gun control

[heaven05]

what would it take for america(racist RW-LW opponents to gun control) to adopt stricter gun control measures? I think we all know.

[MrScorpio]

1. And history shows it as well. nt

[aikoaiko]

2. I ask this knowing it will identify me as clueless, but I don't know what it will take.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. For your consideration . . .

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/gun-control-was-historically-about-represssing-blacks.html

For years – for two centuries, in fact – gun control was a largely Right-wing, reactionary campaign issue, not a Left-wing one. The fact that it has now been adopted by Leftists is very revealing indeed.

Before the 1980s, Right-wingers and racists were the most vocal in demanding that the states in America should strictly circumscribe gun ownership. Where the revolutionary government of 1791 made the second amendment to the US Constitution, which insisted on the right of the citizenry to bear arms as a safeguard against tyrannical government, successive legislators and campaigners who were freaked out by the prospect of former slaves getting hold of guns called for a rethink of this fundamental liberty. So after the Nat Turner rebellion of 1831, when a band of black rebels shot at white slave owners and freed their slaves, the state of Tennessee altered its constitution. Where once it had guaranteed that “the freemen of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence”, post-Nat Turner it said “the free white men of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence”.

Throughout the 1800s, states passed gun-control laws that were fundamentally racist. So, panicked by the prospect of more black rebellions against white landowners, the North Carolina Supreme Court passed a statute in 1840 that said: “If any free negro, mulatto, or free person of colour shall wear or carry about his or her person, or keep in his or her house, any shotgun, musket, rifle, pistol, sword, dagger or bowie-knife… he or she shall be guilty of a misdemanour, and may be indicted therefore.”

In the 1890s, Florida also passed race-specific gun-control laws. Then, in 1941, a judge in Florida’s Supreme Court called the laws into question when he overturned the conviction of a black man for carrying a handgun without a permit. He overturned the conviction, he said, because this law “was passed for the purpose of disarming the negro labourers … and to give the white citizens in sparsely settled areas a better feeling of security. The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied.”

[heaven05]

7. thank you

a wealth of information out there as to why gun control is still the non issue it is to the 'leaders' of the anti-gun control crowd here and elsewhere. And as to under what circumstances it would become a critical issue to that same anti gun control mob.

[aikoaiko]

8. I reread your reply and Heaven's below and I did think I'm following the argument.

In response to the question of what will it take to enact gun control, are you saying that it will take a desire to suppress armed rebellion by Black America?

[JustAnotherGen]

9. Nope

I'm talking about DEFENSE.

Suppressing our ability to defend ourselves.

Example - My Grandfather always voted. He was born at the turn of the last century. His father always voted too - his parents were slaves.

During the second Civil Rights movement he was a known Republican in Alabama. How did he do it? In 1956, 1960, and 1964 those guys in my family went in trucks and they went armed with pistols. In 1964 they voted for LBJ.

That's not an armed rebellion.

It was self defense.

If whites thought you were armed - they would pause before attacking you.

heaven is just about my father's contemporary - he can better explain it . . . As it was his reality.

[heaven05]

14. common defense

and the ability of a POC to defend themselves has always struck fear into the hearts of racists in particular. A black person with a gun makes all people equal. In Vietnam no one called me n***** to my face. Why? If they wanted to start something, we started out on equal footing. May the best man in the end still be standing and yes there were racial problems between the white racist and black men who just weren't going to be cowed any longer, there and here.

My grandfather was hated in our part of Georgia because he saved his money from his army days and got hold of some acreage. A black man with a thriving chicken/vegetable farm had envious people in the disguise of the klan ride down on him one night. These white sheeted cowards planted their cross of white supremacy and hate and lit it. My grandfather, grandmother, uncle and two neighbors stepped out of the house, armed. Someone shot and the round hit my grandmother, not fatally and according to grandfather those scoundrels took off because my family members fired back. They hit someone because there was blood on the lawn the next morning. Not another peep came from the white citizens. He was left in peace and I went many summers to work and build a work ethic on our farm that I am proud of to this day. That fact of an armed POC fighting back against racism still to this day rankles white racists. And to disarm POC all manner of lies are put forth as to the propensity of POC to cause problems because they are armed which is a lie. All races and cultures in this society have their lawbreakers. Period. Tis the human condidtion. But POC are singled out because there are forces in AMERICA THAT WANT TO KEEP US IN FEAR of the white supremacy lie and it just ain't happening.

The only armed rebellion in these days come from the white racists or disgruntled and confused domestic terrorist with assault weapons.

Lot of pertinent information is in responses here if one wishes to research it.

[heaven05]

6. see response 4

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to start your education on why america is still fighting the The Civil War and why a lot of americans are still fighting the Civil and Voting Right Acts of 1964-65. Modern day leader of the march backward to "the good old days" for the american racist is I feel, Trump.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Historically - you are correct

We will also no longer be allowed to be on sidewalks since some Republican will say one person used it as a "deadly weapon". That will lead to licenses and background checks for black people to walk on sidewalks because it's not in the Constitution as a right.

Hey! At least they will finally admit we were not included in the Constitution as we weren't men aka human beings at the time it was written.

This could get ugly at a pretty fast clip.

[heaven05]

5. Constitution and Slavery

Cases: Dred Scott v Sanford 1857
Butler v Perry 1916
Jones v Alfred H. Mayer Co 1968
Memphis v Greene 1981

Provisions in the Original Constitution: Article 1, Section 2(Slaves count as 3/5 a person)
Article 1, Section 9, clause 1 (No power to ban slavery until 1808 in any State)
Article IV, Section 2 (free States cannot protect slaves)

Fugitive Slave Act !850, where the Supreme Court upheld the holding of slaves who had no legal right to escape and any person seeing them, could arrest, hold or hang them depending on circumstances. . Although these human beings being valuable property usually were either sold again or returned to original 'owners'.

Then came the 13th Amendment passed by Congress January 1865, ratified Dec. 1865.

Landmark Cases: Background on the important Dred Scott decision---google this

[Coolest Ranger]

10. i don't know

I have lost all hope. You can't talk to gun supporters. That much is clear.

[JustAnotherGen]

11. I'm in the same space

They won't wake up until it happens to someone they love.

[sheshe2]

12. Hey heaven.

I just want to say hello.

I missed talking to you.

[heaven05]

13. yep

I've been reading and staying informed by the comments you and so many others make concerning the relevant issues facing all POC and interested parties in what I see as an upcoming tumulutous election season. Glad to see you still making your voice heard. Valuable and an asset.