"What goes on in American Churches?"

[SamG]

FOUL LANGUAGE WARNING !!!

FOUL LANGUAGE WARNING !!!

Also a warning that this "sermon" is filled with lies and fabrications, which many here will find insulting, and thus not a 'true Christian' church preacher.

[sharp_stick]

1. Urge to beat the living shit

out of phony religious asshole rising!

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. That is what goes on in that church, and some few others.

But one cannot say it is "what goes on in American churches".

It absolutely vile, and notice the venom he is spewing at the huge number of churches who don't spew the venom he does.

I'm sure we're gonna hear of this guy landing in jail for something related to sexual criminal activity of one kind or another, or losing his church and his marriage because of an immense string of affairs.

Or, quite likely, both.

I wish people would be more diligent and critical when seeking out a church and a pastor.

[immoderate]

3. What we call a "knucklehead." There is no cure.

Everything becomes a test of how much he can dig in. The more logical you are, the more illogical he will be.

Ray of optimism: While knuckleheads are resistant to logic, sometimes, all by itself, it gets better.

--imm

[Warpy]

4. Holy bullshit! Can we all just say "LATENT?"

I already knew the shit spewed in a lot of pulpits by braying dimwits.

I lived in the south.

If you want to know what's the matter with Kansas, or Dixie, or South Dakota, or any other state where people vote against their own best interest, it starts in pulpits occupied by ranting hate mongers like this one.

[davidthegnome]

5. I suspect he has a very small group of followers

Still, the fact that he has any at all is a bit disturbing. What a disgusting asshole.

[Thats my opinion]

6. Bigotry!! It is what went on in that church--- that one with the Westbore church

does not represent the Christian faith. In fact it is an obscenity and I am ashamed of it.
Nothing like that ever appears here as an example of "churches."--thank God.

[Swamp Lover]

7. This is absolutely not "What goes on in American churches", and to say that it is, is as

narrow minded and bigotted as the words of this "preacher". These are the words of one, sick, man claiming to lead a church.

Claiming that this man is indicative of "churches" (plural) is as accurate as saying that a pedophile who preys on little boys is "what goes on in the hojmosexual community". Not accurate at all.

[SamG]

8. The title of this thread ends in a question mark!

It was posted (on Youtube, not by me)by a British poster who was astounded at what he heard.

Evidently, someone recorded this "service".

[Swamp Lover]

9. then the answer is no.

[eqfan592]

13. No, the bigotry in most American churches isn't this overt.

oh, it's there, but the preachers are far more subtle. It was a big part of what drove me out of my church and my wife out of hers.

[cbayer]

14. Most? You base this on how large a sample?

[eqfan592]

16. Do I really have to go to each individual church to have an idea of what teachings are passed there?

The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox church, the Methodist Church, the Reformed Church in America, the American Baptist Church, the Evangelical Alliance, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Assemblies of God, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons ALL teach that homosexual sex is a sin.

Many may welcome homosexuals into their churches, but that doesn't change how they view homosexuality.

I would say this selection represents the bulk, or "most," of the churches in the United States.

[cbayer]

17. No, but you do need to review the policies of other churches and church based organizations.

While many have already adopted welcoming and affirming positions towards GLBT people and the right to marry, others are still in transition.

I'm not sure anyone can say most. Here is a PEW report from 2010 that is probably some of the most reliable data:
http://www.pewforum.org/Gay-Marriage-and-Homosexuality/Religious-Groups-Official-Positions-on-Same-Sex-Marriage.aspx

And things have progressed since then in many churches.

I agree that there are still way too many, many people who call themselves Christians but don't extend their christianity to GLBT people, to deny that there hasn't been progress is incorrect.

[eqfan592]

23. I never denied there was progress.

I only think it is being optimistic to say that the majority of churches in the US are no longer bigoted in some way against homosexuals. I do appreciate the information, however, and I do find it encouraging!

[SamG]

10. Website for the church where this preacher preaches.

Draw your own conclusions.

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/index.html

"Welcome to the website of Faithful Word Baptist Church!
Over 3 million mp3 sermons have been downloaded from this site!
We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church."

[mr blur]

11. I see a sexual scandal on the horizon -

he's certainly trying too hard/protesting too much.

Oh, and he's a nasty, bigoted arsehole.

If they think it' s a "a young, family-oriented church" (website) then they have strange ideas about what constitutes family content.

[SamG]

12. His web site, (link in my other post above) says he has...

6 children, and I would expect a heterosexual affair to bring him down.

He also has no college education, so that probably explains why he can so easily and un-appologetically lie about historical facts on Barney Frank's age, Frank's non-existent "relations" with boys, and the stimulus bill, so easily.

This is a grifter. There should be a law against these people getting tax-free license to lie like this and promote hate speech so shamelessly.

[cbayer]

15. Agree. He is a grifter and hopefully will fall on his own sword.

[SamG]

18. No matter how we like to ignore this, this DOES GO..

on in American churches today.

Places that are called "churches" places where "people gather in my name" to quote some son of a god.

Whether this affects elections of conservatives over progressives in town elections, state elections, Congressional elections.

We need to pay attention to grifters like this, degree from a college or no degree; religious beliefs of some people pose a national risk to our democracy with propagation of lies like these to believers who vote.

DU is, after all, about politics, and religion is hindering progressive politics in just this kind of way.

[cbayer]

19. Religion also has a role in advancing progressive politics.

I think we need to be careful not to paint all people and organizations with the same brush as we try to quash people like this.

[SamG]

20. I think you might like to re-think your comment. MOST...

people who go to church, who have a progressive agenda, do NOT vote based upon their religious beliefs.

Jews and Protestants and Catholics all voted for Obama, yet their religious beliefs had little to do with whomever they voted for. Nor did the foundations of their religious beliefs require them to vote for Obama, as many in the minority of voters for McCain/Palin were ALSO voting according to their Jewish, Protestant, or Catholic beliefs.

I left out all OTHER religious beliefs, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever, too small a sample to know much about, but I can imagine most Muslims voted for Obama, if they voted at all.

Now, why people, (like you), think that, for some reason, people actually vote for others because of their religion, I'm here to tell you that since Kennedy became President, religion plays such a minor role in who most people vote for. But, I will certainly tell you that people who preach and people who believe what preachers like this put out, vote, they don't vote for progressives, and this kind of false "religion" is really nothing more than political hate speech, all dressed up and tax exempted as an insidious form of "Christian religion".

If one, like you, favors "religious freedom", one must be solidly against any religion that talks about politics, as a way of hiding what is really NO religion, just a political agenda hiding as a religion. Let's see most religions in America come out against political speech, against lying to a congregation for political purposes, that's the least we should expect from all religious leadership in America.

[cbayer]

21. Most progressive Christians I know are democrats because the democratic party

is the party that is most consistent with their beliefs.

I disagree completely that politics has no place in religion. See MLK and Jesse Jackson for prime examples of the role that the church played in significant social and political movements.

In addition, there are many religious organizations that are fighting for GLBT civil rights and other social justice issues.

[darkstar3]

22. It is possible to do the right thing for the wrong reasons.