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Related: About this forumEven Progressive Catholic Leaders Can’t Keep Up With The Public Embrace Of LGBT Rights
Something's gotta give...
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/28/3651818/catholicisms-relationship-lgbt-rights-getting-super-awkward/
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But while Wester and other new bishops arent waging Cordileone-stye campaigns against LGBT equality, they do generally share his conservative understandings of homosexuality, and are often called on to repeat that fact during ongoing debates over marriage equality. Wester, like Cupich, has publicly upheld the Catholic Churchs historic opposition to same-sex marriage on multiple occasions, and called Utahs embrace of marriage equality in 2013 an affront to an institution that is at once sacred and natural. More importantly, while his support for the new Utah LGBT protections law has been echoed by moderate and conservative Catholics alike, many activists argue the compromise although a major achievement for equality advocates in the Beehive state is not an ideal model for the rest of the country. Its wide-ranging religious exemptions are a testament to diplomacy, but are really only commonplace in deeply-religious Utah, where many laws already have religious exemptions. If the same exemptions were instituted in many other states, it would generally would be a step backward for LGBT rights.
The problem with any PR campaign is that eventually, people will see through the lies.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)in supporting this kind of change, there will always be deluded, agenda-driven folks who try to give it credit for leading the way on every type of positive social reform.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I'm sure it's far more pleasant to only think of religion as righting wrongs and uplifting people, but it is an extremely dishonest and harmful view.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)But the way it would behave tomorrow if fundamentalists really had their way.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)And you might as well add on the end of that: "...and how it would go right back to behaving if given the opportunity."
Because we still see the same shit in areas where it has more power.
rug
(82,333 posts)But they are out there.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)To be progressive. The view of homosexuality held by the Catholic Churh is fundamentally bigoted.
rug
(82,333 posts)One of the myriad errors in your understanding of religion.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)One of your myriad, probably intentional, misreading errors. Maybe you should find out what your religion says?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Roman_Catholicism
Homosexuality is objectively disordered. About as bigoted as it gets. And your apologetics are pathetic, as are your constant resorts to ad hominem and deflection in defense of bigotry.
So, do you want to address how thinking homosexuality is disordered isn't bigotry?? Or will it be more name calling and snake and deflection?
rug
(82,333 posts)BTW, that language was written in the Catechism around the time similar language was in the DSM.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/homosexuality-came-dsm/
Next time stick to one question mark. Blood pressure and all.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Which still makes it a bigoted position.
rug
(82,333 posts)MellowDem
(5,018 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)You use that word like it's garlic for a vampire.
No, being wrong is not necessarily bigotry. There's more to it than that.
But I think this view of the Catholic Chirch fits the definition of bigoted very well. If you want to argue that not all Catholics are bigoted, that's another issue, and just relates to my first post in this thread, they aren't following Catholic doctrine.
If you think someone can think homosexuality is disordered and not be a bigot, explain away. I have little patience for putting it on god though, the old "I'm not a bigot, it's just that the God I worship is" isn't very convincing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Pity they spent all that money on pr campaigns instead of actually you know, changing the church.