Do Jihadists have a point?

[Greatest I am]

Do Jihadists have a point?

Jihadists rebel because they see God reward Satan for rebellion.

The facts, as I understand them from scriptures, indicate that Satan rebelled in heaven, was crowned as the first Morning Star, was intentionally placed to enlighten Eve with her God given powers, then Eve enlightened Adam.

Satan was given dominion of the world and that is also what I S wants.

The world is moving towards a one world government. No question as all one needs do is look at the rapprochement of all of the various countries, one to the other.

I S thinks it can oust the oligarchic, --- some think democratic, --- control that the world is now under, to one where Allah rules.

Unfortunately, Allah is not about and I do not think he will show up soon, --- and that is the only possible thing that will bring the oligarchs or democracies to bend the knee.

I. S. and all home grown terrorists know this deep down and that means that they are basically suicidal and insane. One of Canada’s home grown Jihadist was thrown out of his mosque and yet even with all we knew of him, he still slipped in to do his evil deed.

I. S. and all home grown terrorists know, thought or free thinking cannot be stopped. They know this from their own thinking. They, stupidly, think they can control the world by doing just that same kind of thought control. It is unfortunate that we cannot legislate this type of stupidity away.

Sorry Jihadist scum, Christianity already tried that, --- and failed, --- as Gnostic Christians like me are still around and are strong.

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If I were speaking directly to a real Jihadist, I would have this to say;

“Satan was rewarded for challenging oppression and tyranny. A just cause.

You have no just cause, and unfortunately, as the spearhead of a religion that would deny mankind freedom of thought, you will become as redundant as Christianity is today.

That is how the world rewards those of your ilk.

Christians hated Gnostic Christians enough to decimate us because we would not bend the knee to those who would demand that we think as they did.

The world will have the same answer for you when we kill you.

We do not want to kill you, however, if you do not repent; you will die by the sword.

Free thinking is now too big to fail. Even you are not immune and cannot prevent yourself nor others from doing it. Recognize this, friend, before you die needlessly and harm others for being angry with yourself”

Regards
DL

[rug]

1. For someone who claims Gnosis, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

[okasha]

3. Ain't that the stone truth!

[MellowDem]

10. I'd say he sounds as sensible as the Pope

[rug]

11. Of course you would.

[MellowDem]

13. Maybe even more sensible

Nothing about gay marriage being the work of the devil that I saw in there

[rug]

14. Sensible is a humorous choice of words.

[Greatest I am]

15. Your ignorance

is shown by your not having what it takes to correct me.

You throw an insult and run away like the child you are.

Regards
DL

[rug]

18. Considering it took you six days to post this pap, you shouldn't talk about running away.

Regards
rug

[CJCRANE]

2. The Abrahamic religions believe in God's judgment.

God's judgment is based on how you exercise your free will in making moral choices.

Ergo, any group that engages in coercion to enforce moral choices is going against the concept of free will and God's role as arbiter of morality.

Those who usurp the role of God are considered to be blasphemers.

[Greatest I am]

16. Christians

did that in spades when they ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.

Do you see them as blasphemers as well or is it just Islam using Christian methods that are blasphemers?

View this before you answer.

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Regards
DL

[CJCRANE]

21. All fundies are pretty much the same. They are often blasphemers under their own terms of reference

i.e. the holy books they profess to follow.

But it's not my call to decide who is, and who isn't a blasphemer. It's just my conjecture (in a Douglas Adams kind of way) to show the absurdity of the fundie mentality.

For myself, I just take the positive ethics from all religions. I don't see the need for the stuff about heaven and hell, angels and demons and all the other mythlogical paraphernalia, except as colorful stories or metaphors.

[edhopper]

4. I suppose there are corners of the internet

Where this kind of unintelligible drivel is quite common.

I do my best to stay away from those places.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Your thesis is silly.

Jihadists rebel because they see God reward Satan for rebellion.

That is just nonsense.

[trotsky]

7. Warren, Warren, Warren.

Tsk, tsk. You aren't allowed to call people's religious beliefs silly. That's bigoted, as we have been scolded about many times.

[Greatest I am]

17. Which part.

The reward or how they see it?

Regards
DL

[procon]

6. Oh noes!

Not the "one world government"! Is there ever an apocalyptic rant that does not start off with this theme?

[Iggo]

8. On top of their heads?

Not that I can see.

[Greatest I am]

22. Why

Are they dying pointlessly?

I think they think they have a point and if we cannot even fathom it then we cannot stop hostilities.

Regards
DL

[Iggo]

25. Wha...?

[Jim__]

9. "The world is moving towards a one world government."

The world is moving towards a one world government. No question as all one needs do is look at the rapprochement of all of the various countries, one to the other.

No question? There may be a few. For instance, China be may making a move to become a dominant world power.

The risk of conflict in the South China Sea is significant. China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, and the Philippines have competing territorial and jurisdictional claims, particularly over rights to exploit the region's possibly extensive reserves of oil and gas. Freedom of navigation in the region is also a contentious issue, especially between the United States and China over the right of U.S. military vessels to operate in China's two-hundred-mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ). These tensions are shaping—and being shaped by—rising apprehensions about the growth of China's military power and its regional intentions. China has embarked on a substantial modernization of its maritime paramilitary forces as well as naval capabilities to enforce its sovereignty and jurisdiction claims by force if necessary. At the same time, it is developing capabilities that would put U.S. forces in the region at risk in a conflict, thus potentially denying access to the U.S. Navy in the western Pacific.

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[Greatest I am]

23. What

makes you think it is not one already?

Regards
DL

[mr blur]

12. I don 't think you've thought this through.

In fact, you don't seem to have thought at all.

[Warpy]

19. Well they do have a point. Unfortunately they seem to be giving

free rein to sociopaths who enjoy killing for killing's sake.

The desire for a new Sunni Caliphate is a strong one that exists across the Arab world, uniting all Arabs under an Islamic rule and building a new Golden Age for Islam.

They are just as lost about how to accomplish it as the "keep government out of my Medicare" people are here. Having misunderstood the little history they've read, they think a rigidly patriarchal society that rejects modernity, democracy, tolerance, and civil liberties in any form will do it.

Modern rulers from Nasser in Egypt to Saddam Hussein have talked openly about wanting to recreate a New Caliphate. I think we're about to be sorry that both were stymied in their attempt to create it.

[CJCRANE]

20. Nasser and Saddam were Arab Nationalists. That's opposed to the Caliphate guys.

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They repressed and imprisoned muslim fundamentalists who believed in the Caliphate.

The Arab Nationalists and the Caliphate promoters are opposite ends of the spectrum.

Arab Nationalism is the idea of uniting the MENA under the arab culture. It is secular so includes christians and other religious minorities.

The Caliphate promoters believe in uniting under one religion. They welcome muslim fundies from all over the world, whether Chechnya, Somalia, Europe, Asia etc. etc. They destroy the local arab and minority culture.

[Greatest I am]

24. They

wish their NWO just as the & U.S. wishes to create theirs.

Do you see much difference in stated wishes. I do not. I do see two different types of regimes seeking the same thing. One through subversion and the other through armed dissent.

Regards
DL

[upaloopa]

26. Any political social or military action based on religion

or some religion's holy book is fucked up.
There are no devils or angles or bull shit like that. To act on beliefs that there are is just acting on ignorant superstitions.

[DetlefK]

27. Just...

1. There's no consensus that Lucifer was the snake in the garden of Eden.

2. Lucifer was banished to hell as a punishment. The whole Satan-rules-in-hell stuff was made up centuries later.

3. I have recently stumbled upon an interpretation that Lucifer/Satan was an allegory for materialism/science/critical thinking, as opposed to Jehovah, who represents spiritualism and righteous doctrine. It feats neatly into the enlightenment-angle.

4. ISIS' goal is to bring the past back: In medieval times the arab world was the most advanced one. Why? They had the correct religion! That's why! Then the Umma fractured and finally disappeared after WWI and at the same time the arab world turned to poverty and neverending civil wars. ISIS wants to bring back this golden age of Islam by reestablishing the Umma as a political power, by uniting all muslims in a new caliphate.