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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:17 PM Nov 2014

Gratitude Without God

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-phenomenology-of-gratitude/383174/

If giving thanks isn't inherently religious, where does it come from?

EMMA GREEN
NOV 26 2014, 12:00 PM ET


Marzolino/Shutterstock/TheAtlantic

The thing about people who study gratitude for a living is: They're really nice. They're also prolific thankers.

"Grateful for your calling attention to this important virtue without which we would not be fully human!!!!!" wrote one professor in the closing of an email exchange.

The social science on gratitude is pretty resolute: Feeling thankful is good for you. "There’s something called a grateful personality that some psychologists have studied," said Jo-Ann Tsang, a psychologist at Baylor University. "They find that if you’re greater in the grateful personality, you tend to have increased life satisfaction, happiness, optimism, hope, positive emotion, and ... less anxiety and depression."

Other studies suggest that diaries, daily reminders, and intentional reflection on what you're thankful for can boost happiness, positive emotions, and a sense of meaning in life, Tsang said. Physical benefits may include fewer symptoms of illness and better sleep. These activities "can even help people with moderate body-image issues, and also people with moderate anxiety issues," she added.

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djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. With all due respect, that article is ridiculous.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:26 PM
Nov 2014

Trying to tie being thankful to religion? America is a Christian nation? That is really a reach, like saying only religious people do good things. Feh.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Actually, the article separates thankfulness from religion. That is it's main point.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:45 PM
Nov 2014

I also found the whole thing about a christian nation very off-putting, though. I think I understand what he was trying to say, but I don't think he understand how it comes across.

If you want, please read the whole thing. He makes the strong case for thankfulness and doing good thing being innate human qualities that are not necessarily linked to religion.

While some thank their god, others use thankfulness in a completely different way.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Thank you for posting!!!
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:14 PM
Nov 2014

See what I did there?



Quite and interesting and timely topic!

It seems that in our culture, or maybe it's part of the human condition, we often need to be deliberate in showing gratitude.

We have set aside one day a year to formalize this, after which one might think we can go back to the daily business of making ends meet, not getting hit by a bus, and all the rest.

Other cultures have more regular and periodic practices and traditions. Saying grace before a meal can, for example, also be used to recognize and honor that one has food to eat and is with loved ones.

Once a day or thrice a day, that beats once every Autumn!

My favorite cultural acknowledgment of the special quality of every moment is the Japanese Tea Ceremony, more specifically, "the Ichi-go ichi-e":

Ichi-go ichi-e: this is the moment

Tea Following up on Benjamin Zander's inspirational teachings on the art of possibility (and performance), allow me to share a simple idea from the art of tea or Sadou, "the way of tea." You may think that the traditional art of Sadou (茶道 is a strange place to glean lessons that can be applied to various aspects of our daily lives, but the simple practical lessons from the Zen arts run deep and wide. Ichi-go ichi-e (一期一会 is a concept connected to the way of tea; it expresses the ideal of the way of tea. Roughly translated the phrase means "one time, one meeting" or "one encounter; one opportunity." In the way of tea we should respect the host and the others in the garden and the tea room and honor the moment as if it were a once-in-a-lifetime gathering. That is, we should cherish every meeting for it will never happen again. Ichi-go ichi-e is a reminder that each tea ceremony is unique even though the elements are familiar.


But it's not only about the specialness of each moment in the moment, but that every moment is eternal, too:

Application for presentation
Each occasion to present or speak publicly is also a unique event although your material may be so familiar that it feels routine. Being completely present in a presentation — right here right now — is something I always touch upon when discussing the delivery of a talk. The moment will never happen again, even if you do the same talk 100 times or more, the audience is different in each case. The audience is different, the time is different, and since your last talk, you are different.

Forever but never again
This idea of ichi-go ichi-e reminded me of a line from a famous jazz ballad from 1949 called "Again" (Mark Murphy's Stolen Moments version is my favorite; here are the lyrics). There is nothing "Zen" about the lyrics or their origins, of course, but there is one line from the song that has stayed with me since I bought the Mark Murphy album when I was 16: "We'll have this moment forever, but never again." I didn't understand that line when I was in high school, but it stuck with me. Now those simple eight words are almost a kind of mantra for me; and the meaning is clear and illuminating.

http://www.presentationzen.com/presentationzen/2008/07/ichi-go-ichi-e-this-is-the-moment.html


Ichi-go ichi-e, my friend!





cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. You are most welcome and I really appreciate the information on the tea ceremony.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:25 PM
Nov 2014

See, that feels good.

It takes effort, though, and thanksgiving to me has always been a day of gratitude.

I reject it origins and the false stories that have grown up around it, but I embrace the opportunity that has been provided by the american tradition. Canadians do it to, but later.

To share food, meet new people and express gratitude for everything you have and all the people you cherish is an important human experience.

I look forward to tomorrow. My british husband had adapted and will also have a great time, I am sure.

Enjoy your day. We are leaving here in a couple of days, so tomorrow will be a goodbye day as well. But I will be back here!

DeadEyeDyck

(1,504 posts)
5. I think the biggest thanks has to go to
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:54 PM
Nov 2014

the big rock that crashed into the (made) Caribbean ocean, wiping out the dinosaurs and allowing mammals to dominate the planet. If not, T-Rex and Dino would be writing these posts.

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
7. A man asked Sono, "How can I make my heart restful?" She told him,
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 10:37 PM
Nov 2014

“Morning and evening, and at all times, say, 'Thank you for everything. I have no complaint' "

After doing so for a year, he still found no effect

Returning to Sono, he said he was unchanged and as unhappy as before

She replied, “Thank you for everything. I have no complaint whatsoever”

Hearing these words, he obtained enlightenment

locks

(2,012 posts)
8. Giving thanks without God
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:52 PM
Nov 2014

I found a book yesterday that we will read with the children today: Giving Thanks by Jonathan London

It starts "Thank you, Mother Earth, Thank you, Father Sky.
This is what my father says, every morning, standing in the field near our house.

Like his Indian friends, singers and storytellers-
Dad believes that the things of nature are a gift.
And that in return, we must give something back.
We must give thanks."

As the father and the child hike through the woods, the child goes on: He gives thanks to the frogs, to the wild mushrooms, to to the trees, to the fox, to the deer, to the quail, to the hawk, to Grandfather Sun for this day, to Grandmother Moon for coming this way.

The child: To me, it's a little embarrassing to say thanks to trees and things,
but Dad says it becomes a habit; it makes you feel good.

"Thank you, stars, I say as we near home.
And the stars come out, one by one, as if from hiding."

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