When does the trouble-making god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims get pulled on the carpet?

[snagglepuss]

When do people who worship the god of Abraham get the message that this god is either an actively malign god or simply the creation of a Semitic tribe who needed a god who promised real estate and condoned armed warfare to reach that end?

Why has this god who apparently saw fit through-out history to involve himself with the world whether by bush, son or dictation to a peasant allowed the situation in the ME to continually worsen? All fault can be laid at his feet. He is solely to blame. If he is solely the god of Israel who Christians and Muslims glommed onto then why does he not make one more intervention to clear that up?

[riqster]

1. Where does one serve the summons?

Dude left no forwarding address.

[AtheistCrusader]

2. Imaginary friends don't have addresses ;)

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Sure they do: dead letter box.

[roguevalley]

33. how about putting blame where it belongs ,,, the ass hats who are

doing this. they could be using skin color or food as their justification. God is the excuse. The villains who did this are people. Leave god out. This is a HUMAN decision and the consequences are ours to bear alone.

[edhopper]

3. For a God of the whole Cosmos

he certainly spent a great deal of time with a small tribe in one area of the ancient world, seemingly to the exclusion of all others. Then he went absent for some reason.

[Louisiana1976]

32. Well said.

[Trajan]

4. +1,000,000,000

[hrmjustin]

5. .

[okasha]

34. You bring the popcorn

I'll bring the beer.

[hrmjustin]

35. After reading this thread I think we need Gin.

[okasha]

37. Glenlivet. Straight up.

[rug]

6. So, you blame the mess that humans have made on a god that does not exist.

Impeccable logic.

[snagglepuss]

7. For all intents and purposes he is a god that exists for approx a billion humans.

What will it takes for his worshippers to start asking the hard questions?

[hrmjustin]

8. Who said we don't ask questions?

[snagglepuss]

14. For hundreds of years very good people have posed questions but they have

been met by silence. When is enough enough?

[hrmjustin]

15. So we are supposed to give up our faiths?

[snagglepuss]

18. At least entertain doubt. It seems to me that the pious make

faith itself an idol. The idea that any religion is in possession of incontrovertible truth has lead to nothing but misery and has inflated the opinion believers have of themselves and their respective beliefs.

[hrmjustin]

19. You have a very limited view of believers.

Who said we don't entertain doubt?

[snagglepuss]

22. What would the the god of Abraham do if Jews, Christians and Muslims renounced him

for the sake of peace?

[hrmjustin]

24. People renounce God everyday and they are not hit by lightening or struck down.

[snagglepuss]

29. Unless they are Muslims. But I'm talking en mass.

Would the god of Abraham go quietly into the night if believers sacrificed their belief in him for the sake of peace?

[hrmjustin]

30. God is not going anywhere and neither is our faith.

[rug]

10. That establishes neither its existence or nonexistence.

Here's a hard question: why are you blaming things on something that doesn't exist?

[snagglepuss]

12. He exists in the minds of those who believe in him.

[rug]

17. That doesn't establish existence either.

So, exactly who or what are you railing against?

[snagglepuss]

21. For all intents and purposes the god of Abraham exists for those who believe in him.

Given that billions believe in the god of Abraham then those who see themselves as experts in the revealed word ie priests,rabbis, pastors and imans need to account for god's lack of direct involvement in a horrid state of affairs which has him at the center. Lets not forget the old testament god promised Jews a plot of land and never stated otherwise yet he allowed non-Jews to glom onto to him and paper over the belief that he chose one particular group of Semites to be His people.

[rug]

23. That's neither scientific nor logical.

Since you haven't answered, I'll assume your real target is scripture, believers, or theocrats. Hell, I'll even throw in that wretched Mother Theresa.

[snagglepuss]

27. Are you unaquainted with the the concept of relative truth?

[rug]

28. Sometimes.

[DonCoquixote]

9. Mark Twain had a few good comments on this matter

http://www.twainquotes.com/God.html

If God is what people say there can be no one in the universe so unhappy as He; for He sees unceasingly myriads of His creatures suffering unspeakable miseries--and besides this foresees how they are going to suffer during the remainder of their lives. One might as well say, "As unhappy as God."
- Notebook #24, April - Aug. 1885

...a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave is angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and foregiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
- No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger

[snagglepuss]

16. That is the staggering quote. It certainly sums up the situation without

wasting words.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

38. Yeah, but ya know, mysterious ways and all. I wonder what his wife had to say about that.

Iirc, she was quite religious.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. We are too busy 'cause Dawkins said something dubious maybe.

[msongs]

20. harry potter has 7 books, the god of abraham only one. it "the book" matters, harry wins big nt

[cbayer]

25. OMG, this isn't even good flame bait.

Nice try, though.

Welcome to the religion group.

[snagglepuss]

26. Thanks for the welcome

[cbayer]

31. No problem. I hope you will stick around.

There is obviously a great learning opportunity here, and I mean that from both directions.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. An expert on the subject has spoken.

You are most welcome to continue to post here on this subject or any other subject relevant to belief and non-belief, regardless of what the self appointed guardian of suitability might have to say.

[Prophet 451]

36. Welcome to the religion group and maltheism

Maltheism describes a set of beliefs that proposes that god exists but is not worthy of worship and/or actively malevolent.

I'm a Luciferian Satanist. That's a specific subset of maltheism that proposes Lucifer has fought to free humanity from god's tyranny. For example, think of the snake in the garden (whom we identify with Lucifer). By giving us the apple, Lucifer gifted us with the capacity for moral self-determination, the ability to make our own rules, to go from "thou shalt not" to "I will not".