You handled it strangely- my first hidden post!!

[bravenak]

Unfortunately i recieved my first hidden post. Here it goes-

267. You handled it strangely.

This op, is not rude. He says noting but kind things. Other ops call our first black president terrible names and you did not choose to attack that op.
Manny wrote a quite racist op, i did not notice you lock it or chide him.

But this one is rude enough to merit a high level of dissapproval and it is not fair. We feel like we are being run off and judge by a strange standard. It changes based on who you are and i'm asking you to reflect on what i'm saying and to stop now. I will be looking for your name in rude ops of the future and i will be expecting call outs.
A Jury voted 5-2 to hide this post on Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:47 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

I don't feel bad about it. I feel like it just super proved the point i was making in the post.
What do you think? Was it a horrible post that was utterly offensive to you??
Please use gifs liberally. I love them.

[Democracyinkind]

1. I know you're not really asking about my opinion...

... but don't take a hide as an expression of what DU thinks as a whole. Jury verdicts are often rather random.

The Jury tends to work in mysterious ways...

[bravenak]

2. Noted.

I agree.

[Feral Child]

222. Yes, the setup is somewhat subjective.

I think that sometimes it's more of a popularity contest than an evaluation system. Not always, maybe not frequently, but certainly sometimes.

I also think that it often expresses jurors' opinions of the topic, or the poster's stance rather than the post itself.


I'm trying to be nice, but it altered my meaning. What I was trying to say was "bias".

[Warpy]

3. Sometimes they just luck out on juries and get 12 simpletons in real life

and seven of them on DU. It happens.

It happened to me once, too. You can either wait for it to go away after a while or you can do a flounce out of here.



(stolen from one of the foulmouthed knitters I hang out with)

[bravenak]

6. I'm more like thinking it's funny.

Really funny. I literally lol'd when i got the message.

[Warpy]

9. I thought mine was funny and sad

It was sad because there was somebody cruising around, hoping to be offended and 4 people who agreed to be offended, too.

[bravenak]

11. I sometimes wonder if most people are just hoping to be offended about something.

Probably.
I'm not going to take it to heart, it just shows how much work we need to do to help them.

I felt it was funny that i was saying that a white man calling the president piece of shit was accepted and cheered, but a black persons words would be scrutinized and judged harsher. Then they proved me right. Somehow i never feel like a winner when i'm right about something.

[Warpy]

13. Don't forget we're all black words on a white screen

unless we've done some heavy dinking to our computers. People aren't going to see you as anything but another person here.

I find that refreshing.

[kwassa]

18. I disagree, quite strongly.

People will see you as what they know about you, as well as what you write. Some may know few of your posts, some may know many of your posts. Many of the black posters on DU have revealed their race, beliefs, and political leanings, among other things, and other posters know that. Many posters on DU have revealed much about themselves, too.

So, it is quite possible for a jury to react to WHO is posting as much as WHAT they are posting about. I've seen it happen, more than once.

[Number23]

21. kwassa, I agree with you 100%.

And often, it's the ones that do the "omg you're BLACK???!" thing that are the main ones that already know and are doing everything they can to run you off the site.

[kwassa]

26. and it is revealed in the comments on their jury decisions ...

both spoken and unspoken.

Sometimes through comments reveal their distaste for a particular poster because of their history, not the post in question.

Even more interesting are all those who refuse to reveal their position at all, even when their jury decision on a specific post makes no rational sense. These are the "leave it alone" people on a clearly racist post or position.

This jury system sucks.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. ITA

On both of your posts on this thread.

And I'm convinced they don't want us here - after that that dipshit bigot with his Jewish fish post and all of the Internet blow jobs he got - including a big pop from the person who did the cheap spinoff - I'm just saying.

They might not like it - but I see precisely what they are. So I'm just going to keep making fun of them in the margins.

I'm a master at TOS - I know how to stand on the line and I intend to keep doing so.

[kwassa]

39. We have to stand up to the bullshit.

The present version of DU is essentially unmoderated. This works both ways.

We can do this.

[Number23]

42. The posts in this forum prove that although DU is unmoderated, some unmoderated folks

are more equal than others. And as usual, it ain't us. So I would tread very carefully re: standing up to these folks.

The way things are going, we'd all be much more likely to have our posting privileges revoked (TRULY no great loss there) before we'd change anything around here.

[kwassa]

44. Consistency in moderation has never been a hallmark of DU.

even in the better days. Only, it is far worse now.

The new libertarians, basically the selfish self-involved category, seem to be in ascendance around here. They be white, too.

[1StrongBlackMan]

128. You noticed ...

I commented on that ... but the post with hidden.

[kwassa]

132. Welcome to DU.

Did you expect anything different?

[1StrongBlackMan]

127. No ...

they want us here ... In the same way Me and Mrs. !SBM get invited to more dinners and cocktail parties then we could possibly attend,

[M0rpheus]

129. Sounds like a south park reference.

[BainsBane]

81. Story of my life

on DU.

[roody]

177. Am I unusual? I rarely look at the name

of the poster, just the message.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. Some people lead very, very pathetic lives. Their only power comes from a chance to be on a DU jury

It makes me realize how lucky I am that at least I have a life and don't have to LIVE for the chance to vote someone down. Hell, I never report anybody.

I think the "reporters" and the down-voters sit home all day, might be somewhat anti-social, hang out at the pro-NRA area of DU, and maybe are Repuke moles who get a DU subscription, then have to control themselves for a hell of a long time until they're finally caught and get busted, and their account goes bye-bye.

[bravenak]

75. I might have to do a jury blacklist.

That may help i think. Some people take themselves soooo seriously. They are always soapboxin.
Thank you for the insight though, it helps put things into perspective.

[BainsBane]

82. You DEFINITELY have to do a blacklist

[Jackpine Radical]

230. I agree. It's a god idea if you can identify the "problems."

I haven't done it myself, but I certainly know a few I would put on the list if I were to do it.

[ellenrr]

220. +

[heaven05]

216. of course

and ignore their whining and crying about how fair and balanced they are and , and, and.......just give them back what they dished out is my creed, and I dish it back, most times, like a spoonful of castor oil with lemon flavor.... they realize things hours later usually...

[bravenak]

217. Things have not changed much around here...

Seems like they may be a bit worse.

[heaven05]

219. society getting worse

everywhere is getting worse, and in our ranks also.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. I got a hide for asking "Are you living under a rock"?...

if it makes you feel any better....

[bravenak]

30. It does actually.

Thank you!

[sheshe2]

54. I was alerted on Mannys getting laid post.

I said~

Manny haz a sad.

Well to be honest I said much more...etc etc etc. However that was the one he alerted on.

The big man alerted on me himself. Wanted me off his thread. I got a pass and bravenak.... your alert was bogus. As was the hide.

So sorry, however you kicked ass yesterday. I love you for that!

and~

the me me me's~



Nope they get~

[bravenak]

64. I believe he alerted me too.

Poor guy, loves himself dearly. Can't handle getting back what he dishes out.
I'm glad we had a good time together and thank you for making me feel better.

[sheshe2]

90. Oh, I do believe you are correct on the alert.

It was a good day, bravenak...

and to you~

Brava~

[Tuesday Afternoon]

165. I think some one else alerted on you, bravenak.

I could be wrong. Moot point anyway. It was a bad alert whomever alerted and a horrifically bad hide.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

166. Have to admit, I have been guilty of a couple of those myself.

Self Delete is one of my favorite features of DU3

[Warpy]

185. The flame I need to write

to some jackass who richly deserves one never gets to "post." I've always been able to back out of the thread first.

There will soon come a day, I fear, when that will no longer be the case.

[giftedgirl77]

4. It doesn't look hideable to me but you know as

well as I do that if you tangle with the wrong group you're bound to get an alert. The problem is this board can be very ignorant with their deeply held beliefs & it is usually difficult to actually explain reality to them.

[bravenak]

8. Yes yes. I know.

But we have to try to tell them so it doesn't take them by shock when they wake up one day and nobody lets them frame the narrative anymore. I tried.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Nope!

And I read it last night. And the person who 'alerted' is probably the one arguing with you in the thread. Probably never comes back 'here' so got this for ya!

[bravenak]

7. Thank you for the lovely gif!!

I love how they proved the point i was making in that discussion for me. Shut up black lady!!! Damn!!
I had planned on leaving it alone anyway.

[M0rpheus]

10. I take a good nap and all hell breaks loose.

But I'm back now.

[bravenak]

12. Nice one!!

Where is that from?

[M0rpheus]

14. I actually have no idea.

But I've been looking for a reason to use it!

[hedda_foil]

15. I think it might be from the film Gung Ho: a 70s - 80s comedy about Japenese business incursion in U

Imdb says:

Contact the Filmmakers on IMDbPro »
SEE RANK
Gung Ho (1986)
111 min - Comedy | Drama - 14 March 1986 (USA)
6.1 Your rating: -/10 Ratings: 6.1/10 from 7,866 users Metascore: 48/100
Reviews: 40 user | 11 critic | 9 from Metacritic.com
When a Japanese car company buys an American plant, the American liason must mediate the clash of work attitudes between the foreign management and native labor.

Director: Ron Howard
Writers: Edwin Blum (story), Lowell Ganz (story), 3 more credits »
Stars: Michael Keaton, Gedde Watanabe, George Wendt )

More here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091159/

It's very funny but presaged the loss of manufacturing jobs to foreign entities.

[M0rpheus]

19. Actually, I found it.

Dragons Forever (1988)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons_Forever

[Feral Child]

223. I thought I recog'd that from a Jackie Chan film, couldn't place which one.

Big fan.
Cool .gif!

[M0rpheus]

225. Welcome to AA!

If there's an obscure gif that fits my mood, I'll find it!
That one makes me laugh.

[Feral Child]

239. Thanks, MOrpheus!

Cool gif!

[Cali_Democrat]

17. LOL

That's so awesome.

[sheshe2]

91. You have a gif, Mo, and you know how to use it~

[M0rpheus]

94. Making them is an (mostly automated these days) art. I do a lot of finding.

Generally, I save them as I find them.

If I'm looking for something specific, a google image search will usually get me in the general area.

There are places that people post what they have liberally and often such as:
Friday GIF party on IO9.com

Keep in mind that there's absolutely nothing wrong with appropriating a gif as long as you are providing the bandwidth to host it once you do. i use picasa to host at the moment.

Loook around. You'd be amazed at what you can find.
Enjoy!

[sheshe2]

107. Thanks Mo, I will check out those links~

Oh and a special thank you for that first gif of Antonio Banderas, be still my heart~

[freshwest]

202. Ah ha! He's baaack!

[Number23]

16. One thing I have learned is that certain posters here can call the president the most vile names

or openly mock black people or women, but God help ANYONE that dares to call them out on their shit.

And you hit both of those sacred cows (WP and MG) in that one post. It didn't matter that your post was not nasty or hostile in any way. And it sure as shit doesn't matter that every word you said was the truth.

Crap like this is just one more reason that I truly don't understand why I'm here.

[bravenak]

31. I think it was a good thing because they know we know.

I know what happened. The person who likes to shady make fun of black people did not like what i said and his followers followed.

I try my best to be clear with my meaning. I'm glad i let them know how i felt.

[Number23]

43. And that thread also allows us to see who our friends are as well as the haters

HoF members and Obama supporters tend to be the ones that have our backs, loudly and consistently. Speaks volumes about our friends here and even louder about our detractors who also, SHOCKINGLY, seem to be some of the president's loudest ones as well.

Again, I'm sure that's just a coincidence. It's gotta be. Yeah.

[bravenak]

45. I noticed that the best of people, even though they didn't KNOW what was up, were cool as hell.

They just rolled with it and had some fun. The worst ones thought there was some mystery that somehow involved them personally. Hats off to hof, cool people, and those who know how to have a good time.

I want to thank 1SBM for doing that, what he did there. Really opened my eyes up to reality. That is a thread for the ages. He played 12th dimensional chess right there.

[1StrongBlackMan]

149. You're making me blush ...

But yes ... that was my planned intent, not so much to identify "friends" versus "foe"; but rather, to hold up a mirror to DU so that every one willing could see PoC's, and other "minority" groups', chief grievance with DU ... an overwhelming sense of entitlement of certain DUers (accurately described by Kwassa's "ascendant group" comment above) that would have them free to intrude on others, who they believe (by word or deed) are "lesser than."

[1StrongBlackMan]

150. So you are saying/have observed ...

that those that, other out a doubt, make up the Democratic base (that includes Black folks) are less hostile to Black folks than those here that claim to be THE Democratic base?

Hmmm ... Let me think about that ...

[Blue_Tires]

207. +1

[Number23]

20. I have to give serious props to 1SBM. That thread exposed the haters MUCH better than whatever

he was originally planning to post. Or maybe this whole thing has been him playing some 9 dimensional Obama-esque chess and this was the original plan all along???

The haters didn't walk, shit they RAN to out themselves. I think that the person you were talking about in your post was the one that got your post hidden because they made a late appearance in the thread.

What really pisses me of is that someone openly and flat out accused 1SBM of trolling and that post was allowed to stand. Your post telling folks to stop taking all of this so seriously and getting so bent out of shape was hidden. It's unreal.

And I'm sure it's a coincidence of the highest order that the person who accused 1SBM of sitting in his basement trolling is the same one that accused me of not caring about black people. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=5013 I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Really.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. Oh god what a trip down memory lane

Anything else I write in regards to "that one" will cause panty bunching, short sheeting, an alert and a hide.

Honestly - I'm just gonna wait until November 5th.

At that point - all the debates will be one.

[bravenak]

32. I feel like certain people embarrassed themselves.

They really think we can't see through their shit. They can handle praise, but criticism makes them act like the tea party.

[Squinch]

89. I think the people you are referring to are not smart enough to be embarassed.

[bravenak]

122. We know that, they do not.

I wish you had been there. You showed up after i was exiled.

[Squinch]

137. I know. I did come late, but the thread was awesome.

Now, I see you saying you are going to be a bit quiet for a while. Just make sure it isn't for too long!

[bravenak]

144. Best thing since the moon bombing.

By quiet i mean, normal. By normal, i mean staying in my designated zonage. Since i am not a prolific poster anyway. Too many books to read on my kindle. And its bbq season, lets not forget. Alaska is getting more sunlight by the day and midnight bbq's start in may. I should take pictures soon. Oh, and i'm trying to get on the cotton picking crew so i don't have to send my sons to jail this summer to keep them from sitting on the porch. Or my aborted daughters from having any more abortions. My ghost children will be so happy i'm picking cotton this year not just sitting around getting my subsidy with nothing to do.
We need an AA/Hof picture thread soon. Gotta see you all.

[Squinch]

148. Well... You could do all those things to prove your worthiness, or you could just steal

millions of dollars in grazing fees for dozens of years, and then make terrorist statements to the media. Then people will think you are just peachy, too.

I wonder what would happen if you planted cotton on the grazing lands and then picked it... Heads would explode!

Enjoy that sunlight!

[1StrongBlackMan]

152. Well ...

To be honest, I have to say that "that thread" was more effective in pointing out what the original thread's message; but the resulting thread, was more effective because they ouited themselves.

[Jamaal510]

22. I don't see

anything in your post that is against the rules. Obviously not everyone on here is who they claim to be (Democrats and liberals). I've seen people get posts hidden on here who call Ed Snowden names, in addition to having posts allowed that call Obama names (e.g. "sellout", "POS car salesman", "fascist", "authoritarian", etc.).

Even I was unlucky and had my first two posts hidden two months ago. One was a video on YouTube titled "Criminals Gone Wild", and a few people claimed it was "racist", yet I showed it to some other regulars of the AA group here, and nobody really had a problem with it! Some here have touched on this, but it's like people dictating to others what is offensive and what isn't.

The DU jury system works in strange ways. With some of the comments being alerted on, it's basically a matter of lucking out and not having a bunch of hyper-sensitive people or trolls working the jury (and not having people on there who may personally dislike you).

[bravenak]

35. I like how i pointed out in that thread that black people get judged harsher.

Then i was convicted. For saying that.

[Jamaal510]

80. Yeah case in point. eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

153. Which is ...

Some here have touched on this, but it's like people dictating to others what is offensive and what isn't.

Particularly offensive when it is a white person telling a Black person (or, a male telling a female) what is racist (misogynistic) or not.

[M0rpheus]

23. So I finally found the post...

*that was a really good nap!

I didn't find not a thing worth hiding that post.

Sometimes, all you can do is just throw your hands up and let it go.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. I wish you had been around

For the cheap two bit dimestore "spinoff" of 1Strongs thread.

All they had was craptastic static pictures of cats - which I'm allergic to. It needed some Chappelle and well that gif you did right there. Oh - and go look for an op by seabeyond in HOF.

She's loving this shit and I'm telling You - the woman gets it.

[M0rpheus]

33. I didn't miss the knockoff thread.

I saw what I needed to see and did the very thing those other people won't do, I opted out because I had nothing nice to say.


I love it when people I like "get it". I don't poke my head into HOF often, but I like a lot of what I see over there.

[Number23]

47. I didn't even know there was a knock off thread until you guys mentioned it

I just saw it. LORD that was some hot, corny, unfunny, unclever mess. That thread was a big old bowl of stale corn flakes. Of three week old popcorn that they give you at the movie theater in the bad part of town that gives you the runs.

The ONLY and I mean the ONLY thing even remotely funny about that thread is that the eternally bigoted and obnoxious OP who has fooled NO ONE and never has for so long that I truly don't even understand why he still posts here got a post hidden for talking about what he thinks is "their" (meaning black poster's here) shtick.

So he created a big pile of shit and was the only one that fell in it. It's like when conservatives tried to do their own version of the Daily Show. Stupid. Tone deaf. As funny as intestinal parasites and the four minutes it lasted were still way too long.

[JustAnotherGen]

48. Oh let me go look at the

Train wreck again.

[JustAnotherGen]

49. Ha ha ha

He played himself.

[M0rpheus]

50. LOL! that's worth a celebratory dance

[1StrongBlackMan]

154. Wow ...

if "first they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then you win", is the true life cycle of social struggle, then we're on our way ... and oh, yeah, they still get it wrong: they got the ignored part right, but they fought before they tried to laugh.

[sheshe2]

55. Do you have the link JAG?

I worked and missed it!

Thanks~

[JustAnotherGen]

83. Spinoff of 1strongs Nov 5th thread

Just in case he doesn't make it here - putting in Journal for November.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4869010

[1StrongBlackMan]

155. Please post a link to it, I'm curious; but ...

not so much to expend the effort to find it on my own.

[JustAnotherGen]

180. See post 83

[bravenak]

34. Some people, eh?

You can't save everyone. Someone was trying to send us to the underground email road, because you know, we are so rude and arrogant. Yes the word was arrogant. Better than uppity, but still....

[Number23]

69. The gifs!! The gifs are working again!!

Oh praise the Lord! PRAISE HIM!!!

[JustAnotherGen]

84. Go read 1Strongs thread again

M0rpheus and I had soooooo much fun with gifs on that - I've even got Robert Dowey Jr making lovey eyes on it!

[JEFF9K]

29. Hidden posts ...

Reasons that I have been hidden:

1) questioning blind advocacy of drug legalization

2) hinting at the existence of overweight people

3) saying anything that may be illogically misconstrued by 0.00000000000001% of feminists.

[bravenak]

36. You said what about drugs?

Silence!! You know thats the end all be all around here. Most important thing besides the nsa.
I noticed that many place weed legalization above income inequality. I find it bizarre.

[JEFF9K]

37. I will post a thread on Sunday.

[bravenak]

38. Ok.

You know they will try to destroy your soul and question if you are a liberal, right? Stay strong.

[JEFF9K]

135. I think that a real Democrat will be open-minded ...

... and wait for the experiment in Colorado to play out. My thread will be about my belief that the closed-minded, vicious people on the drug threads aren't real Democrats and shouldn't be allowed to post.

I plan to put up the thread at about 7:00 Eastern Standard time. Because of the content, there is a good chance it will be taken down. If you want to watch for it, the title will be "R.I.N.O.s ... D.I.N.O.s..... and ..."

[bravenak]

143. Then we should welcome the discussion.

I will be reading along and if if feel my input is needed i will post on yr thread. Make sure to be careful of your wording, i want to see wht people think without it getting locked. I have strange views on drug legalization. I'm one of the few who do not believe more people will do drugs if legalized and that the taxes are better spent on treatment centers than for jails. But i'm crazy, never forget that.

[lunasun]

40. I read that last night and the only thing offensive was having to be reminded of some posts here in

the past denying outright racist mock lunch menus and that smug counter OP fest
but that is my problem.

Your comment ? no and thanks for asking

[bravenak]

41. Thank you for your answer and your art contribution.

Sorry we had to bring up the past, i hated that mock lunch thing too.
Sound like your problem resembles my problem.
I love that gif.

[JustAnotherGen]

46. Ahh - I have that post for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024472335

I don't have the non apology "bullshitpology" linked but you know - the bullshit was just that.

[MannyGoldstein]

51. Perhaps you shouldn't accuse someone of racist actions

Without presenting evidence and a really good argument as to why that evidence constitutes racism.

That's an awful accusation.

[sheshe2]

56. The written word speaks volumes Manny!

You know that and we know that! Some can even read between the lines~

[MannyGoldstein]

57. No doubt: you are more experienced at reading between the lines

than anyone I know of.

[sheshe2]

59. etc ect etc~

yup I got it!

[sheshe2]

61. BTW Manny...

Why is it that some posters seem to never respond to their own posts... Hmmm let me think a moment on those that hit and run! Oh my gosh! I think I got it!

Yet seem to have a lot to say here. As did another the other night ...on a different thread.

BTW...remember you are posting in AA. It is a group and not a forum!

And never ever underestimate the power of a woman.



Not ever!

[bravenak]

63. More that your crew?

Never that!

[UtahLib]

58. And

some people are much more transparent than they realize, and playing obtuse doesn't quite fly.

[sheshe2]

60. Nailed it UtahLib!

high five!

[1StrongBlackMan]

156. But part of the entitlement is ...

being told by society that you are "smart" whereas, "the other" is stupid.

[bravenak]

62. You need to know that you are transparent.

I saw what you did. You should feel some shame, but all you feel is indignation at being figured out. You like to ridicule AA's with your gefilte (sp) fish post, and expect none of us to comment upon the bigoty mocking we received from you. We see you Manny. It wasn't funny, i found it racist. If it wasn't a mocking thread aimed at AA duers, then explain yourself. You didn't care that you hurt us then, but now we should care what you think? We get enough of that stuff in this country, secret codes aimed against us. You act like you want me to thank you for keeping it going. For being sneakier. No thanks manny. Apologize and i'll leave it alone. Otherwise it is fair game as long as you stand your ground and defend what you did there.

[Number23]

71. Bravenak, the condescending mockery started a long time before the gefilte fish post

That was one in a long line of shit stirring and provocation.

One post from that person about six months or so ago went on and on and on about how horrible things are now (with Obama in office, of course) and if only we could just get back to FDR and the good old days. 2/3 of their posts are pining for the Good Old Days. When a couple of black posters reminded him that for us, the closest we've ever seen to the good old days is right now, he did his typical "what? Who me?" and hid behind his clueless fans who back then were of considerably higher numbers.

You're wrong if you think that the watermelon and fried chicken/gefilte fish was the beginning.

[bravenak]

73. I think i need to go back and take a closer look.

I wonder why he hasn't responded to me? I purposly rarely read what he writes and could never understand the popularity. I never will understand how the fish one got any recs. so fake funny.

And thank you for reminding me how stupid i think the fdr nostalgia is. Like i wanna go back and be some white folkses maid (getting raped) while my sons be lynched for eyeing a white girl. Maybe my man could get a job after the white men got theirs. Or he could be in the segregated military. Or fuck it. We'd just pick cotton so we could really suceed.

At least we do not see the BAR here anymore.

[Bobbie Jo]

102. It's an awful behavior.

The "evidence" is inherent, and to require "proof" is sadly disingenuous.

[JustAnotherGen]

213. This is what we were talking about on December 10th 2014

You acknowledged it in this thread. I was like - huh? I know Manny knows what this is about. You even had Skinner come in here and back you up. He doesn't back up anyone - so that was pretty significant.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5937790

[MADem]

53. You already know how I feel about it...

I think it was a bogus hide.

Do they send you the jury comments when they tell you that your post is hidden?

I'm curious as to how they justified that. I'd also be interested to know what the alerter said, how he shaded the justification.

[bravenak]

65. I forgot you might need to see that.

Well here it goes. Lets play guess the alerter!

Accusing another member of being racist, with no basis in fact. Refuses to point out where the racism is (#354). It's an ugly accusation against someone who has never been known to make racist posts.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Apr 25, 2014, 05:47 AM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: agreed about calling someone a racist, though the whole thread is an absurd joke..
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I find all the drama over Will Pitt after a month to be a lot of overblown whining at this point, I don't see bravenak as saying rrneck is racist, but pointing out a double standard on DU: if you are a member of an oppressed group, your posts and OPs are usually held to a higher level of scrutiny and criticism. That is what she is pointing out.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: over the top attack against a member
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

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[MADem]

66. I think what's RUDE is when people hit the HIDE button on a jury and won't say why.

Un-frigging-believable. The alerter crafted a strawman, and people who didn't read the thread went along with it. You never accused anyone of being a racist.

You could alert on the email and call the whole mess to the attention of the admins. They won't do anything about the alert or hide, but it will put the alerter--whosoever he or she might be -- on their radar. The admins can see who alerted; they know and have a fuller picture than we do.

[bravenak]

67. I think i'm fine with it standing as it is.

Anybody reading it can clearly see that i'm so awesome that some dude wanted to shut me up. I got off lightly compared to what Seabeyond has to deal with.
I'm sure the alerter is very proud and small and strange. I should thank them really. I hope everybody gets to see my post and decide for themselves what to think.

[MADem]

68. They never would undo a hide anyway.

It just helps them down the road, when their bullshit meters get pegged, if they have an awareness of who is acting in good faith, and who is playing games. Though I'll bet they saw that thread--it was a page clicker, and page clickers are money makers in the Internet World.

That alert was just a bridge too far, IMO, and it was all about shutting you up and shutting you out of that thread.

That playing field we were talking about, though, it's a little bit more level up in here!

[bravenak]

70. I knew not to post this in gd. The horror!!!

Some people think they are so much smarter than the rest of us and it upsets their flow to realize that it is the opposite. they gotta shut that whole thing down!!
It was a stupid alert and a stupid hide. But i think thats normal. I always look at hidden posts and alot of them are stupid. There shoud be a review process so that groups don't gang up on people they don't like just for not kissing ass.
I was having so much fun too. I had planned to find some good gifs. Oh well.

[MADem]

79. We can always keep giffing up in here!

Probably a better venue here, anyway!! Start up our OWN Gif Dance Party!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

118. bad alert / bad hide

I have a few of my own. I have my own guess as to who alerted.
Sometimes you have to take a hit for the team.

It was a great thread.

[bravenak]

120. I like how you expressed that.

Yes, taking one for the team is something i do not mind. I loved that thread. I know why they wanted me gone. I am too much fun!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

157. That thread was a lot of fun and I really did not understand the alert or the hide.

You were respectful in tone and the substance was quality.

Meh. It happens. I have four hides myself right now.

20% chance of Jury Duty ... I think they want me Out of the Jury Pool

Although, I never alert (well, rarely alert ,,, haven't alerted in months) and I rarely hide.

I have no blacklist. I go commando in this joint

[Number23]

72. But we should all just THANK GOD that bravenak didn't dare to mention...

FLYING MONKEYS!!1!one!1!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4771921

[bravenak]

74. WTF??

I really do not see what you did wrong there. Am i blind?? Help!!
I feel like Hellen Keller.

Oh, i see. You were not praising he who must not be named. Can't let that stand. I now know from experience not to say anything about that special guy.

The jury should be embarrassed.

[Number23]

76. "he who must not be named.

The Voldemort of DU, huh??

I like it.

Too bad there was no scenes/images of Voldy at a computer. That would have been perfect.

[bravenak]

77. Such a creepy pic!!!

We need one of him at at computer with some flying monkeys to make it funnier. I wish i had a skillset for that.

Btw, did you ever recieve your du approval to be American, and discuss healthcare, even though you were born here and pay taxes?? That tripped me out yo. I loved the i have truely arrived thread. Good one.

[MADem]

78. It's astounding, isn't it?

So much sensitivity when their ox is being gored...and none whatsoever to anyone outside their clique. I remember that thread, that was around the time when I'd decided I'd had enough, too!

I thought that post was hilarious--fair play, certainly. And it wasn't a personal attack, it was a warning to another DUer! I guess the only people who might be offended would be those who secretly knew they were a flying monkey, and were fronting like they weren't one, or something!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

119. Good lord. That was pathetic. n/t

[Skinner]

85. That would have been deleted on DU2 also.

You called someone a racist, and implied that another member is a racist.

[bravenak]

86. No.

I called the op about the fish racist, not him.
I implyed that the other person was judging 1sbm, calling him rude, arrogant, childish, while not noticing much worse things by others. He said in fact, that this was the first time he noticed anything like that. Which i questioned and did not believe.

I do not mind that it was hidden. At all.

[Skinner]

88. I don't know what the op about the fish is.

But your post clearly calls MannyGoldstein racist. And the implication of your post is that rrneck is also racist because he did not respond to MannyGoldstein.

You could certainly try to argue that you only called Manny's OP racist, but did not call Manny racist. But that is kind of like arguing that Cliven Bundy isn't racist, he just said some racist stuff. You can't really separate the person from the comments.

For the record, I am not going to argue whether or not I think your accusation was fair. My point is that the jurors had a reason to decide the way they did. Indeed, I can see the names of the jurors who voted to hide your post and I promise you that they are not all people who are sympathetic to MannyGoldstein's politics, nor are they clueless people.

[kwassa]

92. In my personal opinion, Manny ...

plays this passive-aggressive game where he behaves in an offensive manner, and then pretends he is only joking, and that he should be left off the hook just for that. And, he has lots of friends who support this behavior.

I also took the gefilte fish OP as offensive mockery. And borderline racist, IMHO.

Just my opinion.

[MADem]

126. The only person with issues that are "important" is Manny, you see.

Everyone else can be dismissed, or mocked, or they're "taking it too seriously." Because Manny is just a Big Kidder, and he's so....satirical, and "clever," and oh, doesn't he have a ...way with words... or something. It doesn't resonate with me.

It doesn't quite rise to trolling, but it does rise to "rude, hurtful, disruptive, etc." for a small group of people...who aren't a big enough "critical mass" to wind up on a jury all at the same time to express their displeasure.

That's why the passive-aggressive "game" goes on, but the game isn't funny and it isn't fun, either. It makes DU suck, as the saying goes.

The only thing to do is point it out...it might not do any good (and clearly, it hasn't thus far) but at least maybe it won't be IGNORED quite so readily.

[kwassa]

131. It is about dishonesty. Also, narcissism.

Manny, in my opinion, is all about Manny. If he hasn't personally experienced it, it can't be true. This is not unusual.

This is the error many people make. If it hasn't happened to them, it can't be true.

Almost all of human experience happens outside the realm of the individual experience any one of us, but most don't think that. No matter how empathetic any white person is, or how actually knowledgeable any white person is, they can't actually have the experience of being black in America. The white people must actually learn to accept the perception of those who are black as actually being true.

That is all.

[MADem]

136. +1,000 nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

158. And this truth ...

The white people must actually learn to accept the perception of those who are black as actually being true.

Is most resisted in white "Liberal/Progressive" circles because, then, it is suddenly, not about them!

[boston bean]

93. Obviously you see no issue with racism or sexism on DU.

So sad. You leave the minorities on this board to fend for themselves, then decide that it's them who need to be spoken too about how wrong they are.

Sad is what it is.

[1StrongBlackMan]

159. Well ...

if she hadn'tve gotten herself drunk/high and dressed like a hooker ...

Oh wait ... wrong topic. (The method of dealing with complaining about the original offense confused me.)

[bravenak]

96. You read it though and have no idea what it was.

Ask around and you will see. It was what i said it was. I have no need to make things up. The reason i posted this in AA was because everybody in AA knows what i'm talking about.


He was making fun of black people complaining about a school serving fried chicken and watermelon lunches. That we would decide for ourselves what 'soul food' was. That was his response during black history month. To make fun of all of us. Thats why most of us knew what he was doing. Sorry you will not believe me. I personally do not think that saying something is racist is worse than doing something racist.

[MannyGoldstein]

98. This probably won't help, but just in case...

Last edited Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Here's a post from a while back, http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358 I've added this link to the infamous "gefilte fish" post.

There's a difference between insensitivity and racism. I'll freely admit to being stupid at times, but hopefully not racist.

[bravenak]

104. Here you go.

http://sbcvoices.com/racially-insensitive-jokes-are-racist/

Racially insensitive jokes are racist. Now you know.

[1StrongBlackMan]

160. LOL ...

Noooo ... Tell me he didn't really just play the "accidental Racist"?

[bravenak]

190. I know.

And gave me a link to no where. Like Sarah Palin's bridge. I do not get it.

[kwassa]

112. Insensitivity can be caused by ignorance, which can then be racism.

All racism is ignorance, attitudes passed along without any real factual knowledge. Repeating the ignorance as if it is knowledge is, of course, racist, even if racist without intent to be so. Intent is not required to be factually racist.

The speaker of this ignorance needs to educate themself through listening to those offended.

[MADem]

130. Your link goes nowhere.

Not Found

The requested URL /10024478358. was not found on this server.
Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.democraticunderground.com Port 80

Racism IS insensitivity. It's not just George Wallace with an ax handle, or that idiot with the American flag and the horse...not all "racism" is wrapped up in vicious, spitting and obvious hatred, replete with the "N" word. Sometimes, as the song says, it's carefully taught. And when ya get 'em young, all that racism stuff, why...it becomes part of the landscape. Nothing but a thing, doncha know...

If you are insensitive to the feelings of others when you talk about issues of race, that's racism. If you're insensitive to the feelings of others when you talk about issues of gender, that's sexism.

This isn't rocket science--why are you naively pretending it is? Oh, silly ole me...I'm just stupid, b'gosh! Silly me...I won't do it again!! But then, it DOES happen again....and again....and again.

Your "schtick" is getting old. It's not funny, and it's hurtful.

You should check yourself.

[bettyellen]

139. The racially offensive schtick is very old and doesn't belong here.

You guys are right to call it out. Some posters make a mockery of this place with their daily rat fucking. Not shocked they think racism and sexism are "special interests" that do not deserve respectful discussion. It's pretty damned transparent.

[MADem]

140. I am just sick and tired of people being "sensitive" to criticism of their INSENSITIVITY.

And that's probably as polite as I can manage to say it!

I really do think this is a thing that is making DU suck. When I see something, I'm gonna say something. I've had enough.

[bettyellen]

142. Exactly right. It's like they want a pat on the back for tolerating us.

And my feeling is fuck you guys- we are turning up and winning these races. With little help from you jerks on soapboxes. Fuck that.

[JustAnotherGen]

99. This is the OP

By the magical mythical Manny-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024472335

Skinner - I founded a community years ago - I stepped down from it entirely a few months ago as I'm no longer in step and haven't been for many years. You want tension? Try mixing second wives up whose marriages started with affairs with second wives who were first wives whose marriages ended due to their ex husband's affair. Try managing do not admit lists (extensive due to the nature of child custody cases), any posts related to political or social commentary (tried that board epic fail), and Mormons mixing with Atheists.

I'm sharing this because I understand the ebb and flow of online communities. There are STILL people out there and mad because I gave them the boot years ago. One thing I've learned - cliques form.

My feeling is either don't read someone's posts or put them on ignore. Take what you need and leave the rest.

After that thread by Manny - I decided not to read him anymore. I tried as did many of your other African American members - but we all decided his passive aggressive apology was a load of bullshit.

Now the thread I linked was done by him to mock and laugh at the very real stereotyping of black folks as fried chicken and water melon eating "porch monkeys". MrScorpio had a thread showing why a school was wrong - then Manny - always the peacock had to post that shit.

It's always "I'm so sorry no offense from him." I almost married a guy like that years ago and thank God I had the common sense to tread for daylight. I have very little tolerance for nonsense.

That thread was the nail in the coffin for him for MANY black members of DU and those non black members who saw what he did there. He did that. He did it to himself.

And he's free to do that. But the reality is that we DO "speak" entirely off this site and in the margins he is referred to as a bigot. On a go forward basis - we will keep it off site - but if he is going to behave like a cry baby and come into the AA group when most of us just pass over his posts in GD - it's going to cause discord.

He just had to deliver that punch on this thread didn't he? He can't leave well enough alone.

I'm just being honest with you. You can't make us have one iota of respect for someone who has ZERO respect for our voices - and well . . . Our votes.

[Number23]

108. "You can't make us have one iota of respect for someone who has ZERO respect for our voices"

And at the end of the day, you have summed up the entire crux of the problem in one perfect sentence.

I went and found the OP's longing for the Good Old Days post that did it for me. By the time he'd posted this, I'd long since found him tedious and disruptive, but this was the thread that did it for me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024013403

The "It Getters" as Bobbie Jo calls herself and I love that phrase, are in that thread. Bobbie Jo, frazzled, Raine, J17 and more than a few others tried to get the OP to see how blind and offensive he was being but to no avail. Look at the recs, JAG.

I don't normally respond to this person or even post that often in his OP's but I damn sure did in that one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024013403#post28

And his responses were exactly as dismissive, uninterested and blithely uncaring as I would expect from an "Ivy League" educated "former" Republican. Or the responses he was allowed to give before his loud mouthed and even wronger self-appointed bodyguards jumped in were.

[MADem]

124. +1 nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

161. Great words of advice; but ...

you're missing the factor, that will make/have your words ignored ... For white liberals, being CALLED, or thought of as, a racist, is far worst the actually DOING something racist!

[seabeyond]

171. being CALLED, or thought of as, a racist, is far worst the actually DOING something racist!

that is the reality for whatever messed up reason.

[1StrongBlackMan]

174. The reason is simple ...

the white liberal, in his/her mind, is incapable of doing something racist ... which they limit to: uttering the N-word (except that time when that Black person made them really, really angry) or participating in lynchings, or other harmful acts, done for racial reasons.

So unless they do/have done those terrible things, they can't be racists ... even when they do stuff that others consider racist.

[seabeyond]

176. i got sucked into the maher thread. a white hetero man being cheered almost exclusively by white

hetero men, whining that they get called out saying racist, sexist, homophobic slurs and they do not want blacks, women and gays to challenge their right using slurs.

a whole thread of almost exclusively white hetero men applauding a white hetero man.

i am racist/sexist cause i am pointing out the many white hetero men applauding maher, almost exclusively. and for ME, that would be a light bulb moment. or a wake up call. or a nudge into enlightenment.

but nah. nada. empty. nothing.

lmfao

totally blows me away.

[JustAnotherGen]

179. I just saw this past Friday's

Episode of Bill Maher - the same one at the top of the show he ran the SCOTUS over the coals for their Affirmative Action decision, discussed ageism towards women, disparities in education and questioned why the two unarmed "new black panthers" at the polling place in 2008 were scarier than the sniper on the bridge protecting Bundy.

In context - that op in GD makes no fucking sense. See if you can catch it online - the content of the op is snotty and makes me want to register Republican come 2016 just to flip the bird at the Warren / Sandrs crowd. Snotty begets snotty.

[M0rpheus]

181. You know, I was beginning to think it was just me...

noting the big Warren banners from certain posters.

Im finding myself feeling some kind of way when I see that banner now.

[MADem]

182. I regard a lot of that as "performance art."

Some who use that banner, I believe, think it's like waving a flag in front of a bull--it's not about support, necessarily, it's about goading and baiting. Particularly when the putative candidate has made it clear as new glass that she's finishing her term, she has no national network, no "on the ground" strategy...and she goes HOME to her own state most weekends. No forays to Iowa, or NH, or Chicago, or the west coast.

Some would go so far as to call that whole banner waving business "trolling from the left." I'm not prepared to say that's the case, necessarily, but I do know that this kind of thing does happen--the Paulbots excel at it.

Funny how support for outsider, way left of mainstream candidates (or ones who are wrongly/falsely PERCEIVED that way) often--not always, mind (because you know someone will start whining, and if the shoe doesn't fit they should not wear it) -- is rather strangely accompanied by a dislike for attitudes they regard as "PC." Yeah, we're far left, but we don't acknowledge cultural, racial or gender-based sensitivities! There's also an enthusiasm for many POVs that the Paulbots hold near and dear, and a general unwillingness to acknowledge that people who say they are hurt or insulted have a point.

Majority rules, and if you're not in the majority, well...a big letter six of the alphabet to you!!!

[M0rpheus]

183. this. This. THIS!

Funny how support for outsider, way left of mainstream candidates (or ones who are wrongly/falsely PERCEIVED that way) often--not always, mind (because you know someone will start whining, and if the shoe doesn't fit they should not wear it) -- is rather strangely accompanied by a dislike for attitudes they regard as "PC." Yeah, we're far left, but we don't acknowledge cultural, racial or gender-based sensitivities! There's also an enthusiasm for many POVs that the Paulbots hold near and dear, and a general unwillingness to acknowledge that people who say they are hurt or insulted have a point.

Is exactly what I see. Thank you for spelling it out, cause I didn't feel I could verbalize it as I see it.

[MADem]

184. Why thank you. That is indeed high praise from the gifmaster!!! I am honored!!!! nt

[M0rpheus]

186. Looks like that title is sticking. I'll take it.

My detailed thoughts just never seem to make it to the page due to self-censoring. That's why my posts are generally so short and all the gifs.

I'm always ready to give credit where it's due though. Cheers!

[MADem]

189. Heh--you've EARNED it!

Each one better than the next!

[Dorian Gray]

211. I think this is a good point

(I am a white female, by the way... just to let you know where I'm coming from.) Prejudices and bigotry can be ingrained in societies/families/communities. It's why we need to be open and listen to other people all the time. Dismissing them when they tell us something as being too sensitive is really an asshole thing to do.

Life is our chance to work to be better (or worse people). If someone is going to hold his hands over his ears and scream LALALALALA, there isn't much we can do.

[1StrongBlackMan]

212. Well ....

Life is our chance to work to be better (or worse people). If someone is going to hold his hands over his ears and scream LALALALALA, there isn't much we can do.

PoC know this ... yet we try anyway. But, read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118710497

and more, this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5954753

And then this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025944287

[Dorian Gray]

214. The second article was interesting and

indicative of a problem.

I think that lots of organizers are jumping in on these protests bc they are disaffected with society as a rule. But this particular movement should be led by black voices who rightfully want change in the way police approach and address people in black communities. I think white people should stand next to their peers and march, but let the voices speaking and leading should be black voices. (I do think NYC is doing this pretty well so far. Other areas seem a little more up in the air.)

This is a civil rights thing and I don't like to see people pushing others out or using this movement to put forward their own agenda.

[1StrongBlackMan]

215. You mean ...

like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025960821

[Number23]

243. Damn, why do y'all KEEP KICKING THIS THREAD??!

I just went back and re-read all of those OPs, especially this one - http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024013403

and just got MAD AS SH*T all over again!!

Though it is beyond comforting that the subject of all of this misery isn't NEARLY as beloved in GD as he once was, the fact that he is still here and shit stirring more than ever just makes me

[JustAnotherGen]

244. Well he flat out denied it

About a week and a half ago so I just thought since people were looking for links. Ahhhh - alas - I will be called a racist if I say anything more and Admin won't admonish and chastise the people go say it/write it.

See Number23 - it's only okay to call black people racist and bigots at DU. We have our boots on the necks of white Americans - doncha know?

[JustAnotherGen]

101. This is the smug

I put you in your place non apology:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358


ETA: he notes years ago Republicans on that thread. He should know - I heard a rumor and asked him directly. Believe he voted for Reagan. The Reagan that got elected after his 1976 speech in Mississippi. You know - the guy that started that wave of The Help as Welfare Queens.

[bettyellen]

141. Smug as any other Reagan voting idiot.

[Squinch]

103. It is interesting to see which topics you choose to weigh in on, and how you weigh in on them.

Versions of this conflict have arisen on all kinds of topics, where someone says, "You said something that offended me and I am calling you out on it." Sometimes people are hidden and sometimes not, and you never weigh in.

But it appears to be important to you to instruct Bravenak about the error of her ways in calling out an offensive post. Essentially, you say, "I choose not to acquaint myself with the offensive fish post that sparked this, but clearly you called Manny a racist."

Which, by the way, she didn't. Saying he wrote a racist post is NOT the same as calling him a racist.

[Number23]

105. Spot on brilliant post. And once again, the people of color get told that not only do we not know

what is and is not racist, but that CALLING something racist is so much significantly worse than actually BEING or doing racist things. This is a lesson we've learned a million different times in a million different ways. I have no idea why Skinner felt the need to remind us as if we'd ever forget.

And I don't care who says what, there is nothing that anyone could say to convince me that the fish post was not a deliberate poke in the eye to the few minority posters that remain here. It is entirely consistent with so many of that person's posts and the folks yukking it up in the thread also have antagonistic relationships with many of us as well. Coincidence? Like hell it is.

[Squinch]

133. That post obviously had the intent of antagonizing minority posters. It was obnoxious.

And as you say, pointing that out seems to be a serious no-no, requiring instruction in proper behavior from on high.

It is all seriously backward.

[CreekDog]

210. yes, go into the black group, tell them (indirectly) not to point out when things are racist

[1StrongBlackMan]

162. Just more reinforcement so what we, PoC, suspect/know ...

For white liberals, being CALLED, or thought of as, a racist, is far worst the actually DOING something racist!

[Squinch]

163. I am not a person of color, and it is clear as day to me what is happening here.

So I can only imagine that it would piss me off even more if I were a person of color.

[seabeyond]

167. yes. all this an interesting read. yes. the very few that skinner will validate the hide.

especially how it is generally a minority group challenging the "ism". yes. it is interesting. and so few times. with so few issues. and always.... it is the person that calls out the crap, that is the offender.

just how nicely, delicately, nonchallengingly must we call out "isms" to avoid the hide.

i did not know all this happened either. just find it

consistent, anyway

[CreekDog]

209. well add this to your list of which topics and how:

and I'm going to first highlight a part of this. when a thread on "Jewish Privilege" is posted, maybe he'll see why he was wrong.

or the record: I did email Skinner early on about this thread and offered to delete it if he liked. It is his site. He told me basically I own the thread and the mods don't generally delete peoples' threads.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4971508

The Straight Story (47,722 posts)
496. Good god almighty. What a clusterf*ck. A few notes if I may

1. Didn't know the whole living history of the source as I had never been there before. To be honest, still don't care as it was not relevant to the idea behind the posting. That others care so much and it freaks them all out is somewhat sad. Get over it. One post out of over 45,000 and people get all judgey like.

2. One jury, two host threads, 20 rec's and the thread is still here. If it scarred the adults around here so bad yell at your local neighborhood hosts who brought their personal fights here. Again, it is one thread out of a zillion on du. Seriously? This upsets people and motivates them to action. Probably 20 posts about missing girls in Nigeria but hey, they weren't white kids from Europe so let's just glide on by those posts. Lots of great places to have a discussion and you spent your time here whining about me. Nice. I am flattered.

3. People trying to goad me into replying: I had my say early on in this thread. Trying to bait me into replying to hide a post of mine or just get something off your chest - well , that would be allowing you to control me and my response. So I just sat back and observed. And wow is all I can say.

4. All I was trying to prove was a simple point. Talk about any race other than whites and add privilege and people suddenly get all hypocritical like on the issue. It is like they think white people are a special group, magical even. Talk about one race in one way but condemn those exact same words when using another race...I see a problem there. If you don't, maybe we should have a hundred more threads like this everyday until you do. Funny how that works.

5. Sorry about the source, never read them before, never really had a reason too. Google turns up a lot of things ya know. I have over 60k link karma on reddit, over 45k posts, and that covers a little of the surfing and reading I do. Go ahead. Judge me over it and think I am some while nazi racist over a post or two. Whatever you have to tell yourself to ignore the ideas behind some posts. But hey, I did a little digging myself once people got all up in arms. Checked out the twitter of the author. Not really a fun guy, last I saw he was interviewing someone named greenwald on fox business. I guess all such posts relating to that out to freak you out now.

6. Get out more. Have some fun. This thread turned quickly into a mess. And it wasn't me who did that. Grab a mirror. Trash thread, ignore, don't kick it (I pass by a lot of threads), bash the source like somehow that makes a lick of difference. Whatever. But if this thread was so bad you think for DU don't kick the daylights out of it.

7. For my host friends. What the hell are you doing? Two threads in hosts for about 200 posts. But let's not look at my post for a sec. You have one there with about 40 replies and a basic consensus to lock. But people are fighting that lock because a few hosts don't agree. All the damned infighting here about this post and you can't even bring yourself to from a thread that started Thursday and had more lock votes (looks like 7-2 that day) that day - it is still being debated and it is Monday AM here. If I had felt that strongly over my thread I would have locked it and dealt with it later. It ain't the end of the world if a post stands. Ignore it, move on, and for god's sake don't kick the hell out of something you personally feel is offensive to others (unless maybe you don't really feel that way and have some ulterior motive....)

8. Lastly. I don't see the value of continually replying to my own thread here. I had my say, I stand by it, and if you all see and take away from something is racism and hate based on my post I wish you would spend as much time on my other posts. But then, this being DU, I really don't see that happening. Easier to complain and flame away over some manufactured outrage - lord I wish people had this much emotion over the real issues people post about. Some folks really miss meta and some folks have went to a lot of trouble to make du more about du and how people discuss issues than intelligent commentary on issues.

Enjoy And if some folks hide this I won't be all upset, easier to bury things we don't like than to confront them. I'll see you all around. Oh - and for the record: I did email Skinner early on about this thread and offered to delete it if he liked. It is his site. He told me basically I own the thread and the mods don't generally delete peoples' threads. I got one email from someone asking me to. Again, nice job reaching out to people there hosts. Later.

[MADem]

123. The OP about the fish...there were several posts, the fish among them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358#top

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4518482

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4472335

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024525222#top

[JustAnotherGen]

125. I almost posted a link to the 4th one

But decided - eh? Guy gets away with bloody murder - I would rather he be banned from posting in this group. Since we are such a big effin joke then he can go make snotty little remarks in GD. He came onto this thread and just had to kick Bravenak in the teeth with hs uppity ivy League b.s.

[MADem]

138. Might as well put it all out there, I figure.

Now, there's no question as to how people feel.

I only hope the admins are reading and taking onboard what people are saying, and feeling. This isn't just an inconsequential thing--this has the same vibe as what we used to call in the military a "pattern of misconduct" -- not any one big thing, but a buncha little things. I'll give 'em time, but I hope they get it.

And it's not about "not understanding sarcasm" or "Duuuuh--It's IRONY, you fool!" (no, it's NOT) or "not having a sense of humor." That kind of shit is not "sophisticated," it is the lowest and cheesiest kind of denigration going because it disrespects a person's humanity.

It makes Don Rickles look nuanced and subtle.

THAT is the thing I hope the admins start appreciating.

[seabeyond]

168. gets away with bloody murder. never read his OP. until a couple months ago. and OP calling out

women. oh so subtle, (though if a person was following along no subtly at all), passive aggressive and insulting.

and people pretend.

that was the first manny OP i ever read.

and the last.

passive aggressive is dishonest and cowardly in my opinion. i have no respect for passive aggressive at all. none. nada. nothing.

[boston bean]

147. I would like to add one more..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251318559

[Squinch]

151. Somehow I missed that one. But Boston, its SATIRE! He can say any obnoxious,

aggressively antagonistic thing he wants because it's SATIRE! That, plus the fact that he's a white male, are what make him SUPERIOR! And don't forget all his fans at the "Under the Rock" site. They're all tea baggers, yes, but they're COOL tea baggers.

So if we point out that what he's saying is totally inappropriate, we won't be cool anymore! And we might be chastised!

What to do, what to do, what to do????222threee??????

[seabeyond]

170. yup. you are right on. i soooo didnt know htis shit was going on. fug. i have really

stepped away from du.

yup

[sheshe2]

187. don't forget to read this one~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024637267#top

[seabeyond]

188. now sheshe. i told you. i read one Op and that was enough. some people

i simply refuse to do. people that are into passive aggressive, pretending, that kinda shit, i ignore. i cant do them. cause i cannot do dishonesty, story telling, pretend, jabs done only when soemones head is turned.

but

thanks for sharing, lol

[seabeyond]

169. ya. that. and thank you for your comment to skinner. i think it was spot on. nt

[MADem]

178. Hey, GALS! Ain't THAT special!

My grandmother used to use that word often, my mother as well. "Guys and gals" has a very specific vibe to it, in the right setting, in the right circumstances.

However, I know a put-down when I see it, and in this context, the word "gals" is being used as a cudgel:

Hey gals - what would *you* like to see in Hillary's gown? I think it'll be a great feat to pull off *elegant* and *serious* in one gown. Perhaps a pants gown?

He's certainly an equal opportunity offender! But hey...."lighten up!" It's just SARCASM, after all! Grow a thick skin! Manny being Manny! Oh, isn't he clever how he 'pushes the envelope?' Toughen up! It's all in "good fun!" Stop being so sensitive....stop being one of the "PC Nazis" that Bill Maher was talking about the other night!! What's the matter with YOU?

I could go on but I am sure you get the idea. Corrosive, divisive shit, and it doesn't matter what community gets "the treatment," it's like drain cleaner in plastic pipes--it's gonna fuck up the plumbing. It's not funny. It makes DU suck. It's mean-spirited. I'm tired of it.

I don't expect the DU administration to "do" anything about this particular business, but I think it would be nice if the feelings of the people who are griping, here, were at least recognized, acknowledged and validated.

I really don't think Skinner meant to come off sounding like he did, I don't think he holds any hateful views in his heart at all, but I am not heartened by his comment in this thread. He was too quick to excoriate the "bullied" while ignoring the provocation from Mister Page Click/Post Rec (Isn't he edgy?) that led to the HIDE in the first place.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I think he needs to dig a little deeper. We all do; it's way too easy to be mean in an anonymous forum...don't yell at the kids, don't kick the dog, crap on a DUer!

And that IS just in case anyone is unclear.

[CreekDog]

208. you're telling us, well, the AA group not to call arguments "racist"?

I'm really struggling with the idea that you just said that you don't seem to think it matters whether the argument being called racist actually is racist or not.

Just that you said, ostensibly to a safe haven group for African Americans and African American issues, that they should not call an argument racist because juries might hide it.

I can't believe you would look at this situation and decide the answer is for the racism to stand and people to not call it out.

I've seen a number of arguments for civility but this is beyond the pale.

You doubled down by saying you don't know whether there is racism or not, but that part is really immaterial to you. Really? I can't believe you mean that. I just can't.

...For the record, I am not going to argue whether or not I think your accusation was fair...

I also point out that you and I are white and male and it's pretty easy for us to make the observation that calling someone racist is worse than actually ignoring a statement that is racist.

The problem is, that's actually not true. Calling out racism, prejudice and differential treatment has been the key to ending it.

Why on earth even have an African American group if the one place we've heard to not call an argument "racist" is in this one group?

As a white person, I take exception to the argument that being silent in response to a racist statement is a more civil choice than responding to correct or point it out in hopes that it will stop.

Holy cow, I am incredulous at what advice was given and that it was first given here.

[steve2470]

218. +1000000000000000 nt

[bravenak]

87. I will be keeping a low profile.

PM me if you need me.

[Number23]

106. I'll be joining you. This is exactly why I have not had a star next to my name in like two years.

I see so many people who joined around the same time as I did with like twice as many posts. Crap like what you've gone through is exactly why I don't post as much and don't start OP's outside of this forum anymore.

Bravenak, I know this is place is a tiny speck in the totality of your life, but I am still so sorry that you had to endure this. This place is supposed to be a place for lively, interesting conversation for people who support the Democratic party. But a handful of embittered, poorly educated libertarians have been squatting here for years and have run off so many quality people, particularly posters of color. And as this thread shows, the proprietors couldn't give less than a shit. I am really sorry.

[bravenak]

109. I think i get whats going on and i think it may be time for reflection.

I hear stuff like that all the time and i see it for what it is. Sometimes when people have a friendship with someone it is difficult to see them for what they are. Sometimes its hard to see the negative in ourselves. I will not apologize, for i did nothing wrong but point out the injustice of over noticing what black people do, while being blind to what others do.
I did not expect a pile on from, but i guess i did ask for it by reposting the post.
For the record, Manny admits to the insensitivity of that post, and the insensitivity was racial. Racial insensitivity is racist in my book. If nobody points this out to those who do it, how will they ever know that they are doing anything wrong.
And if they get backed up by other more powerful folks, even though they admit to what they did, what can i do? I can just do me. People that i showed that op to, white folks ( i'm in alaska) also though that it was what i thought it was. But they are younger and much more hip to the times. They have black spouses, kids, friends, and feel personally offended by lets make fun of black people jokes.

I would never pick a minority group and post a thread mocking them. How horrible that those things are seen as okay, but pointing it out is whats really offensive. I'd rather not let this place depress me. I don't like losing respect for people i thought were awesome. So, i will keep myself back here or something between living my life and practicing my spanish.

[Number23]

111. You are just the cutest thing

Mi espanol es muy mal! I would be very sad to see you go but I wouldn't blame you. If I tried to type the names of every black poster that has walked away from DU -- not been tombstoned, WALKED -- I'd be here all day.

Many did the Liberal Stalwart goodbye thread (even though it says that she's posted again in the last few weeks??) but most just walked the fuck off and have never looked back. If you go to the old African American Interest Group (AAIG) on DU2, you will see a slew of names of posters that do not post here and I have it on good authority that many of them would not post here again if you begged. They were as sick and tired of the non-stop hatred of this president and dismissal of our community's concerns and voices (unless it's weed related of course and then all of a sudden the "disenfranchisement of black people" becomes the most important thing in the world!!1 ) as we are now.

So like I said, I would be very sad to see you go. Very sad. But I'd understand completely. To be honest, I have absolutely NO CLUE what's keeping me here. It sure as hell ain't the sparkling conversation and commitment to diversity and Democratic ideals.

[bravenak]

116. It's addictive.

I've noticed i can't stop looking even if i have nothing to say. i like to think that the blacks folks of yesteryear, look at the threads and laugh at us for doing this. Makes me feel so proud that one day, i'll be just like them.
My husband is laughing at me right now for posting this. Says i like pain. I love him to death, he is so funny. He could teach somebody we know how to tell a joke.

[M0rpheus]

117. Ugh...

I'm just angry over this whole thing.



Like I said earlier, I get where you're coming from. You do what you have to. Because this place is not worth the angst in it's current state.

C'mon back when/if you're ready. Until then, we'll keep an eye on the place.

[bravenak]

121. You know, i was mad for less than a minute.

It show that some people cannot stand not being on control of things that do not pertain to them. True colors shining through an all that. I'll leave you with a musical interlude...

Let me know if something i need to know happens. I'm usually low pro anyway so chillin out is my usual thing. that song is how i feel now.

[seabeyond]

172. hmmmmmm. really. deep thought here. cause i did not know any of this shit. hmmmm

and getting pissed.

[gollygee]

95. Accusing people of being racist

is considered the worst thing you can do. It's worse than actually posting something racist, and if the fish thing was the thread about fried chicken and watermelon, I think a large portion of that whole thread was racist. But it's worse to say that than push racist stereotypes.

[bravenak]

97. Oh i know.

Do anything racist you want as long as you code it. I can't believe this.

[JustAnotherGen]

100. You know what's cool though?

You don't care what someone's perception of you is.

You don't have that severe defect of using the Internet as a source of power and validation. Honey - you HAVE a life.

Now go look at my finished family room on Facebook. Our new chaise lounge arrived and The Gio is putting his juried artist skills to good use laying out our wall flare!

[seabeyond]

173. +1. nt

[stage left]

110. I don't think it was a horrible post at all.

You never called anyone a racist, Bravenak. You said that MG posted a racist Op. I read the gefilte fish op and I thought it was mocking and completely insensitive to the feelings of African Americans. Jewish food has never been used to attempt to diminish Jewish Americans in the way that certain foods have been used to try to diminish African Americans. The Op that really shocked me, though, was the one that called our President a POS used car salesman. I felt like I'd been personally punched in the gut. If that one was not universally denounced and expunged, and it wasn't, then nothing at all will ever be bad enough to be hidden on DU, in my opinion. But then, I'm just a Newbie.

[bravenak]

113. Thank you.

I agree. I would not call someone a racist over a racially insensitive op, in part because i think i try to chalk it up to ignorance. Alot of people say racist things that they don't know are hurtful, but do not behave that way in practise. I do not know him to know if he is like that at home, i would guess not.
That op stuck with me because i saw it as a right wing tactic, make fun of the blacks and then pretend you don't know what they are talking about. And the POS op. I have no words to describe how that felt like a punch in the gut, but worse. I had really liked that poster, so i felt a bit hurt.
I read it to my family and they told me to stay the hell away from people like that, they are only on their own side and will only be cool until they don't get what they want. They could care less about you and your needs, because it is all about them. That is life.

Black people are not allowed to call it like it is because it might hurt feelings. Our hurt feelings mean nothing in the world. Were are mocked and then told to grin and bear it. I have other things to do, so they can have their playground for themselves. I'll stay back in the quarters for a while.

[stage left]

114. Don't stay away long.

It's not good for them to get it all their own way.

[bravenak]

115. I wont.

Life is too short to be doing this though. i'll be back.

[DonCoquixote]

134. unmodded

The problem is that the BS artists have cranked their activity so much that the mods are not try to keep up, that and, if we went back to Du2s system (which was superior, despite flaws) then you would have a whole chorus of the usual suspects going "you just won because the mods know you give them more money!"

Now, it is possible for all sorts of tomfoolery to happen,especially as the jurors can do their business with "no explanation given." Now, I realize why anonymous ids are needed, but the fact we do not demand someone to grunt out a sentence for why they imposed their "sentence" is a joke. I have seen people harass feminists on this board, to the point where they brag about getting people canned.

Do not let the scum get you down. The reason they are being sneaky is because they know that there are enough people angry to demand actual change, which means that, no, people of certain social backgrounds will NOT get the default victory anymore.

[bravenak]

145. I so wish i could rec a post.

Thank you for saying this. Really.

[DonCoquixote]

146. no problem

Twas an honor, duty, privilege and pleasure.

and really, since the damage done to the feminists is still there, this angry Puerto Rican boy knows that if they take out the women and Afro-Americans, they will gun for Latinos as well.

SOLIDARITY!

[1StrongBlackMan]

164. Okay ...

Negros (and Negro-lovers, IOW ... traditional Democrats) ... you've had our gripe session. Now, NSA/Snowden's a Hero/Jail the Bankers/Prosecute Bush and Chaney/Legalize Weed/(and let's not forget) INCOME INEQUALITY!

Signed,

Management

[Feral Child]

175. "Jury Nullification"

REC.

[Jamaal510]

191. This entire thread has been interesting to read,

to say the least. I'm learning more and more about the behaviors of certain posters, and what usually has been passing as acceptable on DU.

[Cha]

192. Aloha, bravenak~

Just wanted to give you my love and support, sweetie~



to all racists, bravenak~


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[bravenak]

193. Hey!!

Good photo choice!! We need to spread the message!!

Thank for coming to say wassup!!!

[Cha]

194. I missed the whole

dust up but sheshe was kind enough to let me know. I gotta check in here more!

[bravenak]

195. She was a big help.

It felt like i was on another planet for a bit. You know i can take quite a bit of flack.

[Cha]

196. I know you can!

It's good you have this beautiful AA Forum to write it out and talk it out for catharsis sake!

I just saw this.. President Obama is stopping in your state on the way home..


12:05 PM: Departs Manila, Philippines en route Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska


President Obama embraces an unidentified Filipina World War II veteran after he addressed troops in Manila

TOD

bravenak~

[bravenak]

197. Is this happening soon??

I'm like two miles from elmendorf but no base access.
I'm excited anyway. We need to get this state back blue. The koch ads are running all the time. Yuck!

[Cha]

198. Looks like Prez is already home.. amazing you are two miles from where

he was!

Alaska Time (4 hours behind EDT)

5:25 AM: Arrives in Anchorage, Alaska and Air Force One refuels

****

7:50 AM: Departs Elmendorf Air Force Base en route Washington, DC

****

EDT

5:45 PM: Arrives Joint Base Andrews

****

6:0 PM: Arrives the White House

Same link as above~

[bravenak]

199. One day i'll get to meet him.

Thank you for letting me know, my mom is having a sad since we missed him. She was ready to hop in the ol' suv and race over there.

[Cha]

200. I think I know how your Mom feels, bravenak ..

if I would have been that close and found out later I had missed a chance to at least see him in person.. well..

If I ever hear of him being in your state again I will try to let you know in advance the next time.

[bravenak]

201. Thank you.

I was so close.

[freshwest]

203. Totally out of the loop. Not reading much at DU now. Somebody send me PM, okay? And here's the gif:

Last edited Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Honest, all I see are trolls at DU.

All that I don't already know are trolls to me until proven otherwise, my patience is at an end. I have no use to see the willfully ignorant toss their feces in the air and call it performance art.

I'm never ugly to them even though they tell me to shut up, for trying to discuss things with logic and facts. Those posts are allowed to stand, or so I found out from someone who juried one. The troll did it to many and was tombstoned, and most of his posts were auto-removed. But the one to me was allowed to stay as not being insulting, 6-1, so I got the message. Hurray, LU!

Your post wasn't ugly. There was nothing wrong with that post, but that's how it is here at LU. I'm wondering when this thread is going to be locked.

[bravenak]

204. It is troll paradise.

We have been remarking on the libertarian element. It has been n experience.

[freshwest]

205. Yup, that's what I mean by LU. Invaded by the Idiocracy. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

206. I love that

Yeah - Libertarians are the total idiocracy!

^Last I checked the Libertarian Party exists with a platform - so fair game at DU - right?^
https://www.lp.org/

Will be in interesting to see how the Libertarians in our midst handle being called idiots (insulted) when they aren't even Democratic Party members and don't adhere to the Democratic Party platform. Or a DU jury for that matter.

[Feral Child]

221. I thought it was

extremely gentle and polite. I'm guessing that they chose to interpret you last sentence as "stalking" and "threatening."
Those are just excuses. Your post was quite appropriate to the situation.


Off topic: I've just subscribed to this group. My eyes have recently opened a bit and I can see the covert racism expressed by many DUers. I couldn't see it before. POV, I suppose, but it's out there and it's shameful.

[bravenak]

224. I thought I was being nice too.

You should check out the thread titled 'you can say the craziest things to or about black people..."

During the time period I was labeled the worst racist on DU. YAY!!
Madflo wrote an op about me with hundreds of recs on how horribly racist and ageist I am for some of the posts in my journal. DU lapped it up like a cat with cream and applauded themselves for outing the horrible racist/ageist young black woman. Hundred of older, white, mostly wealthier than me liberals congratulating themselves on destroying me with the written word. Since that day, I am never shocked by Liberals acting like conservatives.
If you want, I'll find you a link.

[Warpy]

226. My first hide was equally stupid and even milder than that

but some self appointed arbiter of DU orthodoxy and perfect manners alerted and got lucky with a jury.

That's all that happened to you, pure dumb luck. Don't take it personally, it's the result of a bunch of people who go around looking for things to be upset over.

And yes, they invariably prove our point when they get lucky with a jury. Chances are that your posts have been alerted on multiple times and the alerter lost by a landslide. I know people have sent me alert pages when it's happened to me. It happens to anybody who tells uncomfortable truths to the comfortable.

Just realize you'd rather see them than be them and move on. You are doing fine here.

It's just annoying when we haven't gotten to enjoy telling people what we really think when a post gets hidden for nothing. It seems like a waste.

[bravenak]

228. You are so right.

Since this op, I have been sent alert pages on the most innocuous of posts. And lately the juries have seemed like popularity contests.
I made damn sure that if it thought i was going to get a hide, to make sure it was worth it. And it was. I got two more for direct fuck yous to somebody. I almost broke my screen on my Ipad typing it out.

[DonCoquixote]

227. sad but not surprised

I will never be a GOP, nor will I fail to vote against the GOP, because I know that helps them get power. I will affirmatively vote for a ham sandwich covered in Maggots than allow a GOP member to win an election, which, at this moment, if you do not vote against whoever is the main oppostion to the GOP someone is doing..

However, there has been a bit of a sad jounrey where i realize I might not ever to be able to happily vote FOR people again, even if they are democrats. You know, I really wish Bill Clinton would apolgize for blowing all those racist and ageist dog whistles in 2008, but he won;t, and he will blow them again if need be in 2016, and we all know many in DU will be blowing them at full volume like some cathedral pipe organ!

[bravenak]

229. Muthafucking DonCoquixote!!!

Me too dammit, me too. I find myself voting against the worst, but i'm not really voting for anybody. Just filling in my bubble to prevent the worst.
The Clinton's hurt my feelings and behaved nastily. They would throw us under the bus, drive over us, and back up. I had never though they would do that. Especially him. I expect nothing from them in the future.

[Cleita]

231. Well welcome to the hidden post society.

In the present DU If you don't have hidden posts you aren't doing your due diligence. Next step is acquiring a stalker or two and being banned from some groups you never posted in.

[bravenak]

232. I could try to get banned from guns or something.

Although they seem to like conversation. Can't wait to get a stalker.... Then I'll know I have arrived!!

[DonCoquixote]

237. is that kind of like

The old quote that "I would not want to be part of a group that would have me as a member", ion other words, if we have not ticke d people off, we have not dione our job?

[malokvale77]

233. I am so sorry that happened to you.

I got 2 hides within minutes of responding to a troll last week.

My account was suspended, and then suddenly reinstated.

The troll is still here.

Be careful.

[bravenak]

234. It was a while back, and I was a bit peeved.

But I have been paying attention to the way the jury system operates and have come to the conclusion that it is hit and miss. You probably had yourself a little alert stalker.
I had a suspension once after two hides in a row. If you say too much true shit at the wrong time, bam!!
I now try not to take DU too seriously.

[malokvale77]

235. I'm right there with you.

Take care.

[DonCoquixote]

238. You know, if half these folks

went to discussionist, they would be happy, if all they wanted was freedom,
but no, they see us as the other, and they want to punish the other, because to them, our existence is the offense.

And sadly, that nasty element wears all flags and faces. I remember when Bill Cosby would slam young people and get lauded because he was the Abel to a rivhard Pryor's cain. Funny what happens when the veils are lifted.

[randys1]

240. What is a pet peeve and do you think my local pet store carries them?

[bravenak]

241. Dork...

[randys1]

242. duck

?25d8db

[Turbineguy]

236. My first post was hidden

As I recall the title was "Hannity tells the truth!" In the body of the post I quoted him as saying "But what do I know, I'm an idiot."

One of the older members spoke up for me and I was restored to full membership at full salary and no loss of social benefits.

It's how things go sometimes.

[gollygee]

245. Meanwhile . . .

A great number of people were called out as a racist, but it's OK when white people call people racist.

On Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:39 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Anyone who believes in racial appropriation is a segregationist and instant racist.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6004237

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Several members of the African American group have had posts out for suggesting people were racist, and they were less blatant about it than this. I wonder if white people also get posts hidden for calling people racist.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:52 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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