Bullshit segment on the Shroud of Turin on CBS

[edhopper]

This infuriates me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7404624n
The Shroud is a fraud, it has been proven to be a fraud. It has been demonstrated how it was made. Pigment has been found on it. It has been carbon dated to the 13th century. There is not one bit of evidence and a pile of counter evidence to disprove it is anything but a fake made in the 1200s.
And they can't seem to do a story about it without leading the audience to believe there is some question to it's authenticity.
To me this is a case where things that are of a religious nature, especially Christian, get a much more credulous presentation than warranted by any of the facts.

End of rant.

[skepticscott]

1. As a chronological correction

The Shroud has actually been carbon dated to the 14th century, and was most likely ginned up as a tourism-generating "relic" some time in the 1300's.

[edhopper]

3. Thanks

I should have Wikipedia-ed it for dates.
I was thinking 13th century, it's 1300s.

[alfredo]

7. The artist who created the shroud confessed.

[SamG]

2. I think this is a re-cycled feature story, I remember

seeing something like this before, perhaps last Easter, or the year before, or five years before.

Maybe it's been updated, maybe not. There's scant news to talk about on Easter, and it's not like they can come up with all the fancy Easter bonnets of the year news story and make it much more than a fashion show.

It is very frustrating when stuff like this gets played to the gullible American viewers, in the millions, and they still don't cover the science adequately, nor the history of which religious organization did what with this over the generations, and for what reason$.

[edhopper]

4. They did not interview

a single scientist or skeptic for the segment.
Joe Nickle, for one would have debunked the whole thing for them (he has shown the process by which it could easily been faked using a relief sculpture).

[alfredo]

8. He was the one that found the blood was actually vermillion. He was kicked off the project

for actually telling the truth. He was from our local university (UofK).

[skepticscott]

11. No, he wasn't

Walter McCrone identified the pigments on the Shroud as part of the work of STURP in the late 70's. The 1973 Shroud Commission also concluded that the work was a painting using a red earth pigment. The church and other Shroudies have tried very hard to sweep all of this under the rug, but the findings are really quite simple and straightforward....just not what most people wanted to hear.

Nickell has done some useful writing and investigating on the Shroud, but his stuff came much later.

[alfredo]

16. My memory has faded over time.

[skepticscott]

17. I'd be very curious

to hear if there actually WAS someone at UK who did pigment ID on the Shroud, but I'm quite sure it wasn't Joe Nickell, the CSI Fellow and investigator. Nickell himself mentions nothing about such a thing in his writings on the Shroud, nor does Walter McCrone, who reviews past work on the Shroud quite extensively in his book, and would not likely have left out prior work so relevant to his own.

[AlbertCat]

14. They did not interview a single scientist or skeptic for the segment.

It's a promo for the guy's new book. The ironic fact that he's a MEDIEVAL ART historian, not an expert in burial techniques of the 1st century, seems to have escaped this oh so reverent segment.

Dumb....for the credulous....

[hlthe2b]

5. My heavens,of all the things that have me near seething today--or even mildly frustrated...

this would hardly make the list...

[edhopper]

18. Because it is indicative

of a gullible, unquestioning media that simple can't state a fact. Like evolution is a fact and creationism bunk, or that cutting taxes does not improve the economy or water boarding is torture or that the Republicans want to end Medicare and Social Security.

[alfredo]

6. During the first scientific investigation of the shroud, the blood turned

out to be Vermillion. The researcher who found the paint, was fired. He was from the University of Kentucky and it was news here in Lexington, Ky. Not sure how widely it was reported.

Look at the position of the figure's hands. Now lay on your back and try to cover your genitals as you see in the shroud. Either Jesus was a freak, or the shroud is a fraud. How many corpses have you seen with their hands on their junk?

Now cover your face with grease paint. Now cover your face with a cloth and make an impression on the cloth. Look at the image in the cloth.

[AlbertCat]

13. My favorite detail....

It's a piece of cloth... all pigment aside... woven in a twill weave. Though twill weave has already been invented by Jesus' time, it is not found, so far, in the Middle East at Jesus' time. If there was a piece of linen twill in Jerusalem in Jesus' day, it would have been an expensive import, and not used to wrap the body of a crucified man in..... crucifixion reserved for the lowest of the low... slaves, thieves, etc. So even before you get to what the image is made of, there's the damn cloth itself.

[PoliticAverse]

9. McCrone Research Institute on the Shroud of Turin...

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http://mcri.org/home/section/63-64/the-shroud-of-turin

[SamG]

15. Thanks for the link!

I have seen some summaries of research, probably on TV, back some few years ago.

Believe it or not, when I began questioning my faith, (oh about Junior High School), I saw some strange documentary on TV, (probably on Good Friday, home from school and it was raining so I watched the black and white TV, so now you know it was the 1950's), and that piece of what was then seen as "forensic evidence", (of course we didn't call it that back then), convinced me to stay with the church, continue to go to Sunday School well into my High School years.

I gave up religion in my first year at college, after a gay friend and I sampled a dozen different Sunday services, and found out there was a more fun way to spend Sunday mornings together.

[bvar22]

10. The Shroud has even been debunked....

... on the conservative cable "History" Channels.

[madrchsod]

12. not that crap again...

anything to distract the fact that jesus was just one station in life from the lowest of low in his times. his father was a skilled tradesman who worked when he could. since his mother was`t married at the time she would be a whore. jesus was born in a cave and most of his brothers or sisters would have died at childbirth or shorty there after. jesus got his chance when john the baptist was murdered . the 1% of those times did`t fuck around ..they either starved you to death or they out right killed you.