.nt

^Her response on post 68^ *tee hee*


I don't do well with professional victims.

Not that I would suggest or anyone here would ever be mean to her. I suspect based on some pm's there's a lot of giggling and snickering going on because this group tends towards kindness. But this group also will not "suffer a fool".

2 Corinthians 11:19-31

For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.

[clarice]

96. Tee Hee? nt.

[bravenak]

99. The black panthers at the Philly election was a joke then?

You should use the sarcasm tag if you're joking in the future. Then we will get the joke.
If it's not a joke, it's a Sarah Palin answer.

[Number23]

118. aw Lawd

a firm Zimmerman supporter



It just keeps getting better and better.

[clarice]

121. (sp?) nt

[bravenak]

122. He said Lawd on purpose.

If you keep acting brand new you will keep being treated like a child.

[Number23]

123. "She"

[bravenak]

97. We don't know what you look like.

I think you have to know that.

[clarice]

98. Yes, I know. Just brought back some bad memories

Probably should have kept that to myself.

[bravenak]

100. Okay.

Sorry you got teased in high school. When boys called me names it was cause they wanted to kiss me behind the relocatables. maybe that was the issue?

[clarice]

101. You must be very beautiful !!!! nt

[bravenak]

103. No. But I did work at about 10 different ' Gentlemens Clubs'.

Boys tend to pick on girls that they like. Or be super nice to them. Otherwise they ignore you.
My sister is the beautiful one. I'm the sexy one.

[clarice]

104. Must be good genes.

I've heard it said that beauty can also be a curse.
Have you and your sister found this to be true?
Can most men see past your exterior and try to discover what you are really about?
Just curious, not trying to be too personal.

[bravenak]

107. I'm not pretty!! No. Not me.

I'd like to think men like me because I'm smart and funny?

My poor sister has to deal with the assholes, so she has only had one boyfriend in her 33 years. I've had four. It's hard for her to find someone whose not looking at her like a prize to be won or bought.
Some would try to call her ugly to get done attention from her.

I didn't have the same issues since I was a nerd in the gifted program. Everybody knew my name and that I was the smart one and hella boring. All I did was read books, play flag football, play video games, and read some more books. They tried to tease me but I didn't notice unless they grabbed my book from me. All you have to say to guys like that is ' I know you like me , but this is not the best way to get my attention' and they ask you out or Leave you alone.

We made a deal in high school not to give anyone the time of day if all they could talk about was our bodies or how pretty we were. So annoying.

Maybe people (boys)teased you at that age to get your attention cause boys at that age are hella stupid.

[clarice]

108. Thanks, you made my day. *smooch* nt

[bravenak]

109. Awesome.

Glad you feel better, girl.

[noiretextatique]

141. a perfect example

For this OP. A real POS

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. Let's make this as ridiculous as that argument really is ...

The two guys hanging around across the street from a polling station in a precinct that is 99.9% Black who did not actually bother anybody?? That's systematic oppression of white people?

[bravenak]

79. I blame the schools.

They must not teach critical thinking in school anymore. I didn't go to college, but I can put 2 and 2 together and I never come up with any other answer than 4.

I thought I'd hear about acorn, but I forgot the Fox News Black Panther meme.
I bet she thought that was hilarious. The black panthers. Good grief!

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. No ...

I blame the "It happens to me too, so it can't be that bad for you, so let's make it about me" phenomena.

[bravenak]

83. That fits better.

Reverse racism is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of in recent memory. That and Misandry, I love Misandry. Whenever I see the word I start laughing before I even know what the persons talking about. I think reverse racism and Misandry are cousins.

[M0rpheus]

71. I'm just gonna give this suggestion the reaction it deserves...

Because 2 guys, acted an ass in front of one polling place, counts as oppression by the Black power structure.
Seriously... Seriously?

[JustAnotherGen]

72. morpheus and bravenak already addressed it

Let me guess - you believe ACORN still needs to be 'defunded' every year by the House Republicans - and that's a good idea.

BTW - they did nothing wrong either.


Prove it if they did.


Gaaaaaaaaaaah - the far reaching influence of the Black Panthers - who by the way are about as effective as the Aryan nation.

Get back to this group when you find a black elected official passing around bigoted jokes about white people.



P.S. Shirley Sherrod was innocent too!

[Number23]

116. Oh my God... NO you didn't

[bravenak]

20. Please give evidence of black people systematically oppressing white people.

It's like your saying that yes white people are racist against us and have been oppressing us, but it offends you when we speak out on it and tell it like it is. It's supposed to make you uncomfortable!!! White people are not the victims in this!!! It hurts to hear us speak out and point out racism? Too bad!! It hurts to know that my own senator thinks it's okay to call people wetbacks. And he's not even close to the worst.

Racism requires power over minority. Otherwise you're just bitching about the majority who would oppress you if they could. It's happened to us before, so were watching our own backs now.

[JustAnotherGen]

22. This

It's happened to us before, so were watching our own backs now.

I was DU'ing last night on the Amanda Knox case and chit chatting about that and the justice system in general with my husband (yeah - fun times in the jag household! ) and reading through the LS "I'm Leaving'Thread - and he shared with me his philosophy -

Going forward - black Americans just need to be in it for themselves. He couldn't articulate why - I'm still scratching my head at that one - but I think maybe what you wrote is what he meant.

He saw this stuff when he moved here in 2001 - but he really SEES it now.

[bravenak]

24. He's right.

We always try to be the bigger better people and that's not working. If we sit down and shut up about it it will just stay like this forever. We need to make people feel something, cause this ignoring us and telling us it's not that bad is pissing me off. And I've noticed it a lot on DU recently and I don't bother saying anything. I think I may have to end my quiet streak. There no way some of these people would even think about saying some of these things to me personally. I usually make them feel small and stupid. It's time to start pointing out peoples racism directly to them and forcing my opinion on them like they do to me.

[Number23]

51. You go girl

It's time to start pointing out peoples racism directly to them and forcing my opinion on them like they do to me.

I got your back. Seriously.

[bravenak]

52. Thank you kindly.

It's very hard for people to handle being confronted directly by someone who won't back down. I may have said some things out if anger but I won't delete them ever. If they can't handle it then they can run me off. It will just prove my point.
They are posting Black Agenda Report articles and that offends me. If I start posting stormfront articles they would be pissed at my 'reverse racism'.

[cinnabonbon]

32. ...

[Number23]

50. There was a great post, I think it was MrScorpio that posted it, about the differences between

racism and bigotry.

Which is something that apparently confuses alot of white people who think that they're being mistreated in Costco because they had long hair is "the same as racism" or that the black guy in 5th grade that liked to beat up white kids was the same as the KKK.

[1StrongBlackMan]

66. That's because it's self-serving ...

Bigotry negatively affects them; whereas, Racism does not.

[beachbum bob]

62. racism is racism, doen't have to be "oppresive" in scope

you demonstrate exactly my point by denying that racism doesn't exist except from whites to blacks..... or whites to any one else. You are dead wrong.

[bravenak]

63. Racism has to be oppressive to have any effect.

I never said that there is no racism from black to white. Show me where I said that. You can't. You made it up.
I said there has been no systematic oppression of whites by blacks. Or by native Americans to whites. Or by aboriginal Australians to whites. Or by Hispanics to whites. Or by Asian Americans to whites.

Kinda seems to me that whites have been doing most of the systematic oppression of minorities in this country since its foundation. I would think that they should fix the racist unequal system that they implemented and benefit from before pointing the finger at the oppressed and screaming racism. It is not our job to fix the racism in America. We are the victims. You wouldn't tell a rape survivor that they needed to be the ones stop rapists from raping.

It takes a startling lack of awareness to claim that racism of blacks against whites is the real race problem in this country.

Are you satisfied now that you know you are wrong? Or do you need me to explain it to you further?
I have all the time you need to help you understand that the real race problem in this country is not caused by black people oppressing white people. Please get that through your head. It will help you navigate through race conversations in the future. Ha!

[JustAnotherGen]

64. Disagree

Racial prejudice and bigotry is universal - in America - Racism is not.

You are mixing up systemic and personal. They are two very different things. I posted down thread a link by Morpheus about how white Americans feel they are oppressed and there is more systemic racism applied towards the dominant culture.

Can you give an example of a systemic oppression of white Americans by Blacks, Natives, Asians, Hispanic/Latinos, Indians, etc etc?

I'll be 41 next month - when I was in University in the early 1990's there were two memes that came from the Republican Party that directly impacted me.

1. Blacks are taking all the slots and financial aid at Universities without merit.

2. Young black women are destroying America by having multiple children out of wedlock, and going on welfare.

Both couldn't be the case. It doesn't make sense. Yet both Gingrich and Buchanan have admitted that those were just two of the memes they used to sweep the house in 1994.


To understand systemic racism - read State of Emergency by Patrick Buchanan. Yes - that Buchanan. . It's interesting reading because he worked in the Admin that perfected "others are taking from you" for Conservative gain. If it is allowed to continue - in 20 years they will photoshop every single picture in existence of MLK to make him a white man.

We are in a state of emergency here. Most recently for the first black President pointing out that Trayvon Martin could have been his son. We have fallen so far down the rabbit hole that any black American just identifying as black is being morphed into "reverse racism".

[JustAnotherGen]

35. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11874874

[Number23]

49. "but we mostly go silent on the racism that is reflected back by the black community

as if they have a free pass..."

???????????????????????????????????????!

[bravenak]

55. Where is my free pass?

Still waiting for free anything.

[bravenak]

23. And I'm tired of people posting things from the Black Agenda Report.

It's like they think all black people agree with Cornell and the gang. And if you disagree with the Black Agenda Report, they may just say something stupid like ' so you don't support black publications' . I find it to be terribly racist and I hate that publication.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Amen bravenak!

He's just ONE school of thought as is the BAR in America.

[Number23]

53. Oh my God, I have liked you for a while but I think I may need to come hang out with you now

And I'm tired of people posting things from the Black Agenda Report.

Girl, all you have to do is look at the CALIBRE of the folks that rely on that bullshit rag to know all you need to know. I can count on one hand the number of black people that think that BAR is for anything other than really unpleasant toilet paper. The fact that this moronic rag is all the rage with a certain crew around here tells me all I need to know about them.

[bravenak]

54. Not religious but Amen!!!

I may have indicated that it was racist to post that shit like its representative of the majority of black folks opinions. I have enraged the masses. I don't feel bad, though, sometimes people need some hard truths from the people who they dismiss.


You can hang out with me. It's cold up here though, but the dro makes up for it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

128. Interestingly ...

the people posting articles from the BAR are using them/it in the same manner that conservatives use C. Thomas and T. Sowell, i.e., "What I'm thinking can't be racist/must be 'right' because see ... a Black person has said it!"

[bravenak]

25. And and and...

Have you noticed it's the same people that say stupid things all the time? No names, but during the Trayvon trial I noticed and it's still the same people.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Yes I do

And I reserve the right to write the names Trayvon or the Zimpig as necessary. Example - we ought not be knocking any other countries justice system after that iNjustice which is just one of many.

My lord I'm becoming militant.

[bravenak]

28. Or you're becoming super brilliant! Nt!!

[Number23]

45. Thrilled to be rec #23!!

And you're right, this is for LiberalStalwart. And BrewmanJax. And AspenRose (make sure you read that link. LS's post from a few days ago could have been cut and pasted from it). And Karenina. And MadMaddie and AngeeIsMad and SemiCharmedQuark (Latina) and StarbucksAnarchist (Indian) and nofurylike (white woman) and NanceGreggs and Uzybone and NatBurner and firedupdem (My GIRL!!) and QuietAmerican and BigotBasher and gclark and Jackeens and, and, and....

This place has never, EVER been strong on diversity. But the fact that this list contains so many people of color that would rather singe their fingers off than post here shows exactly how messed up everything is. Many of these folks were actually run off of DU and if some of these folks had their way around here, the rest of us with melanin that don't subscribe to their "Obama BAD!" like the good lackeys they desperately need us to be would be right behind them.

[JustAnotherGen]

46. FrenchieCat

I was afraid to post here for years because she and nance were so brilliant.

[Number23]

48. Good grief, yes. Frenchiecat. How could I have omitted her?

And it's surely not a coincidence that both of them were run off of DU. And by pretty much the same crowd of lunatics too.

[freshwest]

154. Several AA's have mailed because of my posts supporting PBO and Dems. They don't post anymore.

One of them was goclark who lives in Los Angeles. After a while he wanted to post somewhere else. He's been gone over a year now.

[onpatrol98]

56. FrenchieCat

Wow! But, that's what they do. They minimize you. Until before you know it, you're only for the things they say you should be for...and you just totally ignore your own concerns. Or, at least I guess that's what they hope.

[NOLALady]

60. and

Swamp Rat.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Just for shits and giggles

Im kicking this thread.

[bravenak]

75. Kick!

The black panthers made me kick this thread. They run America now.

[JustAnotherGen]

85. Oh your baaaaad

[Quayblue]

119. +1

What in the hell is scary about that? All black folk voting and people are still frightened. Imagine if they'd showed up at the majority polling place. ZOMMFG!111!!!

[onpatrol98]

84. It get's tough out here...

[Number23]

125. Okay, I just read the link to the article in your OP

If there is any doubt that Black Americans have been exploited by Obama and his Chicago thugs.. ask the tenants who were victims of substandard section 8 housing- Obama let them freeze for an entire bitter Chicago winter without heat- when they complained to their community organizer running for state senate, Barack Obama, asking him for help- they were informed by Obama’s Law office, his office was representing the builder/now landlord causing the problems.

There are no words for this type of racist fuckwittery. And YES these people are Democrats.

But you got to love how desperately CONCERNED they are for us. The reason they hate Obama so much is because he didn't take care of US and yet, we were still so blind and stupid that we voted for him again in 2012. Why can't we be as smart as them??? WHY must we be so stupid!??!

We need the PUMAs to show us the way!!!! Show us, sweet PUMAs!

[1StrongBlackMan]

126. SheShe2 posted this thread ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251354643

Talking about the coalition that elected President Obama. It is a good piece.

But the 2 responses (before mine) are exemplars of the racial cluelessness that is within the Democratic Party ... well, actually ... that is DU.

[JustAnotherGen]

127. I want to add the thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024544941


It's not racism - but it's the "I know better than the blacks" mentality that has me here. Thank God a native American member stepped in near the very end.

[heaven05]

129. Bigotry and racism is, I say for the thousandth time,

systemic and institutionalized in america. 300 years and STILL counting. White privilege and sense of entitlement is even more entrenched and hung on to today and I suspect some of the racism and bigotry has to do with white fear, according to studies, of the majority race fast becoming the minority race in this country.. And yes the zimpig trial opened my eyes about a lot of so-called liberals on DU's site. Taught me a large lesson about my fellow 'liberal and progressives' on this site. And yes I was pretty angry at our POTUS for a while for not following through on promises I voted for. Yet once I really delved into the politics of obstructionism based on racism both legislatively and judicially, my POTUS got a BIG pass. No POTUS has faced the level of hate based solely on his color as my President has in the LAST SIX YEARS. The death threats are off the charts compared to other CE's. What you want to bet at least 75 percent of them come from Rush Limpig followers, Beckheads and duck dynasty assholes based strictly on his color? No. America is not anywhere near being past racism. The Democratic party has racists who hate blacks just like any other organized group in america. MAYBE, just less than, say, the republican party.

[bravenak]

130. I was told to stay out of the discussion today.

And that I'm out of my element.

On a race thread.

I couldn't help laughing.

[onpatrol98]

134. See...see

See you just don't understand the fundamentals of the current race situation in America, Bravenak...you've been fooled.

What did W say???

See..."There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

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And, by the way...they can't give us their jobs!!!
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And, see...privilege is a heavy word. It's really heavy. It's got like a 4 word definition...but, still. I mean calling someone privileged is like...just the BIGGEST insult in the world. And, they're not gonna to take it anymore. Not, no more!!! But, you are allowed to use other terms.

List of approved words for non uppity black folk.
1) Tea Party
2) Racial Discrimination
3) Bigot...(You are allowed to use this one...as long as you don't combine it with White or Privilege...)
4) Mississippi or South...if it's bad.
5) Rethug (I think this is code for Republican Thug...but shorter...)
6) Obama in a negative light
7) Anything dealing with William & Kate or the Queen...if it's positive (I don't get it, but work with me.)
8) Fried Chicken
9) Watermelon
10) Any variation or nickname for pot (weed...wait, that's the only other word I know.)
11) Any vulgar language...the F one is especially popular.

List of unapproved words for uppity black folk.
1) White
2) Privilege
3) White Privilege
4) Obama...in a positive light

If you can just remember this list, you won't offend the nice white folk. (For some reason that reminds me of The Color Purple & Mrs. Millie). See, the list of approved words is longer. Now, memorize the list. Come back tomorrow, with a better attitude. And, you can sit in the kitchen instead of the back porch...if it's raining.

Remember..."F%$K" is a good word. P-r-i-v-i-l-e-g-e is a bad word.

...AND ALWAYS GIVE UP THE MICROPHONE!!! We ain't saying nothing important, anyhow...This was lesson one. There will be a test tomorrow.

[bravenak]

135. Shame on me for not knowing da rules !!

What can I say to this other than it's true?? Today was an eye opening experience, not in a good way, and very educational.

It does feel like I'm Miss Sophia hanging with a bunch of Miss Millie's.

[JustAnotherGen]

140. This should have been its own thread

Sheer brilliance!

[onpatrol98]

136. Shucks...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4582205

I had the rule book AND still got told to "shut the hell up"...

[bravenak]

137. Why does that man think we want his job?

He scares me.

[LiberalAndProud]

138. When they don't get it

they really don't get it. I'd have hidden that post in a heartbeat if given the chance.

Remember to obey the law, though. Fuckin' hell.

[M0rpheus]

139. That post was very enlightening.

I just don't have the words right now...

[Number23]

143. Holy Mary Mother of God

How in the sweet hell did I miss THAT shit??!!

That is probably one of the worst posts I've seen here. And I have seen ALOT of really ignorant, divisive crap here. I am so sorry that someone here posted that to you. And I am even more sorry that nobody outside of this forum saw fit to try to defend you. But surely that comes as no surprise to anyone.

I am shocked.

[onpatrol98]

144. I know, right!!!

But, you know what...that's okay. I needed that. Do you know how many jokes we make about the 3 black people at the Tea Party Rallies? If they're clueless, this means I've been clueless, too. There are some good people from all kinds of backgrounds at DU.

But, the others...they're basically vote pimps.

We spend our time supporting the things that are most important to them. Our children continue to die, the people from our communities will continue to be locked up for everything and anything, discrimination will continue to be institutionalized within our government. Because for them...because if they've had ANY KIND OF MISFORTUNE, HARDSHIP, OR SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK HARD LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE...it equates to they don't have a built in privilege. Their kids aren't automatically pulled over, stopped,and shot. But, I need to sit down and shut up.

You know what, Number23...I probably could have been at a Tea Party Rally and not been told that. I would have been supporting some bad policies, and surely there would have been racists in the crowd. But, I'm willing to bet no one would have walked up to me, as a black woman, and told me to get a job, pay my taxes, and shut the hell up.

So, this isn't on him. If I stick around here...it's on me. I've been pondering that, since this incident. Is my self esteem so low, that I'm willing to tolerate that hostile BS on a "democratic" website? Why should DU chastise him? He's not the one in the wrong place...I am.

[JustAnotherGen]

145. Really Good Food For Thought

And on this . . .

I bet you are right -

I probably could have been at a Tea Party Rally and not been told that. I would have been supporting some bad policies, and surely there would have been racists in the crowd. But, I'm willing to bet no one would have walked up to me, as a black woman, and told me to get a job, pay my taxes, and shut the hell up.

And on this -

He's not the one in the wrong place...I am.




You know if this is the Democratic Party at its heart - at its core? I want nothing to do with it. I'd prefer to just vote my financial interests because some party at least is looking out for me in that regard. Yeah - I wrote something like that at DU . . . again.

[Jamaal510]

148. I get the feeling that

many of those who make those type of comments aren't really Democrats. The reason why I think so is because we don't really see any Democrats in the news getting caught making that type of bigoted rhetoric (like with Republicans and Libertarians), plus there is no real way for the admins to tell for sure who is and who isn't a Democrat here. And not too long ago, Tarheel Dem had linked to a thread from the site called "DailyPaul" where they had discussed infiltrating DU.
Yep, I think we may have some wolves in sheep clothing on this site.

[1StrongBlackMan]

149. Well ...

We have, today, a number of DUers that openly declare themselves as Democrats as a 3rd or 4th political descriptor ... so yeah, those who make those type of comments aren't really Democrats ... despite their claims to have contributed to, campaigned for and having voted for President Obama ... twice!

[Number23]

146. There is no doubt in my mind that you are right about this

But, I'm willing to bet no one would have walked up to me, as a black woman, and told me to get a job, pay my taxes, and shut the hell up.

Or even better than "shut up," actually try to dictate how you should discuss the issue of white privilege even if that means they have to twist and convolute the issue into a pretzel. And even more bold, try to dictate how you should discuss ANYTHING here as if you are somebody's employee or child and they get to demand how you address anyone here as if their own behavior is some type of example.

So, this isn't on him. If I stick around here...it's on me. I've been pondering that, since this incident. Is my self esteem so low, that I'm willing to tolerate that hostile BS on a "democratic" website? Why should DU chastise him? He's not the one in the wrong place...I am.

Onpatrol, I know exactly how you feel. Because I feel the same way. And I know some will say that if we leave then "they'll win" but who cares? And what will they have "won" anyway? A web site that most Dems wouldn't step foot in because it's crawling with half-literate "left wing" Libertarians that most rational people wouldn't associate with even if they had to?? Oh yeah, that's some prize right there.

[freshwest]

152. Holy shit! And it's still there and so is he. He was 'flagged for review' but only suspended now.

That was abusive!

[ContraBass Black]

142. I just popped in to visit for the first time in a couple of years...

...and I'm going to pop out for another couple. Good night, all.

[Number23]

147. Hey Black!!!

It's so good to see you!!

I don't blame you one bit for popping in and popping right back out again. Not one bit.

[bravenak]

150. This was so good i had to read it again.

I'm gon kick it one mo time for shits and giggles.

[1StrongBlackMan]

151. Interesting Article ...

http://election.democraticunderground.com/101689601#post1

From the Article:

White Power Anarchism?

Among articles celebrating the rise of fascism in Ukraine, whitepower.us published an article last month called “Ron Paul, Libertarianism, and The Anarchist Connection.” Celebrating an unlikely combination of Murray Bookchin and former speechwriter for Barry Goldwater, Karl Hess, the article proposes an anarchic struggle of the individual against institutions. Ron Paul then becomes a jumping off point for a possible national front under the guise of libertarian promises of freedom.

“hether Ron Paul’s campaign machine would now consider an outreach to include a visible left component—perhaps the OCCUPY movement—is probably not in the cards… However, it is tempting to imagine a new fangled party styled on Libertarian lines: principled, but with fresh blood, a refreshed agenda and a something-we-can-all-agree on platform. Down the road this sort of movement might gain some real political traction; especially if we keep racing down the path towards more muscular restraints on personal freedom.”

Maybe this explains the racism that has poked its head into DU, of late.

[freshwest]

153. Nailed it. Was warned about this in 2008.