Religion
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By Gary Gutting
This is the 12th and last in a series of interviews about religion that I am conducting for The Stone. The interviewee for this installment is Daniel Garber, a professor of philosophy at Princeton University, specializing in philosophy and science in the period of Galileo and Newton. In a week or two, Ill conclude with a wrap-up column on the series.
October 5, 2014 7:30 pm
Gary Gutting: In the 17th century most philosophers were religious believers, whereas today most seem to be atheists. What explains this reversal?
Im already convinced that I should want to believe. But there is a step from there to actual belief, and thats a step I cannot personally negotiate.
Daniel Garber: I think that it is fair to say that in the 17th century most people, not just philosophers, were believers and that it was simply taken for granted that people of ordinary intelligence would believe in God, in just the way that people today take it for granted that people of ordinary intelligence have faith in the authority of science. Many important scientists and mathematicians in the period were also believers, including Bacon, Descartes, Boyle, Pascal and Newton. Not that there werent atheists in the period, but atheism was something that in many circles needed a special explanation in a way in which belief didnt.
In many circumstances, atheism was considered so obviously contrary to evident reason that there had to be a special explanation for why atheists denied what was so obvious to most of their contemporaries, in much the way that today we might wonder about those who deny science. What changed? I hesitate even to speculate. There was the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, political revolutions, Darwinism, the wars of the 20th century, a lot. As a result science and religious faith have, in a way, exchanged places, and a general and widespread faith in science has replaced the earlier general and widespread faith in God. But even so, God is not dead among the philosophers. There is still a very significant community of believers among philosophers. Im personally not one of them, I should say, and I would doubt that they constitute a majority. But even so, I think they cannot be ignored.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/can-wanting-to-believe-make-us-believers/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
elleng
(130,747 posts)= 'I believe,' imo.
rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)fucking time.
Then again, some of us see her as a right wing religious fundy anyway, so... hmm. Maybe?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)not a passive position. It is the position of having actively entertained the idea of god and then actively rejected it.
This is why the "not a stamp collector" analogy so often fails, imo.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I actively think stamp collecting is uninteresting. Relatives have, when I was a kid, suggested I take it up. I actively rejected it. I would do so again today, if someone again suggested it.
It's a useful parallel, up to the point where stamp collectors exert no political influence in furthering stamp collecting...
cbayer
(146,218 posts)let alone reject it.
Although I think atheism can be a passive position, often it is not.
There may be a case made for a stamp collection group on DU, but it would be hard to make a case for a non-stamp collecting group.
For some it is a useful parallel, I agree. But for others their atheism is active, it is a part of their identity that they actively choose.
Perhaps there should be different words to distinguish these two states.
phil89
(1,043 posts)it's often a result of damage done to them by religion, particularly in their families. People want to stop the damage done by religion and its irrational, often ignorant preachings to prevent harm to other people. I applaud people taking a stand like that, although I never went through it.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)atheists around here who feel it is a part of their identity and deny any harm done to them by religion.
I think there are as many stories as there are atheists and making generalizations beyond a shared lack of believe in god is generally wrong.