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struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:00 AM Dec 2014

“The expression of real suffering”: Marxism vs the new atheists

29 NOVEMBER, 2013 · 6:33 PM

... New Atheism has gained influence particularly among the swampy-liberal students and academics on university campuses, as well as other centres of middleclass professional intellectualism. It’s a “quasi-radical” theory because it uses leftwing rhetoric and slogans to make itself attractive and supportable, but has egregious rightwing political attitudes on most issues ...

Take for example New Atheism’s extreme elitism: The Atheists are an educated, privileged minority who know how the world actually is, and they turn their noses at the god-fearing, semi-literate and superstitious riff-raff; looking down on the masses from their ivory towers, showing nothing but condescension and pity, self-assured that their position of privilege and intellectual superiority is assured for time immemorial ...

It is the material circumstances of humans which will shape all other areas of their social life. This means that human relations, including society in general as well as its specific spheres, associations and institutions, are formed out of the economic system that’s in place. This then allows us to understand that politics, culture and jurisprudence, etc, are not abstracted, supra-societal phenomena, but ones that exist only through deep and entrenched ties within the material reality on the ground ...

Despite having written piles upon piles of literature on the subject of religion and its place within society, the actual methodology that New Atheism uses for understanding it is actually very simple and can be summarised within a couple of sentences ... Step one, go through the religious text and find an incriminating quote, especially involving the condoning of an abhorrent act or the commanding of humans to commit such an act; it doesn’t matter how obscure or irrelevant the quote is theologically, as long as it’s written within the text. And considering how the religious texts are ancient, eclectic and completely inconsistent, finding a quote to serve whatever ends is very easy. Step two, find an example in real life of a religious believer committing an abhorrent act. Step three, draw a line between the first two steps and assert that the one caused the other: hence, that it was the content within the religious text that caused this person to commit that abhorrent act. That person’s religiosity only needs to be understood factually; under no circumstance is there the obligation to providing the proof of causality; by simply juxtaposing the two, the casual link is implicitly ascertained and then taken as a priori. And, just in case the conclusions aren’t drawn well enough already, there involves hyperbolic, aggressive and sometimes offensive declarations about the evilness of religious ideas and how religious believers are dangerous people ...

http://permanentsocialism.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/the-expression-of-real-suffering-marxism-vs-the-new-atheists/

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“The expression of real suffering”: Marxism vs the new atheists (Original Post) struggle4progress Dec 2014 OP
Posted a whole year ago, zero comments? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #1
He's quite the semantic wanker, isn't he? Warpy Dec 2014 #2
Permission to use the phrase bvf Dec 2014 #3
There's nothing new about atheism. stone space Dec 2014 #4
There's a lot of loaded language and phrases the author uses Lordquinton Dec 2014 #5

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. Posted a whole year ago, zero comments?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

I wonder who, specifically, was the atheist that shit in this author's cheerios?

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
2. He's quite the semantic wanker, isn't he?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:54 AM
Dec 2014

As for who shit in his Cheerios, it was any atheist who is smarter than he is, which leaves and incredibly wide field to choose from.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
3. Permission to use the phrase
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:35 AM
Dec 2014

"shit in (one's) Cheerios," please.

Yeah, there's obviously an axe to grind there.

I may be well behind the curve here, but I still don't get the phrase "new atheism" beyond the impression that it's a christian coinage for atheists who don't keep their mouths shut.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
4. There's nothing new about atheism.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:23 AM
Dec 2014
but I still don't get the phrase "new atheism"


I don't get it, either.

As near as I can tell, it's a label that tends to get applied to Fundamentalists and Biblical Literalists in the atheist community.

So why not just call them that?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
5. There's a lot of loaded language and phrases the author uses
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:56 PM
Dec 2014

like the very stock neo-con line about college professors.

And apparently Genesis and the story of Noah's ark are obscure bible stories.

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