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rug

(82,333 posts)
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:47 PM May 2014

Massachusetts: Pledge of Allegiance Not Religious

May 9, 2014 11:50 AM

BOSTON (AP) — The highest court in Massachusetts has ruled that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools does not discriminate against atheists.

The Supreme Judicial Court on Friday said the words ‘‘under God’’ in the pledge reflect a patriotic practice, not a religious one.

They added that the pledge is entirely voluntary.

An atheist family from Acton sued in 2010 claiming that the daily recitation of the pledge in classrooms violated their three children’s First Amendment rights. The family, who are not identified in the suit, said the ruling insinuates that nonbelievers are less patriotic.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/05/09/massachusetts-pledge-allegiance-not-religious/BrLdHpwMXDNf0SVdlg8ceM/story.html

Here's the decision.

http://www.universalhub.com/2014/jane-doe-others-vs-acton-boxborough-regional

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rug

(82,333 posts)
4. This is their rationale.
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:06 PM
May 2014
In 1954, Congress amended the pledge to include the words "under God." Id. See Pub.L. No. 83-396, 83d Cong., 2d Sess., c. 297, 68 Stat. 249 (1954). The amendment came during the escalation of the Cold War, and there is some indication in the legislative history that the amendment was intended to underscore that the American form of government was "founded on the concept of the individuality and the dignity of the human being," which is grounded in "the belief that the human person is important because he was created by God and endowed by Him with certain inalienable rights which no civil authority may usurp." H.R.Rep. No. 1693, 83d Cong., 2d Sess., at 1-2 (1954). The House Report acknowledges that &quot f)rom the time of our earliest history our peoples and our institutions have reflected the traditional concept that our Nation was founded on a fundamental belief in God." Id. at 2. The report identifies a number of historical statements and documents of the founding fathers and subsequent national leaders that refer expressly to "God," "Nature's God," the "Creator," and like terms, and that reflect an understanding that the Nation was founded on a belief in God, including the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, and the Gettysburg Address. Id. at 2-3. (FN14), (FN15) See School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 213 (1963) ("The fact that the Founding Fathers believed devotedly that there was a God and that the unalienable rights of man were rooted in Him is clearly evidenced in their writings, from the Mayflower Compact to the Constitution itself&quot ; Newdow v. Rio Linda Union Sch. Dist., 597 F.3d 1007, 1032, 1038 (9th Cir.2010) ("The words 'under God' were added as a description of 'one Nation' primarily to reinforce the idea that our nation is founded upon the concept of a limited government, in stark contrast to the unlimited power exercised by communist forms of government"; "A reasonable observer ... aware of the history and origins of the words in the Pledge would view the Pledge as a product of this nation's history and political philosophy&quot . (FN16)

Although the words "under God" undeniably have a religious tinge, courts that have considered the history of the pledge and the presence of those words have consistently concluded that the pledge, notwithstanding its reference to God, is a fundamentally patriotic exercise, not a religious one. See, e.g., Elk Grove Unified Sch. Dist., 542 U.S. at 6 ("As its history illustrates, the Pledge of Allegiance evolved as a common public acknowledgment of the ideals that our flag symbolizes. Its recitation is a patriotic exercise designed to foster national unity and pride in those principles&quot ; Newdow v. Rio Linda Union Sch. Dist., 597 F.3d at 1014 ("We hold that the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the Establishment Clause [of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution] because Congress' ostensible and predominant purpose was to inspire patriotism and that the context of the Pledge--its wording as a whole, the preamble to the statute, and this nation's history--demonstrate that it is a predominantly patriotic exercise. For these reasons, the phrase 'one Nation under God' does not turn this patriotic exercise into a religious activity&quot ; Myers v. Loudon County Pub. Sch., 418 F.3d 395, 407 (4th Cir.2005) (distinguishing constitutional challenge to pledge from school prayer cases because of "the simple fact that the Pledge, unlike prayer, is not a religious exercise or activity, but a patriotic one"; stating that inclusion of words "under God," despite their religious significance, "does not alter the nature of the Pledge as a patriotic activity&quot . It is principally for that reason that all of the Federal appellate courts that have considered a First Amendment challenge to the voluntary recitation of the pledge in public schools, with the words "under God," have held the practice to be constitutional. See Freedom From Religion Found. v. Hanover Sch. Dist., 626 F.3d 1, 4-5 (1st Cir.2010), cert. denied, 131 S.Ct. 2292 (2011); Croft v. Perry, 624 F.3d 157, 162-163 (5th Cir.2010); Newdow v. Rio Linda Union Sch. Dist., supra at 1042; Myers, supra at 408; and Sherman v. Community Consol. Sch. Dist. 21 of Wheeling Township, 980 F.2d 437, 439- 440 (7th Cir.1992), cert. denied, 508 U.S. 950 (1993). (FN17)

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. I think they are wrong. In addition, I agree with the plaintiffs that the implication here
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:15 PM
May 2014

is that they are less "patriotic" because they object to it.

I think it needs to be taken out.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. I'm in agreement with you. It's creepy and I never liked it as a kid.
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:21 PM
May 2014

But, perhaps one step at a time?

Jim__

(14,059 posts)
16. Part of that rationale raises an interesting question.
Sat May 10, 2014, 10:49 AM
May 2014
... The amendment came during the escalation of the Cold War, and there is some indication in the legislative history that the amendment was intended to underscore that the American form of government was "founded on the concept of the individuality and the dignity of the human being," which is grounded in "the belief that the human person is important because he was created by God and endowed by Him with certain inalienable rights which no civil authority may usurp." ...


The American form of government was definitely founded on the belief that humans are endowed by their creator with certain rights. Accepting that premise, we can assume that rationality allows us to discern those rights, and that assumption is made explicit in the Bill of Rights:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


I don't believe that evolution bestowed any rights upon us. Is there any current legal theory as to what other rights we have, or how we determine what they are? Our current policy seems to be that the Supreme Court gets to decide; and we all know that we can't expect any consistency in Supreme Court decisions.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. That Amendment was used to find a privacy right in Griswold, the contraception case.
Sat May 10, 2014, 04:37 PM
May 2014

Douglas famously wrote (page 484): "The foregoing cases suggest that specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/381/479

They're supposed to rule on cases as presented; their job is to acknowledge whether a particular action is protected or unprotected under the Constitution, not to define those undefined rights.

But, politics trumps everything.

struggle4progress

(118,214 posts)
12. That seems to be a standard view of courts in the US. From the decision:
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:57 PM
May 2014
... The school superintendent, in his affidavit, avers that "for both students and teachers, participation in the Pledge of Allegiance is totally voluntary. Any teacher or student may abstain themselves from participation in the Pledge of Allegiance for any or no reason, without explanation and without any form of recrimination or sanction" ... As the motion judge noted in her memorandum of decision, however, there is no evidence in the summary judgment record that the Doe children have ever been subjected to any type of punishment, bullying or other mistreatment, criticism, condemnation, or ostracism as a result of not participating in the pledge or not reciting the words "under God" ... Although the words "under God" undeniably have a religious tinge, courts that have considered the history of the pledge and the presence of those words have consistently concluded that the pledge, notwithstanding its reference to God, is a fundamentally patriotic exercise, not a religious one ... It is undisputed, as a matter of Federal constitutional law and as a matter of fact on the summary judgment record before us, that no student is required to recite the pledge ... The Barnette decision sounded the death knell for any statute, governmental regulation, or policy that purports to impose a requirement on students to recite the pledge ... All students are treated alike ... Participation is entirely voluntary; all students are presented with the same options; and one student's choice not to participate because of a religiously held belief is, as both a practical and a legal matter, indistinguishable from another's choice to abstain for a wholly different, more mundane, and constitutionally insignificant reason ... The plaintiffs do not appear to be claiming that their children have been punished, bullied, criticized, ostracized, or otherwise mistreated by anyone as a result of their decision to decline to recite some (or all) of the pledge. There is no evidence in the summary judgment record that the plaintiffs' children have in fact been treated by school administrators, teachers, staff, fellow students, or anyone else any differently from other children because of their religious beliefs, or because of how they participate in the pledge. Nor is there any evidence that they have in fact been perceived any differently for those reasons ... Where the plaintiffs do not claim that a school program or activity violates anyone's First Amendment religious rights (or cognate rights under the Massachusetts Constitution), they cannot rely instead on the equal rights amendment, and claim that the school's even-handed implementation of the program or activity, and the plaintiffs' exposure to it, unlawfully discriminates against them on the basis of religion ... Moreover .. reciting the pledge is a voluntary patriotic exercise, but it is not a litmus test ... The schools confer no "privilege" or "advantage" of patriotism within the meaning of the statute to those who recite the pledge in its entirety ... The judgment of the Superior Court is affirmed ...

I personally don't understand the Cult of the Pledge, which Massachusetts law (on its face) enshrines by offering to fine teachers who fail to require its recitation. IMO a teacher who was so fined might have standing to sue against that statute, though to judge from the facts here the law seems unenforced. The plaintiffs here lost by summary judgment in the lower court, presumably because nobody actually forced anyone to say the pledge, either in part or in entirety, and because there was no evidence offered of any consequences whatsoever against anyone who failed to say any part of the pledge (including the whole pledge) for any reason. I suspect the standard for actual governmental infringement upon religious belief (including lack thereof) to be strict, in the sense that an injury against religious (or irreligious) conviction might be found even when there is nothing more than rather minor embarrassment construable as coercion of conscience -- but the plaintiffs here apparently offer no evidence of so much as that.

They sought .. relief, including ... a declaration that the recitation of a form of the pledge with the words "under God" omitted would not violate the Massachusetts Constitution. But as there is no evidence anyone forced the children to recite the pledge at all, nor that anyone insisted that the children recite every word of the pledge if they recited any of it, the suit is a bucket of nothing
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
2. Other religions )Wiccans and JW)
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:05 PM
May 2014

object to it also. It is not just athiests. Maybe these people to take a course in Comparative Religions?

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
3. That whole "God" thing
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:05 PM
May 2014

is religious. There's no way around it. When you start talking about your invisible friend, for which there is no evidence of its existence, it's either religious or you need a padded room. Take your pick.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. while they definitely had fundies after the 20s and before the 70s,
Sat May 10, 2014, 03:09 PM
May 2014

the general theology was 1) "Jesus was American"/"Jesus is your ultimate therapist" or 2) "who is this 'Gii-soos' you speak of?"--even Time got in the act, though more in a Wellsian than Nietzschean manner; this ceremonial deism is a perfect exemplar of this period in US theological evolution; "young-Earth" creationism was then seen as the self-indulgent, theologically-cockeyed Adventist heresy that it actually is (http://www.amazon.com/Where-Darwin-Meets-Bible-Evolutionists/dp/0195182812)

fundies didn't jump back until the mid-70s rise of the New Right (Team B, Powell-Memo types, EvoPsych, Chicago School anarcho-capitalists (Greenspan said we shouldn't regulate derivatives because they're beyond all human understanding), even the astrophysicists): together with the right-liberts, Big Biz, and the roid-raging warmongers the Religious Right was one of Reagan's four well-funded pillars

but I'm also sure that the Doobie Brothers had something to do with the televangelists' rise

even the baptist had a 70s coup that hurled them rightwards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Baptist_Convention_conservative_resurgence
(heck, the Baptists started out as communalists--like the Pietists who brought Agrippa to Pennsylvania and the Puritan alchemists of New London and New Hampshire)

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