Pastor, church members plead guilty to beating 13-year-old boy

[cleanhippie]

The pastor and two members of a Corona church pleaded guilty Monday to state charges of beating and threatening the life of a 13-year-old boy, who was forced to dig his own grave, authorities said.

Lonny Lee Remmers, 56, Nicholas James Craig, 24, and Darryll Duane Jeter Jr., 30, tortured the boy in the church-run group home where he lived, according to a witness report in affidavits for search warrants.


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The March 2012 incidents included Craig and Jeter driving the victim to the desert and forcing him to dig his own grave. They then made him get in and threw dirt on him. They were responding to Remmers' instruction to "scare" the boy, according to the affidavits.

While the boy was showering, one of the men rubbed salt into the cuts on his back, according to Steven Larkey, who lived in the group home and provided the witness report in the affidavit. He told investigators he could hear the boy screaming and saw blood all over the shower the next day. The victim was later tied to a chair with zip ties and placed in the shower. Mace was sprayed on his face, causing it to bleed, and he was not allowed to rinse off for about 30 minutes, according to the victim's account in the affidavit.

At a Bible study later that evening at Remmers' home, Remmers asked the boy to sit in the middle of the group and then squeezed his nipple with pliers. The boy, his mother and sister were members of Remmers' church. His mother and sister lived in a women's group home, but the boy said he had been moved to the men's home as a disciplinary action.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-pastor-guilty-beating-boy-20140707c-story.html

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1. Tim Lambesis is doing six years for attempted murder. So what.

[cleanhippie]

2. Did you read what these Christians DID to that boy? THAT'S what.

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3. I read what Remmers, Craig, and Jeter did. Did you read what Lambesis did?

Or would you rather I type, "Did you read what that atheist DID to that woman?"

[pokerfan]

4. "So what?"

Obviously, they aren't true Christians.

[cleanhippie]

9. That's the same response he gives when stories of catholic priests raping children comes up.

Pretty appalling, don't you think?

[Lordquinton]

8. So what?

You do know what many here would say if one of the "anti-theists" here said something like that, what you have said when one says something like that. Everything up to and including being called a Nazi. You owe a big apology here Rug.

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10. One did: "Did you read what these Christians DID to that boy?"

Take the self-righteous rag away from your face.

[Htom Sirveaux]

5. That's terrible.

I hope that child gets all the help he needs to heal, and that those responsible turn away from the lives they've led, and make better choices.

[trotsky]

6. The book of Proverbs is full of instructions on physically disciplining unruly children.

Proverbs 20:30 - "Blows and wounds scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being."

Perhaps they were simply following their deeply held beliefs. No one can say for certain they weren't.

[Act_of_Reparation]

7. Pft. You're interpreting that wrong.

If you'd read the verse before and after, you'd realize God is merely teaching us how to make a truly righteous meringue pie.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Oh hell with that: kill the bad child.

21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

The fascinating rules in Deuteronomy.

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12. Proverbs has lots of apt sayings.

It even covers flamebait.

Proverbs 26:18-19

18 Like a maniac who shoots deadly firebrands and arrows,
19 so is one who deceives a neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”

[goldent]

13. The phrase "I am only joking" seems so modern

I checked to see what it was in other versions. The following sounds more Biblical, although I probably would not have known what it meant:

As a mad man who casteth firebrands, arrows, and death,
So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport?

Hope it's OK talking about religion in a non-religion thread.