Religion
Related: About this forumThe Case for ‘Soft Atheism’
By GARY GUTTING
May 15, 2014, 8:15 pm
This is the sixth in a series of interviews about religion that I am conducting for The Stone. The interviewee for this installment is Philip Kitcher, a professor of philosophy at Columbia University and the author of the forthcoming book Life After Faith: The Case for Secular Humanism.
Gary Gutting: You have said that you take religious doctrines to have become incredible. Why do you think that?
It is possible to reject all religious doctrines as false without dismissing religion itself as noxious rubbish.
Philip Kitcher: An opening clarification: I dont think focusing on religious doctrine, as opposed to religious experience or practice, is always the best way of considering a religious perspective. Nonetheless, most religions do offer doctrines about aspects of the world that go beyond the things of everyday experience. They tell us about gods or spirits or ancestors who return or special forces or sacred qualities of particular places.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/15/the-case-for-soft-atheism/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Htom Sirveaux
(1,242 posts)He did a good job of explaining why intelligent design is not science in "Living with Darwin". When it comes to religion, he has a vision that's wider than fundamentalism, even though he doesn't explain why he still considers the transcendent of refined religion to be just a "distraction and a detour" in the end, rather than a legitimate alternate perspective that helps some people but others find unnecessary for themselves.
rug
(82,333 posts)He has thoughtful opinions.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)"But the doctrines are interpreted nonliterally, seen as apt metaphors or parables for informing our understanding of ourselves and our world and for seeing how we might improve both. To say that God made a covenant with Abraham doesnt mean that, long ago, some very impressive figure with a white beard negotiated a bargain with a Mesopotamian pastoralist. It is rather to commit yourself to advancing what is most deeply and ultimately valuable, as the story says Abraham did."
What fucking purpose does that have? If you are an atheist, you don't believe in the 'god' end of that proposition anyway. So accepting the story as allegory doesn't even advance 'what is most deeply and ultimately valuable'.
I note the interviewee doesn't even define what he thinks that is.
"Pragmatist that I am, I have little sympathy for strained discussions about whether God had to allow evil in order to create beings with free will, and even less for cheap gibes to the effect that religious faith is analogous to a childs belief in the Easter bunny. Lets be inspired by the worlds collection of religious metaphors insofar as they help us improve the human situation. Humanism first, atheism second. The atheism I favor is one in which literal talk about God or other supposed manifestations of the transcendent comes to be seen as a distraction from the important human problems a form of language that quietly disappears."
Ah, another compartmentalist. One that thinks that you can take the beauty, and leave the ugliness, as if accepting some aspects of theistic faith doesn't carry along doctrinal baggage.
Why? To what purpose? To make the transition to atheism simpler, more palatable?
This entire interview really didn't say much at all.