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rug

(82,333 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:30 AM Nov 2014

Removal of religious references reflects expansion of intolerance

By Valerie Yu - Counterpoint · Daily Trojan
Posted Yesterday at 9:06 pm in Columns, Opinion

Last Sunday marked the International Day for Tolerance, an annual observance initiated by UNESCO in 1995. Tolerance has been gaining ground in recent years, but ironically, it doesn’t always mean peace. As the holidays draw near, conflicts bred in the name of tolerance abound, and it’s no longer just about whether evergreens should be called “holiday trees” or “Christmas trees.” The Montgomery Board of Education has now applied the notion of tolerance to the school calendar — but in the most insensitive way.

Last Tuesday, the public school board voted to eliminate references to all religious holidays from next year’s school calendar in Montgomery County, Maryland. Christmas, Easter, Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah are among days omitted. Schools, however, will still close on the same days, but only because they happen to coincide with high rates of student and staff absenteeism. As board members have made clear, days off aren’t meant to observe those religious holidays — they say such closures are not legally permitted.

The move was made as a response to the requests of the county’s Muslim community to recognize its faith by setting aside an off-day for Eid al-Adha. But beyond failing to find a solution to equal billing for all faiths, the board has taken two steps back in antagonizing Judeo-Christian communities. And it’s nowhere closer to equality.

It’s true that nothing about the number of days off changes, and perhaps, the reasons cited aren’t inherently wrong — legally speaking. In nearby northern Virginia, Fairfax and Loudoun counties both have secular calendars. Religious neutrality in a multicultural district is understandable, and technically speaking, schools are really supposed to be closed because of operational purposes during the holidays and not because a specific religious holiday needs to be celebrated.

http://dailytrojan.com/2014/11/17/removal-of-religious-references-reflects-expansion-of-intolerance/

http://www.un.org/en/events/toleranceday/

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Removal of religious references reflects expansion of intolerance (Original Post) rug Nov 2014 OP
Celebrate your faith at home and in your place of worship. CurtEastPoint Nov 2014 #1
How tolerant. rug Nov 2014 #2
Wow atreides1 Nov 2014 #3
The original intent, I think, of that "freedom of religion" statement, was to ensure that we djean111 Nov 2014 #6
Yes, there were christian and jewish holidays on the calendar. cbayer Nov 2014 #13
Yes, they should have added the Muslim holiday. djean111 Nov 2014 #18
I don't really see any harm either. cbayer Nov 2014 #22
Check your definition of ghetto. rug Nov 2014 #16
There is sometimes a misconception on this site that ghetto cbayer Nov 2014 #23
At least nobody suggested an eruv. rug Nov 2014 #25
You think religious celebration edhopper Nov 2014 #7
1. He didn't say that. 2. The article is not at all about that. cbayer Nov 2014 #14
Wow yourself. rug Nov 2014 #17
Your bedroom edhopper Nov 2014 #19
It is a place of ecstasy. rug Nov 2014 #21
But you think celebrating your religion edhopper Nov 2014 #27
Before you strain your wow, why don't you answer the question? rug Nov 2014 #28
What part edhopper Nov 2014 #29
What part of "confine" don't you understand? rug Nov 2014 #30
Huh? edhopper Nov 2014 #31
That was my original reply. rug Nov 2014 #32
So the question of edhopper Nov 2014 #33
Ahem, the article is not about religious celebrations in public schools. cbayer Nov 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author edhopper Nov 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Nov 2014 #36
Apologies edhopper Nov 2014 #37
I also removed mine. Peace. cbayer Nov 2014 #40
Yes edhopper Nov 2014 #38
Rofl, stay classy, Rug. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #10
I can't if I respond to you. rug Nov 2014 #20
Er. that's pretty much what people do. cbayer Nov 2014 #12
Christmas is a federal holiday yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #26
The religious; SamKnause Nov 2014 #4
and they can do it 24/7 in their own heads if they so desire rurallib Nov 2014 #9
The article is about a calendar, not a celebration in the schools. cbayer Nov 2014 #15
Why do you think the schools close on those holidays? rug Nov 2014 #24
Really? I sure don't see it as such. sinkingfeeling Nov 2014 #5
the board has taken two steps back in antagonizing Judeo-Christian communities Cartoonist Nov 2014 #8
I tend to agree that adding the Muslim holiday would have been a better response. cbayer Nov 2014 #11
Hmmm 2naSalit Nov 2014 #39
They had a good policy about it, I think, and the Muslims were asking for a single day. cbayer Nov 2014 #41

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
3. Wow
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:58 AM
Nov 2014

Is that how you define a home, as a ghetto?

Generally you're one of the more eloquent speakers here regarding religious discussions...so I was a little surprised that you would make a statement like that.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. The original intent, I think, of that "freedom of religion" statement, was to ensure that we
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:09 AM
Nov 2014

did not have a "religion of state", that we were free to adhere to any religion, or no religion, without fear of government reprisals.
I think that should have been phrased "freedom FROM religion", to be more clear.
Nowadays, if I do not want to be subjected to (Christian) proselytizing or imagery, I am preventing Christians from exercising the freedom of their religion to insert itself into work or school or any aspect of ordinary life.

Interesting how the very thought of including a Muslim holiday met with such an overreaction. Were any Jewish holidays on that school calendar?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. Yes, there were christian and jewish holidays on the calendar.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:58 PM
Nov 2014

I tend to think that they should have added the Muslim one instead of eliminating them all.

The secular holidays remain, of course.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
22. I don't really see any harm either.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:09 PM
Nov 2014

They had the opportunity to be inclusive and possibly a chance to educate kids about Islam, which is, imo, a good thing.

But they took the easy way out…

and ended up just offending almost everyone it seems, lol.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
16. Check your definition of ghetto.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:01 PM
Nov 2014

People inside it could practice their religion to their hearts' content.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
23. There is sometimes a misconception on this site that ghetto
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:10 PM
Nov 2014

is only connected to nazi germany.

It's a good opportunity to get people to learn more about it.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. Wow yourself.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:02 PM
Nov 2014

Do you see a wee gap between confining your faith to your bedroom and proselytizing in a classroom?

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
27. But you think celebrating your religion
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

In your home and place of worship, and not in public schools his ghettoizing?
My "wow" remains.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
28. Before you strain your wow, why don't you answer the question?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:36 PM
Nov 2014
Do you see a wee gap between confining your faith to your bedroom and proselytizing in a classroom?

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
29. What part
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:42 PM
Nov 2014

Of "place of worship" don't you understand?

Confining it to only "bedroom" and not even "home", as in the post is disingenuous.

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
33. So the question of
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

Keeping religious celebration to the home and place of worship, and not in public schools, which is the context of the thread, is ghettoizing to you?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
34. Ahem, the article is not about religious celebrations in public schools.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:13 PM
Nov 2014

You might want to actually read the article before commenting further.

Response to cbayer (Reply #34)

Response to edhopper (Reply #35)

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. Rofl, stay classy, Rug.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:15 PM
Nov 2014

You of course, do a disservice to humans who have experienced such things when you try to mischaracterize suggesting one exercise religious faith on your own time, rather than as an official function of a state school, as something akin to ghettoization.

Soooper classy.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
20. I can't if I respond to you.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:07 PM
Nov 2014

Nevertheless . . . .

Do you see any mention of exercising religious faith as an official function of a state school in this post?

1. Celebrate your faith at home and in your place of worship.

Sooper obtuse.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. Er. that's pretty much what people do.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:57 PM
Nov 2014

And this isn't about celebrating anything in the schools, but about the calendar and days off.

But nice knee jerk response there.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. Christmas is a federal holiday
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

Until that changes, it should be on the calendar. Easter is not a federal holiday and should be off the calendar. Not hard to figure out.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
4. The religious;
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:26 AM
Nov 2014

can worship 24/7 at home

can worship 24/7 at the homes of religious family members

can worship 24/7 at the homes of their religious friends

can worship 24/7 at their places of worship

can worship 24/7 at their religious schools.

If any group is being intolerant it is the religious groups.

They are being intrusive.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
9. and they can do it 24/7 in their own heads if they so desire
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:14 PM
Nov 2014

but it really doesn't belong in public schools, or city halls or county courthouses or state legislatures etc.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. The article is about a calendar, not a celebration in the schools.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:01 PM
Nov 2014

Did anyone actually read this article?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
24. Why do you think the schools close on those holidays?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:12 PM
Nov 2014

What do you think they should call them instead, the third of Nivôse?

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
8. the board has taken two steps back in antagonizing Judeo-Christian communities
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 11:43 AM
Nov 2014

Wow! What a biased opinion. I call it a great leap forward for religious freedom.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
11. I tend to agree that adding the Muslim holiday would have been a better response.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:56 PM
Nov 2014

It looks really insensitive to me that they would rather eliminate them all than add one.

2naSalit

(86,536 posts)
39. Hmmm
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:52 PM
Nov 2014

I saw the school board's solution to be more appropriate since the snowball effect becomes inevitable at some point. If you choose to recognize no religion, as seems appropriate with regard to the separation of church and state clause, then there should be no problem. The article indicates that the decision was made in light of the fact that there would be low attendance on those days but without favoring any set of particular religions. The snowball effect: so what about Hindus and Shintos and Wiccans and all the other religions/belief systems that exist in a multicultural community? If they all have their sects recognized on the calendar, there will be little time in the calendar for actual school scheduling.

When you bring gum to class, you should bring enough for everyone or leave it at home.

I think the board's decision was appropriate. Sorry Christians, your days of dominating everything public are waning, as it should be.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
41. They had a good policy about it, I think, and the Muslims were asking for a single day.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:25 PM
Nov 2014

But I don't object to their decision. They were in a tough spot. My only concern is whether they made this decision based on bigotry, but that remains unclear.

It was just a name on the calendar. They aren't actually going to change the holidays, btw. I'm at a loss as to what they will call the religious ones, particularly the Jewish ones, but that is their problem, I guess.

Honestly, I think the holidays of as many groups as possible should be on school calendars. It's an opportunity for education. That's gun for everyone. Whether the school is closed on those days should be in line with their policy about attendance.

This isn't about christians dominating everything, imo, and there is no reason for you to hide.

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