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Is everybody OK? (Original Post) rug Dec 2013 OP
Time's person of the year is a judgement on influence in that year... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #1
As was Obama and Einstein. rug Dec 2013 #2
Isn't gloating a sin? SecularMotion Dec 2013 #3
Who are we to judge? rug Dec 2013 #4
Is this post a joke? Feral Child Dec 2013 #5
No, we take things very seriously in here. rug Dec 2013 #8
Thanks, rug. Feral Child Dec 2013 #34
Does The Pope shit in the woods? SecularMotion Dec 2013 #12
On Holy Camping Trips, Feral Child Dec 2013 #35
He is a very influential leader edhopper Dec 2013 #6
You left out Hitler. rug Dec 2013 #9
I was listing recent edhopper Dec 2013 #10
Lol. rug Dec 2013 #11
Maybe some chamomile tea. okasha Dec 2013 #43
I thought he would get Time POY. longship Dec 2013 #7
I'd prefer a shot of irish whiskey. Jim__ Dec 2013 #13
The eternal struggle. rug Dec 2013 #14
Then there's always..... LongTomH Dec 2013 #26
Can't we have both- Whiskey and the Pope? No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #25
hda they elected Jack Hackett, we'd've had a whiskey Pope MisterP Dec 2013 #27
I've had both this afternoon, thanks! cbayer Dec 2013 #15
BTW edhopper Dec 2013 #16
. rug Dec 2013 #17
Not sure what you are going for there. edhopper Dec 2013 #19
9/11 is not the answer to every question. rug Dec 2013 #21
No edhopper Dec 2013 #22
I think you're taking this far too seriously. rug Dec 2013 #23
I'm not talking about your victory lap edhopper Dec 2013 #24
Chamomile. okasha Dec 2013 #44
I'm cool with it. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #18
Another thought on this edhopper Dec 2013 #20
Who said you should be impressed? cbayer Dec 2013 #28
Rug edhopper Dec 2013 #29
Got a quote for that? rug Dec 2013 #30
Your original post edhopper Dec 2013 #31
Given the regular and persisitent Pope-bashing from some quarters, I had concern for my compadres. rug Dec 2013 #32
So you did think edhopper Dec 2013 #33
It's hard to deny that it has some significance. cbayer Dec 2013 #36
What he says: edhopper Dec 2013 #37
He was rooting for #2. rug Dec 2013 #38
And Greenwald is just about selling Greenwald. cbayer Dec 2013 #41
Actually I could really use a cup of tea and a hug. eShirl Dec 2013 #39
All I have is coffee. rug Dec 2013 #40
Whoever created that cover image LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #42
Makes him look a bit like Michelangelo's Moses. okasha Dec 2013 #45
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
1. Time's person of the year is a judgement on influence in that year...
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 05:05 PM
Dec 2013

to put it bluntly, both Hitler and Stalin were persons of the year. Just saying.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. Isn't gloating a sin?
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 05:26 PM
Dec 2013
Is it a sin to be boasting and gloating your happiness towards people?

Best Answer

Separocia answered 4 year ago

I agree, pretty dickish move. I'm a happy content person, but I don't feel the need to slam it in people's faces at every opportunity. Boasting and gloating about being soooo happy really just says to me "i'm insecure, alone and really damned confused..so i'm going to say this to make everyone think my life is so much better than theirs" To be honest if someone boasted and gloated about being so happy to me, I'd pity them. You don't need to boast and gloat about true happiness, you just feel it inside and sure it makes you smile..but the over the top happiness you're describing is fake, and masking a big fault.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100219012433AAGjaBK

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
6. He is a very influential leader
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 05:46 PM
Dec 2013

who has at least given voice to changes in his institution, which has global reach.
Seems appropriate.
Also it is based on impact, not the correctness of the person.

You must be happy that your Pope has joined G W Bush (twice), Ken Starr Rudy Giuliani, and Vladimir Putin as recent honorees.

Do you think this is somehow an affirmation of his actions?

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
10. I was listing recent
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:09 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

recipients. These are the people you proudly put your Pope next to. None of whom are Hitler
If you think it is an honor and not Time's impression of influence, go with it.

You presumption that those of us who have a problem with the Church would find this troublesome is very revealing.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
43. Maybe some chamomile tea.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 06:06 PM
Dec 2013

Where I come from, it's used to calm cranky babies. I'm pretty sure it works for the dyspeptic in general.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. I thought he would get Time POY.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 05:48 PM
Dec 2013

The way his rhetoric has been chewing up the media, to say nothing of Vatican behavior prior to his selection, Francis was the obvious choice for a media outlet like Time Mag.

It was nearly inevitable.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. I've had both this afternoon, thanks!
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:39 PM
Dec 2013

I think he's a good choice and that this may help as he comes up against the old guard (who can probably feel their power slowly slipping away).

Not going to throw a party, but I am optimistic.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
16. BTW
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:44 PM
Dec 2013

As a fellow New Yorker, your post title has a certain resonance and I wouldn't use it for such a trivial and light-hearted thread.
Since that is how we asked after people after 9/11.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
19. Not sure what you are going for there.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:12 PM
Dec 2013

Does telling you that your title has a connection to 9/11 for me make you need a hug and a cup of tea?

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
22. No
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:57 PM
Dec 2013

but that particular phrase; "is everyone OK?", though I believe you did think about it's connection, was something that I heard and said over and over during that time. It resonates with me and a lot of New Yorkers. So 9/11 happens to be the answer to this question.
I guess that is immaterial to you while you do this victory dance for your guy getting such an incredible, meaningful honor. :sarcasm"

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
24. I'm not talking about your victory lap
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 09:06 PM
Dec 2013

For the Pope. I am talking about about your use of that phrase. But I guess inadvertantly upsetting another DU member and fellow New Yorker isn't a big deal. Very Christian of you.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
20. Another thought on this
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:16 PM
Dec 2013

So half a dozen editors from a magazine that has a 10th of the clout it did twenty years ago and sit around pick a person that will sell the most issues, and we should be impressed why?

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
31. Your original post
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:45 AM
Dec 2013

asks if this upsets us and if we need a hug and a cup of tea. If you didn't think we thought it significant, why ask if we are OK?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
32. Given the regular and persisitent Pope-bashing from some quarters, I had concern for my compadres.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:47 AM
Dec 2013

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
33. So you did think
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:49 AM
Dec 2013

we might find it significant.
Ergo my reply to cbayer.
Don't see where you disagree.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
38. He was rooting for #2.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:16 PM
Dec 2013
Nevertheless, Greenwald indicated that the pope was a worthy choice.

"I don't begrudge the choice of Pope Francis: some of his pronouncements are impressive with the potential to achieve real change," Greenwald wrote, before citing others who share his view that Snowden "influenced this year's news events" more than any other.

"But for the reasons which the New Yorker's John Cassidy, the New York Times' Margaret Sullivan, and the Washington Post's Andrea Peterson all stated, Snowden is clearly, by far, the person who has most influenced this year's news events. If it were a serious magazine with minimally brave editors, then of course Snowden would have been chosen, but I never expected him to be precisely because that's not what TIME is."

eShirl

(18,490 posts)
39. Actually I could really use a cup of tea and a hug.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

Thanks!

I can't wait to see what Francis does over the next year.

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
42. Whoever created that cover image
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:01 AM
Dec 2013

Must have a very wicked sense of humor by positioning the pope under the M like that

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