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Related: About this forumDear white racists and your fragile fee-fees:
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****************This is Posted in the African-American Group************This was in the comments section at KOS and in my opinion a very good read. I think it's past time that we become a United States of America. We need to take the racists out of our police departments as well as our courts. We need to educate ourselves, to do this we need to stop and listen very carefully. We have the power to change.
Comment was to this OP.
MON SEP 29, 2014 AT 08:34 AM PDT
Dear White Folks, Please Stop Being So 'Surprised' When White Cops Shoot Unarmed Black People
Several weeks ago, Levar Jones, a black motorist, was shot by a white South Carolina state trooper named Sean M. Groubert while complying with the latter's request that he present his drivers license for inspection. This unwarranted and unnecessary use of violence by Groubert was recorded on video. He was fired from The South Carolina State Police and subsequently arrested.
In the United States, the black body is so imperiled and used to being the object of white racial terrorism and violence that Levar Jones, an innocent man, apologized to Sean Groubert after being shot.
If there was not a dashboard camera, Groubert would have concocted one of the typical lies told by police officers--the "criminal" was reaching for a gun; he lunged at me in a "threatening" manner"; it was a "clean" shot because I was in "reasonable fear" of my safety--and been given a commendation and left free to walk the streets where he (or she) would continue to harass and murder other innocent members of the public.
The news media has responded to the video recording of Sean Groubert shooting Levar Jones with surprise. Headlines read that the recording is "shocking" or "unbelievable". The largely white commentariat on TV and elsewhere seem genuinely dismayed at Groubert's actions.
Read More: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/29/1333114/-Dear-White-Folks-Please-Stop-Being-So-Surprised-When-White-Cops-Shoot-Unarmed-Black-People
Dear white racists and your fragile fee-fees:
by eodell on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 08:23:19 AM PDT
Read More: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1333114/54616395#c494
Relax, I'm white, too. Look, I can do the secret handshake and nudge-nudge, wink-wink. Lemme whitesplain something to you, fellow white men: no one buys your bullshit.
That's because your bullshit runs like this: For historically- and presently-oppressed black people to be treated decently, they must carefully avoid doing anything that could be remotely twisted into behaving like a white racist, even if you're squinting and looking at it from five hundred meters away in a thick fog. Because that would be racist, and therefore hypocritical, and if that's the case, they deserve to continue to be oppressed.
Here's the thing you thick-headed assholes totally fail to get: NO ONE DESERVES TO BE OPPRESSED, PERIOD. You can talk all you want about how it's okay for black people to be mistreated if--- but get this, there is no "if". It's not okay, ever. That's why we call it mistreatment. Your error is to think that it's ever justified, and your active misdeed is to constantly search for a justification. Black people, collectively, are not guilty of anything. In fact, a basic principle of civil society is that we reject the notion of collective guilt. Some individual black people, like individual white people, have done bad things, and in those cases, may deserve judicial punishments. But even those people don't deserve mistreatment from some random white guy on the street. And black people in general don't owe anyone anything as a prerequisite for being treated decently. No one does.
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And here's the subtle point that you folks either can't or won't grasp. White privilege is especially the responsibility of white people to fix, not because we're all racist schlubs like you are, but because white privilege itself means that we're the ones who have the power to change it. Black people don't have that power, again because of white privilege, and not because they aren't sufficiently careful in the way they phrase their complaints about being mistreated. It's our problem and our responsibility as white people to fix not because whites are collectively guilty, but because it is the responsibility of ALL PEOPLE to fight for decent treatment for ALL PEOPLE. It just happens that, because of our shithead ancestors and a helping handful of historical accident, we white people are the ones who can do something about it. When the finger on the trigger is white, it's pointless to ask a black guy to lower the gun.
Found Here: http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2014/10/dear-white-racists-buried-among-750.html
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)At the top of your post - I would c/p the notification about where this is posted! This is a real rip doozy as my Gramfeathers used to say! And I loooooove it!
And that guy at Kos is right - white people can change it. We - the minorities can't change the internal lives of those white Americans who refuse to see themselves as they are.
sheshe2
(83,730 posts)Done JAG~
And you are right. It is up to us white people to change it.
Now I really did get it....now it's done
However I liked my other OP add as well~
1dogleft
(164 posts)sheshe2
(83,730 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)I do it like this - Did I hurted-Ed your widdle fweelings?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thank you for posting this.
sheshe2
(83,730 posts)I have to say this just breaks my heart,
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And he kept calling him Sir too. Made me want to cry.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)But he was trying to survive.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hope this acts as a warning to other trigger happy cops. When the cop asked f he was hit, my mouth dropped. It was obvious he hit him, I was just worried h was going to finish him off, but he must have remembered the camera.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Absolutely he was.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)how to be "extra careful," to be afraid, to be overly-courteous, to watch how they speak (their tone of voice), dress, and behave...IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF WHITE PRIVILEGE.
I think those who deny/deflect understand this, but they will never admit that they have this privilege. It'll never happen because their guilt and ego won't allow them to.
Rhiannon12866
(205,161 posts)sheshe2
(83,730 posts)He listened to what his parents told him to survive the street. Yes sir no sir I am sorry sir. My fault sir thank you sir. Yet he survived bless his soul.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Anyone who is given a badge and a gun and the obligation to serve and protect... should be an example of honor, nobility, integrity, compassion and overall decency to the people they serve. As such, they should earn our respect, our praise, our deep gratitude and heartfelt appreciation.
The reality of the situation, unfortunately, is that we have a significant number of socio paths wearing guns and badges that are bringing dishonor and shame to the profession and to all that it stands for. I have known (and still know) several police officers who are good and decent men and women. The problem is that, with every bad example like in the case of Levar Jones... that rest of them are then seen with greater suspicion, mistrust - and outright hostility in some cases.
We need a far stricter standard and set of regulations and obligations for those who are entrusted with public safety. We could start by assuring that we employ officers more likely to consider their minds as their first and greatest tool, as opposed to a taser, pepper spray, or the guns they carry. We could start by mandating - not "diversity training", but the reality of diversity, for example - by mandating that officers of all races, colors, religions and backgrounds be absolutely required to train together on the job, to meet each other's families, and to learn how to behave like decent human beings. To work together, live together, hell, sleep, eat, and shit together if necessary.
There will always be bad people in positions of power and authority. However, we can greatly reduce their significance, their influence and their numbers if we take enough cautionary steps to do so.
Greater education, more intense training, stricter rules and regulations... and specific "life lessons" could go a long way. I have all the respect and admiration in the world for decent police officers - but I have only contempt and utter disregard for those who do not take their obligations seriously. Cowards, bigots and socio paths have no place on the force. Period.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)a perfect closer to a perfect paragraph.
It astounds me how many people just can't seem to get this..
freshwest
(53,661 posts)That comment was Perfect. The language of some sounds familiar. It's why kitty makes that face but says nothing.
betsuni
(25,456 posts)Kitty is correct. I am developing a habit of hurling posts of violin sonatas at these persons. I will pummel them with art, I don't care. They and their bullshit must be mocked.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)brilliant
heaven05
(18,124 posts)treatise teaches and changes just one racist person, it is a small victory in the ongoing quest to find the humanity in an hateful, bigoted sector of american people.
It just seems, seems mind you, that racism and bigotry has made an overt comeback the like I haven't really seen since being a kid in Georgia in the 50's-60's. I truly fear for the unity of these UNITED STATES. Will decent people be able to weather the onslaught of tea party racists and bigots, rw republicans from all states poisoning the halls of power, both state and national, with their racism, bigotry, hate. Corporate fascist power affecting all people, neo-nazis in america, resurgent klan, some libertarians, your run of the mill zimpig and wilson racist, HATE limbegger type radio and internet site(s), Fux 'news' punditry and other MSM manipulation by the KOKO bros?
This ongoing war has been in full swing since MLK, Malcom X, Stokely Carmichael, George Jackson, Angela Davis, I fought for her release and all mentioned were necessary at the time and now also. It time for a new generation of activists like we had to stand up and say, NO YOU WON"T!!!!! .There were small victory's' in civil rights and voting laws that have since been overturned by our 'supreme' court and many, many states.......I am very uneasy and somewhat ready to be paranoid about the people in this hateful culture'. This is not a comfortable nation to live in, especially while driving or just walking down the streets.
Until an article such as in this OP is accepted by the white racist and they change... LOL, or they are able to be extremely marginalized, this nation's peoples are at war with each other with no end in sight.....I expect it to escalate and get worse for all of us....it ain't over yet.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)I believe you. I see it too.
I just wish older black Americans who lived it once - weren't living it in its vocal, loud, and threatening way once again.
Enough.
Behind the Aegis
(53,949 posts)Personally, I am seeing something else as well. It isn't just the resurgence of the overt racism, it is the build up of what I have seen termed as "soft racism." It is that racism which isn't "in your face" but still has a nasty effect. More and more, I see things "getting a pass" or "sliding" and it includes the attacks on anyone daring to point out racism. Sure, there are always going to be those who try to make racism out of nothing, interestingly enough, it's usually white people who do this, but the fact remains, there are little things which keep adding up and over time, will go from soft racism to the hardcore alternative.
Reading your posts and a few others here, I was trying to think how can explain what I am saying in a way that makes sense to others and not just to me in my cluttered mind. So I came up with this analogy; it isn't great, but it is how I am translating what I am seeing. Let's say racism is represented by the color red. You have bright, loud red, which represents outright racism, but red comes in many shades, much like racism. The red (racism) isn't always pronounced. Sometimes, it is pink, or blush. Sometimes, it is vermillion, but what ever the shade, it is still red. The problems today are too many people are becoming more and more comfortable with the shades of red. Sure, red is still bad and should be avoided at all costs, but certainly a little blush now and then isn't really that bad or so many tell themselves. Over time, the blush starts to darken; it is still "blush", just a little closer to red. But red, it is now becoming neon bright, so again, the enhanced blush still seems pale in comparison. Though most of the "shades" of red are found left of center, many of those shades are found center to left now. Those who flirt with the shades of red often get defensive when it is pointed out they are still in the "red family." Case in point, one only needs to look at the anger over the "watermelon toothpaste" comic and compare the reactions to "his only accomplishment is being the first black president." One is red, the other is blush; at least the way I am seeing it. As "red" gets pushed deeper and deeper into the abyss of hate, the cousins of the color often follow in the same direction. Did that make any sense?
For whites, of which I am one, we have to understand it is our responsibility to listen, not hear, and learn. We must be aware of the real situation and not the one we imagine it to be. We need to understand racism from the non-white perspective, instead of trying to frame racism in our view. Empathy is a difficult thing, but it can be done.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)It should be its own post.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and yes your analogy is as people say here, spot on. Thank for further clarity.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)a separate thread just on this point. Amazing!
Thank you so very much!!
Number23
(24,544 posts)No, you are definitely not the only person to see the "his only accomplishment is he's the first black president" for what it was. Ignorance and racial cluelessness, I don't give a damn who said it.
This is what black people have been saying since... forever. Literally. That there is a shit load more to racism than klan rallies and burning crosses in people's yards. Truth be told, alot of black folks wish that was the only racism we had to deal with. At least that is so much more easily spotted than the other crap we have to go through which is so much more harmful and long lasting. I'll never forget MLK saying that the worse thing he ever endured was having to explain to his then 6-year old daughter why she couldn't go to the amusement park that she'd just seen advertised on tv. In so many, many ways, that would be far worse than someone calling me a "nigger."
That "I was at the airport and some people from Sierra Leone were there and they were coughing and I was soooo scared" OP is probably one of the worst I've seen here in a while. And of course, it lead to the "people from THERE should no longer be allowed HERE posts" which have always accompanied such sentiment.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)rather than "chang(ing) one racist person", it causes one "non-racist" white person to pause and think. I care far less about the "racist" - they won't change; it's those that fail to recognize how their actions/inaction support(s) the racists, that can be reached.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)I do, no matter what the color, size or age of the person. And it can be done tactfully as not to bruise the Abusers ego, avoiding further abuse.