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David Cameron's quip that Easter isn't just about eggs misses the point. Celebrating Christian holidays is socially responsible
Holly Baxter
theguardian.com, Tuesday 15 April 2014 09.35 EDT
Atheism, for me, came gradually. I was never raised in an overtly religious family, although the requisite Christingle decorations were made, I sang hymns at school and occasionally we attended a special service at the local church. At some point I realised I didn't believe in God, and hadn't for a while, which warranted no announcement and batted no eyelids in my family or friendship circles. It was only when I attended university and my experiences diversified that I began to realise just how controversial a lack of faith can be.
I became aware of families who disowned their children for marrying atheists or worse, becoming them. When I went travelling I learned about spaces in which a non-believer would never be welcome; where openly declaring that one eschewed deities altogether was cause for widespread suspicion. And, for the first time, while having a conversation with two of my best friends (both religious), I came across the criticism that when I celebrated Christian holidays in the UK I was nothing more than a hypocrite.
At first I was willing to cheerily accept my perceived hypocrisy and continue on my way, living my life as I choose to, cognitive dissonance knowingly intact. But as I've got older I have come to understand exactly why my atheist family and I celebrate Easter chocolate in abundance, no mention of resurrection necessary and I see no hypocrisy. In fact I have come to realise that acknowledgement of the significance of these holidays is socially responsible.
What reduced trading hours on Sundays and public holidays do for society is force us to step off the treadmill and we shouldn't underestimate that value. There are sound financial arguments for getting rid of reduced Sunday hours or bank holidays. But we hold steadfastly to the Christmas break and the Easter weekend because we collectively value that time as a positive gift from our ancestors.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/15/importance-of-easter-atheist-christian-holidays
libodem
(19,288 posts)It brings a sense of collective purpose to a community. I'm not religious so I use the holidays to think about the seasonal changes and the equinox and solstice. I'm not a very literal atheist because I espouse a set of spiritual beliefs that bring meaning into my life.
rug
(82,333 posts)The theme of rest and restoration is redeeming. Even the idea that nature resurrects every Spring is a good thing to take notice of.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)I grew up in a dysfunctional fundie home... never quite got the literal "Jesus is my Savior" model but there was 'something' I did appreciate about the church, the holidays, and I ended up going to Seminary a decade ago... It is not "Christianity"... it is community, it is ritual that is important to the human spirit...
I have said many times since... what I came to KNOW is (in the Bible) all Jesus was telling us is "Life is a bitch and we're all here to just help each other (including the environment)" ...anything other than that is mere bunk and exploitation
I read this wonderful book for one of my classes... Liberating Rites: Understanding the Transformative Power of Ritual by Tom Driver
Yes, (Christians)... "would do better to concentrate on protecting workers from exploitative systems that force them to work over every holiday. (They) should consider the need for social bonding and time away from the grindstone that unites us all, and therefore concentrate on the most important aspect of (Holidays).
rug
(82,333 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)More to the point, in most of these holidays there are some positive messages (along with negative ones) that one can appreciate, even if one thinks the thing as a whole isn't true.
I have attended services of faiths not my own and found it very educational - both on an intellectual level, but also a spiritual one.
Bryant
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)Alot of it has to do with culture and family. If your family has celebrated Christmas every year and it has become a tradition for you, then you will tend to keep on celebrating it if for no other reason than to join in with the rest of your family.
For example, Christmas and Halloween are both Pagan in origin, and many Christians are well aware of this, but they continue to celebrate anyways. Why? Because they are traditions or as many have told me in the case of X-mas, its not the actual date that matters, but rather the thought that counts.
Personally I like to find secular reasons for the celebrations (solstice or equinox) but with that said, I have to admit that with no kids around my family celebration of Easter and Christmas has become increasingly lazy.
But I do LOVE the cadbury cream eggs we get this time of year
Yumm, yumm!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I have no issue with people celebrating these holidays but I do get upset at the commercialization of these holidays such as Easter and Christmas.
I don't want their meanings water down but unfortunately that is happening.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)If you, as a believer, don't want the religious aspects of the holiday to be "watered down", then her argument that we should embrace the secular nature of these holidays for the good of all is defeated.
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)While I get and respect your sentiments I must say I quite enjoy the family, presents, candy, and fun of the holidays and am quite appreciative of the commercialization of these holidays. If it was solely about the religious beliefs these holidays would be a rather dark time for many of us.
Though, I must say that in regards to Christmas, that alot of the comercialization and celebration of Christmas predates X-anity and harken back to pagan celebrations of Yule, saturnalia, and sol invictus. Including gift giving, christmas trees, holly, the aspects of santa claus derived from Odin, etc.
That and...cadbury creme eggs.
Either way, have a good easter my friend.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I am glad people do and want them to find meaning and a happiness.
I just want the religious meaning never to be forgotten.
Happy Easter to you and enjoy the candy. I am Episcopalian so I enjoy the booze.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Problem is, holidays turn into big family events, that sucks in everyone, even those of us who don't give a shit.
The behavior is not different than the Father In Law not going to Disneyland with the rest of the family this fall. He suffered his slings and arrows for declining to go, just as I would if I said 'you know what, I have something better to do on easter'.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)labor issues exclusively to christian based traditions.
Perhaps a better solution is to re-evaluate the entire system so that people of different faiths have some of their traditional holidays incorporated into standard labor practices.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Went home for Seder. Had to take the time out of her vacation time or take it as a sick day, or simply unpaid. Private, non-profit organization. Not a public entity.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Their most important holidays do not coincide in the least with those celebrated by Christians.
A non-believer or a member of a faith group with no specific holidays could work around whatever vacation periods are designated.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Don't quite get what you meant in your last line.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)author's argument is a good one. That is, it makes sense to make the most of the designated holidays even if you don't share the beliefs.
But if your holidays occur in September and October, the current system really makes that much more difficult.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Initially it was set for your birthday. But they scrapped that and let employees use it as they chose. Your choice. No questions or yes/no judgments.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)the point of religious holidays or any holiday for that matter, as opportunities to step out of it for a bit. Reconnect with friends and family, cultural backgrounds, family customs, spiritual practices, ritual.
I really enjoy Thanksgiving and Easter. And the 4th of July. To some extent, all are wrapped in a kind of cultural or personal myth. For me - I value the lessons of Jesus as passed down by chroniclers, the traditional Thanksgiving story and the national symbolism of Independence Day.
Yet I don't buy it all. I'll likely go by the Mission on Easter, will probably sit down with the family on Thanksgiving for dinner and join the town for 4th of July BBQ and the local band's patriotic pieces.
As far as Easter goes, I don't think you have to be a believer to take time to mark the day for what it means to you. Or not. Whatever that means.