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Auggie

(31,130 posts)
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:08 AM May 2015

WTF? Marlins name GM Dan Jennings as new manager (never played or managed pro ball) ...

MIAMI -- Even the mother of the Miami Marlins' new manager is questioning the wisdom of the choice.

Marlins general manager Dan Jennings was selected Monday to replace Mike Redmond in the dugout. Jennings has 31 years of experience in professional baseball, but he never played in the majors and has never managed.

"There's really an element of surprise to everybody here. It is outside the box, I will not deny that," Jennings said at a news conference. "My mom, whom I love deeply, asked me, 'Are you crazy? Have you lost your mind?'"

Redmond, who was in his third season, was fired Sunday after the Marlins nearly were no-hit in a 6-0 loss to Atlanta that completed a three-game sweep. The defeat dropped Miami to 16-22, but team president David Samson said a change had been in the works since the Marlins started 3-11.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12906136/miami-marlins-hire-dan-jennings-replace-mike-redmond

From the link: By going with Jennings, (owner Jeffrey) Loria will avoid the expense of adding someone to the payroll.

Miami has the nucleus of what could be a competitive team. This is crazy.

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WTF? Marlins name GM Dan Jennings as new manager (never played or managed pro ball) ... (Original Post) Auggie May 2015 OP
Unreal--- trumad May 2015 #1
One More Ring Than My Guys Have ProfessorGAC May 2015 #2
He is a cheap bastard RockaFowler May 2015 #3
No one was going to keep him from getting that Major League uniform Capt. Obvious May 2015 #4
Very little about the Marlins surprises me anymore. KamaAina May 2015 #5
It's hard to get exited about these guys. Scurrilous May 2015 #6
The one thing I like about the baseball season it is long enough JonLP24 May 2015 #8
Makes sense JonLP24 May 2015 #7

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
3. He is a cheap bastard
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:02 PM
May 2015

He's still paying for Ozzie Guillen and now Mike Redmond

Oh and as for Redmond - why did he get an extension last year?? He stunk last year, but yeah let's give him an extension.

Look the Marlins problems this year are not all on Redmond. Cishek has been a horrible closer. Stanton can hit the monster dongs, but nearly nothing else right now. Alvarez and Fernandez are still on the Disabled List, so they are down their 2 best pitchers. Morse has been a bust. The only bright spots are Ichiro and Dee Gordon. The Defense is good, but this team cannot hit when they need it.

Oh and Loria is the WORST owner in sports. Hands down. I love the park, but damn did he fleece the Miami residents with that place!

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
6. It's hard to get exited about these guys.
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:25 PM
May 2015

2 weeks or so ago they were 1 win from .500. My interest was somewhat piqued. Now they're 16 & 24. Oy!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. The one thing I like about the baseball season it is long enough
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:45 PM
May 2015

to really sort out the best from the rest. The NFL season is really just a small sample size in terms of determining the best teams but I understand why it is the length it is -- I'm just talking probability here(if it were the NFL then a team losing 1 game to the Cubs would be hyped as this major shocker) as the season is long enough to absorb the streaks (down & up) where at the end you see where they're really at -- especially in a numbers game like baseball. Its like the "hot hand" in basketball where you'll see several go in a row -- a few made, a few missed -- too a poor shooting night in the end make a less than 50% (league average). Its like flipping a coin 500 times and landing on heads 4 or 5 times in a row but the coin is still 50/50.

Then baseball screws up their regular reason with the worst post season system in sports. The "best team" very likely could lose in the wild card game and they play so many games & so few teams it doesn't really work overall as they favor divisions -- Penent races made more sense and I'd love to see that version over this one just who has the luck, streak, the "hot bat", etc is who this formant favors.

There was this book: Trading Bases: How a Wall Street Trader Made a Fortune Betting on Baseball -- Being as someone who wouldn't touch baseball (and still won't unless I significantly improve my mathematics) for gambling as the easiest to bet on but he made sense when in basketball the true favorite has that double legit lead than the coach empties out his bench or football (not from the book) Geno Smith throwing an interception at the end of the game to give Denver the over when the under was in the bag. Anyways, based on "can't run out the clock in baseball" you can take numbers and piece together a model where he went deeper than standard sabermetrics, would have lineups based on all of these things and establish like over 50%, 45% to low chance and said invest into it like a hedge fund. Like use "2% of the fund on the big favorites vary less as you go lower (at-the-end he probably shouldn't have wasted his money on those but overall it was profitable or he would say brought him a "41 percent return" though it didn't start that way. Moneyball the movie had a lot of fiction in it (though I'd say "Trouble with the Curve" had more -- like the polar opposite with the scout who says this guy "just needs to see his mom" and boom he's hitting again and he can "hear" a curveball strike) though one part of it had to be true is Oakland started the season to mid-season down then the numbers rebounded "regression to the mean".

His model struggled early to mid-season based on the long term averages with the baseball pythagoran theorem so day-to-day bets (with lineup changes watched for because one switched for another would change the probability) but based on best as you can with these sort of the things who the best teams were. I remember very well from the book the Rockies finished far lower than his model or system rated "chances are" and the DBacks were the huge outlier finishing far higher than what he rated (the same year the went to Milwauke

I know about nothing when it comes to the team the Marlins have on their team but barring major injuries, if they were one of the top teams you'll probably see them win more than they lose.

Right now Rockies are about where they are but most of the recent seasons they start on the season on fire with Tulowitzki in the Babe Ruth-Barry Bonds (who dominates the top 10 list) with most home runs hit in a 30-day period Carlos Gonzales is a terrific power hitter & those "5-tool" abilities but lacks the consistency Tulo has and both ended up with the injury bug. The problem is attracting pitchers who want out or stay away from the farm system because of their numbers. Its a different team than it was few years ago but they don't have problems finding hitters all they need are quality pitchers -- I was real excited about Nicasio and now I don't even know where he is when looking at the roster. Wow, Jorge De La Rose & Betancourt only names I remember and De La Rosa was there before Chachin or Jimenez. I don't know anything but if the talent is there it will show -- though this in a division where teams proved themselves over multiple seasons.

Sorry for the long post, the "hot hand" & "momentum" probability stuff is interested and kinda figured as much as it always seemed "choked" was used every time someone misses then it got so bad where for awhile the media would cover every missed shot late from Lebron James or overrate Kobe where he always takes the last shot so there are some that go in but actually is below his average since the defense knows who is taking the "last shot". I remember Awsi Dooger and his "overall form" posts on golfers, the same thing applies here. Another thing similar are SI or Madden "curses" since they come at the peak right before they regress to the mean. Plus in football the injury rate is high.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. Makes sense
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:33 AM
May 2015

9 players go up to bat, 9 take the field with 1 pitching -- A statistics analytic, get the guys with best OBP, % on the top -- varying depending on which arm pitcher. You probably want your closer dude to go in after the starter gets tired and go from rest--best of the bullpen.

Figure one that can at the look knowing the probabilities & saber-metrics for each at bat. I'm a big fan of Brian Burke and his analysis, football is a little different because you have formations, designs, plays, etc but I would like him on the coaching staff telling the coach when to go for it, when to slow down the game, hurry up the game, and when to use a high variation strategy. Also whether to call a run or a pass on the down. Coach would have to draw up the plays but he'll tell him "no goal line formation" at 4th & 1 at the 50.

On edit -- years ago when Brian Burke suggested teams should go for it on 4th down more often coaches joked & blew him off but it was Belichick that took his analysis seriously requesting the paper so he can closely examine it. "Conventional wisdom" calls the plays though coaches are looking at the game through their options more these days.

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