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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Mon May 4, 2015, 11:19 AM May 2015

5 faith facts about Ben Carson: retired neurosurgeon, Seventh-day Adventist

http://www.religionnews.com/2015/05/04/5-faith-facts-ben-carson-twice-baptized-seventh-day-adventist/


Ben Carson speaking at the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor, Maryland. Photo courtesy of Gage Skidmore, via Wikimedia Commons

Adelle M. Banks | May 4, 2015

(RNS) Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon once best known for separating conjoined baby twins, is expected to announce Monday (May 4) that he will pursue the Republican nomination for U.S. president. Carson is now known as a culture warrior whose criticisms of President Obama have made him a favorite of conservatives. Here are five faith facts about him:

1. He’s a twice-baptized Seventh-day Adventist.

In his book “Gifted Hands,” Carson, 63, describes being baptized as a boy by the pastor of Detroit’s Burns Seventh-day Adventist Church. At age 12, he told the pastor of another Adventist church in the Detroit suburb of Inkster, that he hadn’t completely grasped his first baptism and wanted to be baptized again.

Carson has served as an Adventist local elder and Sabbath school teacher. But he attends other churches. “I spend just as much time in non-Seventh-day Adventist churches because I’m not convinced that the denomination is the most important thing,” he told RNS in 1999. “I think it’s the relationship with God that’s most important.”

2. He prayed before starting any surgery.

“Even when I don’t operate, I pray because I feel that God is the ultimate source of all wisdom,” said Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Baltimore’s Johns Hopkins Hospital, a role that gave him the status of an African-American hero.

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5 faith facts about Ben Carson: retired neurosurgeon, Seventh-day Adventist (Original Post) cbayer May 2015 OP
I get it now! I finally understand what his damage is. bravenak May 2015 #1
Lol! I really haven't spent any time around SDA's, so I'm not sure, but cbayer May 2015 #2
You should watch the movie. bravenak May 2015 #3
Didn't know there was a movie. cbayer May 2015 #4
You're Welcome! bravenak May 2015 #5
Ok, I just watched it and it's really hard not to love him after seeing it. cbayer May 2015 #6
He's a fucking Republican, so, that's a slightly larger liability than his Ego. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #7
I wonder if she will even detect a whiff of her own hypocrisy... trotsky May 2015 #8
I'm thinking it's a good chance she has NO IDEA at all, despite that photo of him at CPAC. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #10
The fact that he was speaking at CPAC should have been a clue... beam me up scottie May 2015 #12
Yeah, well the results of the Jury wouldn't exactly agree with that, now WOULD it? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #23
People who don't want to see right wing bigots praised here need to chill? beam me up scottie May 2015 #24
You might be right if that's what happened... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #36
Wow. Just Wow! n/t kdmorris May 2015 #13
It was a good movie. bravenak May 2015 #9
Apparently young Ben Carson did stab someone Brettongarcia Nov 2015 #119
He sure did! bravenak Nov 2015 #120
Ben Carson stabbed someone Brettongarcia Nov 2015 #121
Why? Why do they not care?? Why? I care! He cannot control himself!!!!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #122
Well said Brettongarcia Nov 2015 #123
I hope not. When he mumbles I do wonder though. What is he telling himself? bravenak Nov 2015 #124
Don't confuse the movie with Ben Carson himself. Brettongarcia Nov 2015 #126
This guy is a Republican homophobic dirtbag kdmorris May 2015 #11
I posted this here for information. cbayer May 2015 #14
You know "exactly what and who he is" and you still love him? beam me up scottie May 2015 #16
*I* need to chill? kdmorris May 2015 #17
Everytime someone announces, there are articles about their religious beliefs and history. cbayer May 2015 #18
"Yes, you need to chill." trotsky May 2015 #19
Do others praise those "REPUBLICAN DIRTBAGS" and say they love them too? beam me up scottie May 2015 #21
Regardless of his politics, the man is an amazing surgeon Starboard Tack May 2015 #37
Totally agree. 840high May 2015 #52
Yeah, I posted some too. What you won't see in mine is AtheistCrusader May 2015 #26
What's loveable about him? Ask the parents of the kids whose lives he saved. Starboard Tack May 2015 #38
So he gets a pass on his homophobic bigotry because of his old day job? truebrit71 May 2015 #40
He gets a pass on nothing. Starboard Tack May 2015 #44
I agree. bravenak May 2015 #85
Oh. Look what we have here. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #127
Ok, add up all the people he's helped, and then add up all the people he stands to hurt if he AtheistCrusader May 2015 #42
Well enjoy your victory kdmorris May 2015 #35
Holy shit! He compared same sex marriage to NAMBLA and bestiality??? beam me up scottie May 2015 #15
Yep and we get to hear from people who think that "it's hard not to love him." trotsky May 2015 #20
Ugh. Some people are blind when it comes to religion. beam me up scottie May 2015 #22
No.Fucking.Shit. truebrit71 May 2015 #46
Wow! Wow! Wow! Just Wow!!!!! Starboard Tack May 2015 #86
Which is the funny part, his homophobia in general or his accusation of gays being pedophiles... truebrit71 May 2015 #89
Just your total wowiness Starboard Tack May 2015 #93
So, as suspected, you've got nothing.. truebrit71 May 2015 #94
Compared to your in depth wowiness, I guess I don't Starboard Tack May 2015 #95
He does so every chance he gets. He's fully transparent in his motives. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #25
Some women are attracted to men who compare ssm to bestiality. beam me up scottie May 2015 #27
Oh no, no, no. No one on a jury would ever believe a poster at DU would do that. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #29
These are good too: beam me up scottie May 2015 #32
During the second baptism, guillaumeb May 2015 #28
As bravenak and I noted above, something is seriously wrong.. cbayer May 2015 #30
It has been called "idiot savant" guillaumeb May 2015 #31
I don't get an autistic vibe at all from him. cbayer May 2015 #33
That is scary. EOM. guillaumeb May 2015 #34
Oh, are we internet diagnosing people now? Is that an acceptable thing today? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #43
Are you a psychiatrist? 840high May 2015 #54
No. But be glad because otherwise I would send you a bill. guillaumeb May 2015 #56
You got a big grin out of me. Thanks. 840high May 2015 #58
glad to help out. guillaumeb May 2015 #73
So fucking what? truebrit71 May 2015 #39
Hey, Here's some unsolicited advice! cbayer May 2015 #41
And some for you... truebrit71 May 2015 #45
Yes! I'm a big fan of homophobes. As you know, I am married to one of the most cbayer May 2015 #47
"if you have zero interest in learning more about bigots, don't open threads about them" truebrit71 May 2015 #48
I will start any threads I want and I will gladly and frequently start threads about bigots cbayer May 2015 #49
Okay. truebrit71 May 2015 #50
For those playing along at home, accusations of homophobia against cbayer's husband (Starboard Tack) trotsky May 2015 #51
Your husband DID equate gay marrieage to marrying your hamster or bicycle, so... cleanhippie May 2015 #64
And a dog and his grandmother. beam me up scottie May 2015 #72
Ayup. That's some DU Progressive values I tell ya! cleanhippie May 2015 #74
I don't hate on people just 840high May 2015 #53
I try to base my feelings and judgements about people on what they do and say. cbayer May 2015 #55
Except that you said right above in post 6 skepticscott May 2015 #57
upthread the other half of the bayer tag team declares his overt homophobia Warren Stupidity May 2015 #59
Who fucking cares about his fucking religious "faith" facts? AlbertCat May 2015 #60
Apparently you care. cbayer May 2015 #61
one of the world's best pediatric neurosurgeons AlbertCat May 2015 #62
If you don't know about his neurosurg creeds, then I suggest you do your homework. cbayer May 2015 #63
I wouldn't be so sure that there is anyone better qualified AlbertCat May 2015 #65
Okey, dokey. cbayer May 2015 #66
Does he believe in evolution? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #69
He doesn't believe in Evolution. Meaning, he doesn't understand biology at all. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #68
It's not "totally irrational" at all. It would be like seeing a psychiatrist who believe in gods, mr blur May 2015 #67
Oh fuck no! All the babies is doomed! Warren Stupidity May 2015 #70
What's irrational about not hiring a surgeon who doesn't believe in evolution? beam me up scottie May 2015 #71
Carson is a raging homophobe of the very worst sort. And you love that Republican hate monger? Bluenorthwest May 2015 #75
No, BNW, of course I don't love him cbayer May 2015 #81
No, that's not what you said skepticscott May 2015 #103
If you claim to be against Pam Geller types and you promote Ben Carson, you are a hypocrite. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #76
... trotsky May 2015 #77
... truebrit71 May 2015 #78
Exactly this!! kdmorris May 2015 #79
Says the person who pretty much exactly fits the description she offers here. cbayer May 2015 #83
Not privileged enough Goblinmonger May 2015 #87
"basically homeless" trotsky May 2015 #90
Not only "basically homeless" skepticscott May 2015 #104
Way to make it personal, cb. trotsky May 2015 #88
You're not Christian? You sure wish you could be, though, don't you? mr blur May 2015 #92
kdmorris isn't married to a homophobe who compares gay marriage to bestiality and incest. beam me up scottie May 2015 #96
Or someone whose liberal, progressive response to women who are denied birth control... trotsky May 2015 #99
"Why would anyone go to a catholic establishment for birth control?" beam me up scottie May 2015 #100
Neither are we. AlbertCat May 2015 #101
What are you saying AlbertCat? cbayer May 2015 #102
x1000! mr blur May 2015 #80
Again, I am not venerating bigoted activists. cbayer May 2015 #82
So when you said "Ok, I just watched it and it's really hard not to love him after seeing it." AtheistCrusader May 2015 #84
Zing! Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #91
Maybe Bluenorthwest has met your husband? beam me up scottie May 2015 #97
Touché Jim__ May 2015 #98
Just to throw in my 2 cents re: SDA - LiberalElite May 2015 #105
I've not known many, but in general I have found them to be pretty low key. cbayer May 2015 #106
We got out of touch, of course - it was a long time ago - LiberalElite May 2015 #107
Sounds like a good man. Many immigrants I have known have been the most selfless cbayer May 2015 #108
He helped me too. LiberalElite May 2015 #109
Probably time to revisit whether it's still "hard not to love" this guy Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #110
Apparently not skepticscott Nov 2015 #112
There was a reason I brought up the statistical correlation between psychopathy and surgeons AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #113
Carson's bio says he knifed someone Brettongarcia Nov 2015 #125
When you use other ways of knowing Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #115
Guess they decided skepticscott Nov 2015 #118
The link in the OP doesn't take me to the story. Jim__ Nov 2015 #111
Yours is the good link to the story. Thanks. Brettongarcia Nov 2015 #114
This is how elections get lost to con-men. Naive people watch a hagiographic movie muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #116
Don't be silly.. skepticscott Nov 2015 #117
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. I get it now! I finally understand what his damage is.
Mon May 4, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

One of my uncles runs his own small congregation. That makes 3 uncles preaching for me and my stepdad rip, who went to seminary. I have to say, the sda uncle was the WORST to go and visit on weekends. Sucked sucked sucked!!! I'd rather go hang with a bunch of statues.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Lol! I really haven't spent any time around SDA's, so I'm not sure, but
Mon May 4, 2015, 12:12 PM
May 2015

he really has had some experiences that have damaged him. That much seems clear.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
3. You should watch the movie.
Mon May 4, 2015, 12:15 PM
May 2015

I think it's called 'Healing Hands' or something like that. Cuba Gooding Jr plays him. Yeah, he had it rough, even stabbed one of his friends. Anger problems. Very bright kid. It was a good movie.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Didn't know there was a movie.
Mon May 4, 2015, 12:17 PM
May 2015

Just looked it up. It's called "Gifted Hands" and is available on Netflix in my location.

Thanks!

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. Ok, I just watched it and it's really hard not to love him after seeing it.
Mon May 4, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

The only I can say is the kind of ego that generally accompanies this kind of surgeon might be a liability when it comes to being POTUS.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. I wonder if she will even detect a whiff of her own hypocrisy...
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:10 PM
May 2015

in condemning those who are supporting Geller's right to free speech (and not her message), versus what she's doing here with Carson. Jaw-dropping hypocrisy.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. I'm thinking it's a good chance she has NO IDEA at all, despite that photo of him at CPAC.
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:26 PM
May 2015

Apparently some people aren't here on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND DOT COM for the politics.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. The fact that he was speaking at CPAC should have been a clue...
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:36 PM
May 2015

Who is attracted to religious conservative men?

Ew.

Just ick.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
23. Yeah, well the results of the Jury wouldn't exactly agree with that, now WOULD it?
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

Looks like a few people need to chill...

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On Mon May 4, 2015, 03:55 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

5 faith facts about Ben Carson: retired neurosurgeon, Seventh-day Adventist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218195925

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Ben Carson is a republican. Not only a Republican, but a homophobic, Obama hating Republican. Posting this here, EVEN IN RELIGION, is a slap in the face to Democrats. To follow that up with how much you "can't help but love someone" who is so homophobic is disgusting. Posting support of Republican candidates is NOT allowed on DU.

More on Ben Carson:

"Obama is a failure"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/ben-carson-cpac_n_6756610.html

homophobic:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/ben-carson-cpac-speech_n_4899410.html

more homophobia, comparing gays to bestiality and pedophilia:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/ben-carson-column_n_357615



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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. People who don't want to see right wing bigots praised here need to chill?
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:29 PM
May 2015

Fuck that.

I will protest shit like this as often and as loudly as I can.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
36. You might be right if that's what happened...
Mon May 4, 2015, 06:52 PM
May 2015

But, it did not, and for some reason, you can't agree about it.

Must be that there's a history here between who posted the BENIGN comment and you. I won't go there. But, you clearly called the comment of "praised" right wing bigots out of line with what was commented here.

I don't subscribe to Religion, just was called to jury on this post. Now, I can see why I don't subscribe here.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
119. Apparently young Ben Carson did stab someone
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:21 AM
Nov 2015

And chased someone with a hammer. As a kid. It's in his bio.

On his way to becoming a surgeon, interestingly.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
124. I hope not. When he mumbles I do wonder though. What is he telling himself?
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:19 AM
Nov 2015

"Calm down Ben, we can stab this one in the alley out back.' Is that what he says to himself? Questions. I have many of them. Many.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
126. Don't confuse the movie with Ben Carson himself.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:14 AM
Nov 2015

As a media critic, it's clear to me that movies, media, take artistic liberties with reality, for the sake of a more appealing yarn.

Without a doubt there's some relation, but not a perfect identity, between the book and movie character, and the real Ben Carson.

The movie character may be "lovable". But how about the real Carson, apparently knifing people and so forth?

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
11. This guy is a Republican homophobic dirtbag
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:35 PM
May 2015

Why did you post this here? How can you say you "can't help but love him"?

"Obama is a failure"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/ben-carson-cpac_n_6756610.html

homophobic:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/ben-carson-cpac-speech_n_4899410.html

more homophobia, comparing gays to bestiality and pedophilia:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/ben-carson-column_n_3576153.html

You need to self delete this shit. It doesn't belong here.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. I posted this here for information.
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:41 PM
May 2015

Have you seen the movie? My response was in response to the movie.

I know exactly what and who he is and I support absolutely nothing about him.

You need to chill. If you think this doesn't belong here, alert it morris.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. You know "exactly what and who he is" and you still love him?
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:44 PM
May 2015
cbayer (144,023 posts)

6. Ok, I just watched it and it's really hard not to love him after seeing it.

The only I can say is the kind of ego that generally accompanies this kind of surgeon might be a liability when it comes to being POTUS.


kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
17. *I* need to chill?
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

Fine... I'll alert it then.

Even in the religion section posting information about REPUBLICAN DIRTBAGS is not supposed to be allowed.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
18. Everytime someone announces, there are articles about their religious beliefs and history.
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:50 PM
May 2015

I post them all the time.

In addition, there are tons of articles on this site about REPUBLICAN DIRTBAGS and they are very much allowed.

In fact, I would say it's really important to know everything we can know about them.

Yes, you need to chill. Good luck with your alert. I would love to see the results.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
37. Regardless of his politics, the man is an amazing surgeon
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:43 AM
May 2015

And yes, the movie was excellent. Cuba Gooding Jr made him very likeable. Check it out. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember the amazing surgery this guy performed on conjoined twins, but I remember and it moved the world. Deal with it BMUS, all the good guys don't agree with us about everything.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
26. Yeah, I posted some too. What you won't see in mine is
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:40 PM
May 2015

'it's hard not to love him' in reference to some vicious bigoted republican candidate.

What the fuck is loveable about a person like him?

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
38. What's loveable about him? Ask the parents of the kids whose lives he saved.
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:52 AM
May 2015

He was notably the world's greatest pediatric neurosurgeon. Plenty to love there.
Unfortunately, his politics suck. None of us are perfect. Some liberals profess to be "peace purists" yet attack those who show tolerance toward believers at every opportunity. Hard to love them, but we do. Some like to carry guns around. Hard to love them, but we do. Go figure!
Most of us, fortunately, do not live in a black and white world. Come enjoy the color and diversity sometime. You'll be amazed.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
44. He gets a pass on nothing.
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:40 AM
May 2015

Especially his bigotry. But he should still get credit for his positive accomplishments. We all have some redeeming qualities, at least I hope so.
I wish he would go back to his "old day job" as you call it, where he would be far more useful.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
127. Oh. Look what we have here.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:13 AM
Nov 2015

What an amazing thread someone necro'd... Forgot all about this one.

Fascinating.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
42. Ok, add up all the people he's helped, and then add up all the people he stands to hurt if he
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:33 AM
May 2015

obtains political power in the US.

His politics are the only thing of relevance at this point in time.

I've explained the 'peace purist' tag umpteen fucking times to you, yet you continue to misconstrue it. I can only conclude it is willful at this point.

There is nothing diverse about Carson. He's a republican. He would burn down the ACA if he could. He would ban same sex marriage if he could. Opposes 'abortion of convenience' as he terms it, he has likened homosexuality to pedophilia, wants school vouchers to further erode public education, open current drilling moratoriums offshore around critical habitat in Alaska and around the US to exploitation, proponent of American Exceptionalism, the son of a bitch actually said 'ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery.'. We're talking about a neurosurgeon that doesn't believe in evolution. He claimed passing freshman inorganic chemistry was literally a divine miracle.

He's not running for Head Pediatric Neurosurgeon of the United States. He's running for President of the United States. His 'likeable' history as a surgeon is irrelevant. (and dubious) ONLY his politics are relevant now.

'His politics', which we agree 'suck', are who he is now. He's not a pediatric neurosurgeon anymore.

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
35. Well enjoy your victory
Mon May 4, 2015, 06:43 PM
May 2015

And enjoy "loving" this piece of shit Republican. I am disgusted that you think something like that. I used to think better of you (I KNOW you don't care, so don't bother). If Ted Cruz said tomorrow that he is an Atheist - I would still fucking say that he's a dirt bag and hate every single thing he stands for. I could never love ANYTHING about a person that is so hate filled and would deny the very basic rights to an entire group of people. It is especially heinous when the Supreme Court is right now considering a case on whether we will have marriage equality or not.

I WILL NEVER CHILL OUT ABOUT MARRIAGE EQUALITY. I will never shut up about what fuckwits people (like Ben Carson) who would deny marriage equality are. WHAT IS THERE TO DISCUSS? What merits? There is absolutely no merit to this person or his arguments. He hates Obama and he hates LGBT people as well. It's bad enough that you posted it with this great positive link about him, but to then say "I can't help but love him" is disgusting beyond measure.

Since I cannot possibly express my abhorrence at your attitude without you actually getting me a hide, back on my ignore list you go.

I know you cannot resist having the last word, but don't bother. I won't read it. I have absolutely nothing to say to you. I know that you WON'T resist and will reply anyway, but that'll just be pathetic... go for it. Being pathetic is not worse than being unable to help one's self but to love a homophobic, nasty, Obama-hating, Republican dirtbag like Ben Carson.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Holy shit! He compared same sex marriage to NAMBLA and bestiality???
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:42 PM
May 2015
Back in April 2013, Carson stepped down as commencement speaker for Johns Hopkins University's School of Medicine after making some gay marriage comments that sparked outrage from students and faculty.

"It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society, and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality -- it doesn’t matter what they are -- they don’t get to change the definition," he said in a Fox News appearance at the time.


The "PC police" are trying to shut him up?

In his first column, Carson criticized what he called the "PC police" who pounced on comments he made about gay marriage during an appearance on Fox News. In an interview with Sean Hannity on the television network, he said gays and lesbians should not be able to change the definition of marriage, and neither should those who practice bestiality or pedophilia.


And cbayer thinks "it's really hard not to love him "?

He makes my womb shrivel.

But that's just me.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
20. Yep and we get to hear from people who think that "it's hard not to love him."
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:51 PM
May 2015

Ben Carson, the lovable bigot!

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
89. Which is the funny part, his homophobia in general or his accusation of gays being pedophiles...
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

...I'm curious?

Or does he have to equate it with marrying his bicycle or hamster before he's crossed a line?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=124676

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
93. Just your total wowiness
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

It's like Wowee! Deep man, real deep. Your outrage is noted in each "WOW!"

Regarding Carson, he is a bigot and a very rigid individual, which is unfortunate, to say the least. Especially so as he is/was a brilliant surgeon. Baffling how such a man could be so ignorant.

Did he actually say that gays are pedophiles? I must've missed that one. Very sad.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
94. So, as suspected, you've got nothing..
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:37 PM
May 2015

...except for a strange attraction to bicycles and occasional urges to wed pet rodents....

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
95. Compared to your in depth wowiness, I guess I don't
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:50 PM
May 2015

Now, if you don't mind, my hamster is waiting to go on a bike ride to the nearest church, where we will pray for all the rotten people in the world.

Cheerio!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
25. He does so every chance he gets. He's fully transparent in his motives.
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

He's a bigot and an asshole, and of the worst the right wing has to offer..

But apparently his life story makes a touching tale or some shit? I dunno. I'd ask Cbayer to 'splain that, but apparently there's some rube-goldbergian 'like the character of ben carson in the context of one speech and a movie made about him' rather than Ben Carson the Republican Candidate state of quantum duality going on here.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
28. During the second baptism,
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:49 PM
May 2015

was he held under the water a little too long? It might explain the sheer craziness of much of what he says.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
30. As bravenak and I noted above, something is seriously wrong..
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:52 PM
May 2015

it's just hard to know what exactly it is.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
31. It has been called "idiot savant"
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:56 PM
May 2015

and has also been called "autistic savant". But the preferred term is savant syndrome.

"Savant syndrome is a rare, but extraordinary, condition in which persons with serious mental disabilities, including autistic disorder, have some ‘island of genius’ which stands in marked, incongruous contrast to overall handicap. As many as one in 10 persons with autistic disorder have such remarkable abilities in varying degrees, although savant syndrome occurs in other developmental disabilities or in other types of central nervous system injury or disease as well. Whatever the particular savant skill, it is always linked to massive memory. This paper presents a brief review of the phenomenology of savant skills, the history of the concept and implications for education and future research."
Read more at the link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677584/

Carson has obvious skills, but his worldview is seriously flawed.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
33. I don't get an autistic vibe at all from him.
Mon May 4, 2015, 06:02 PM
May 2015

If I had to guess, I would say he worldview was created by both nature and nurture.

From Malice:

So I ask you; when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their wife doesn't miscarry or that their daughter doesn't bleed to death or that their mother doesn't suffer acute neural trama from postoperative shock, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _Dennis_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in operating room number two on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
56. No. But be glad because otherwise I would send you a bill.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

Just offering a possibility here. The man is obviously intelligent and capable in his field, but his worldview, judging by his statements, is skewed.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
39. So fucking what?
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:22 AM
May 2015

He's s piece of shit, homophobic, hypocritical, REPUBLICAN, asshole. Who fucking cares about his fucking religious "faith" facts?

The ONLY fact that matters is that he's a fucking REPUBLICAN.....

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
41. Hey, Here's some unsolicited advice!
Tue May 5, 2015, 09:42 AM
May 2015

Don't want to know more about Ben Carson? Don't open threads about him.

While I agree with your assessment about him, I am also interested in learning more about him and why he is who he is.

If just being a fucking REPUBLICAN is good enough for you, your reading list is going to get much shorter.

Kudos!

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
45. And some for you...
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:47 AM
May 2015

...try being less of a fan of homophobes, or those that equate homosexuality with NAMBLA or bestiality and you'll have fewer people get mad at you...

I have zero interest in learning about bigots, and I could care less 'why he is who he is'...he's a bigot, that's all there is to disqualify him from me "loving him" as you apparently do...

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
47. Yes! I'm a big fan of homophobes. As you know, I am married to one of the most
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:54 AM
May 2015

homophobic individuals on the planet.



As I said, if you have zero interest in learning more about bigots, don't open threads about them.

FWIW, I loved the character in the movie, which should have been clear to any halfway intelligent person who read this thread. His politics played no role at all in the film and I see that this film could be a huge asset to him in his presidential campaign. That is what I was commenting on.

Personally, as I have made clear, I think he's a despicable homophobic republican who I hope has absolutely no chance of getting anywhere near the white house, even as a guest.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
48. "if you have zero interest in learning more about bigots, don't open threads about them"
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

How about not starting threads about bigots in the first place?

Too much to ask for you and your married "homophobic bigot"?

"should have been clear to any halfway intelligent person" careful, that was very close to a personal attack...

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
49. I will start any threads I want and I will gladly and frequently start threads about bigots
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:01 PM
May 2015

because I believe the more you know, the better armed you are.

Sunshine is a good disinfectant and I am happy to shine light on everything I think needs it, including posts by some members who distort in order to defame.

I'm not a homophobe. My husband is not a homophobe. You saying it will never make it true.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
51. For those playing along at home, accusations of homophobia against cbayer's husband (Starboard Tack)
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:24 PM
May 2015

come from statements he's made comparing marriage equality to marrying his "bicycle" or "hamster" or "dead grandmother." Many DUers have been concerned about repetition of "slippery slope" memes that have been used by the right wing to generate fear and hatred for years. We don't feel such hateful speech should be on DU.

Starboard Tack has responded to such criticisms/suggestions with hostility and attacks, insisting that he's actually way more super-tolerant than anyone else, and believes ANY marriage should be allowed. No word on whether he thinks a grown man should be able to marry a 9-year-old girl though.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
64. Your husband DID equate gay marrieage to marrying your hamster or bicycle, so...
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:13 AM
May 2015

perhaps that sarcasm tag is unwarranted.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
53. I don't hate on people just
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:30 PM
May 2015

because they are republicans. Those people are American citizens as much as I am. I don't mind differences in opinions.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
55. I try to base my feelings and judgements about people on what they do and say.
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:48 PM
May 2015

In this case, there are many things that Carson has done and said that warrant a very, very negative assessment. He also has a very fascinating personal history and some of what he has done in the past warrants positive regard.

But, when it comes down to it, I will do whatever I can to prevent him from getting to the WH.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
57. Except that you said right above in post 6
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:15 PM
May 2015
"it's really hard not to love him"

Not sure on what plane of reality that's a "very, very negative assessment"

You really can't bear not having things both ways, can you? One minute, you want to love a virulently homophobic bigot, by your own words, and the next minute you want to look like you disapprove strongly of him. There's a word for that...
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
59. upthread the other half of the bayer tag team declares his overt homophobia
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:17 PM
May 2015

Last edited Tue May 5, 2015, 10:52 PM - Edit history (1)

inconsequential because he's such a great surgeon. Fruit is not falling far from the tree here.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
60. Who fucking cares about his fucking religious "faith" facts?
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:51 AM
May 2015

I sure would if he was my doctor! Who the hell wants a neurosurgeon that depends on ancient superstitions?

Fortunately for everyone, he's no longer practicing!

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
61. Apparently you care.
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:02 AM
May 2015

Not only that, you care so much that you would turn down the services of one of the world's best pediatric neurosurgeons simply because he held religious beliefs.

That's totally irrational.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
62. one of the world's best pediatric neurosurgeons
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:03 AM
May 2015

I don't know that such praise of his abilities is justified.

I'm SURE there are other equally or better qualified pediatric neurosurgeons who don't believe one of the stupidest. most ridiculous and totally irrational religious sects on the planet.

I do not want any doctor who believes complete bunk. I want a rational doctor who does not depend on supernatural anything one iota. Certainly not one who thinks all wisdom comes from a made up sky spook or who needs to pray before operating. Nothing irrational about it, since there is nothing magical or supernatural about medicine, by brain or body.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
63. If you don't know about his neurosurg creeds, then I suggest you do your homework.
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:10 AM
May 2015

I wouldn't be so sure that there is anyone better qualified and I wouldn't assume anything about their religious beliefs.

So you will only see a doctor with no religious beliefs? Do you ask them about this before seeing them? Would you truly reject anyone simply because they had beliefs, even if they were the best medical practitioner available to you?

That's is totally irrational and, frankly, much more irrational than your run of the mill religious beliefs. It is fundamentalism at it's worst.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
65. I wouldn't be so sure that there is anyone better qualified
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:16 AM
May 2015

I'm SURE there is (was).

There are many doctors and nurses in my family. I know there is rarely....if not ever... "the best" in any field. ONE of the best maybe... but I'll chose the other one that isn't a witch doctor.


But why you want to argue a moot pint is beyond me.... since your RW lover boy has retired to become another loony Repug. Actually it's not beyond me... you just want to call me names and pretend you are better than I. Go ahead Knock yourself out! It's what you do. No one takes it seriously.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
66. Okey, dokey.
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:28 AM
May 2015

If you need a pediatric neurosurgeon who has no religious beliefs, best of luck to you.

So, I ask again. Do you question your doctors about their religious beliefs before engaging them? Do you rule out every physician who is religious as a "witch doctor"?

How about other professionals you may need to engage? Your plumber? Vendors that supply what you need to your business?

Your position is so extreme, Albert, but I think it's more bluster than fact.

In NOLA during the height of the AIDS crisis, the absolute best oncologist in town was pretty much the only physician that would see the flood of patients coming in. I'd say he was far and away the best, but I'm ok if you want to call him ONE of the best.

He was a gay man, so not only was he taking on the unspeakable pain of the medical side of this tragedy, he was also dealing with the overwhelming loss of those who were closest to him, including his own partner.

He was religious and his religious beliefs sustained him during these years. He would tell you that without them, he would not have survived. Even with them, I'm not sure how he did it. He was and remains a close personal hero of mine and a dear friend.

So, what I hear you saying is that if you had been in NOLA at the time and you had needed his services, you would have rejected him and looked for another oncologist who had no religious beliefs.

Irrational doesn't even come close to describing that position.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
69. Does he believe in evolution?
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:24 PM
May 2015

If so, that means he probably has an ok grasp of biology.

If not, run, do not walk, to the door, and leave.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
68. He doesn't believe in Evolution. Meaning, he doesn't understand biology at all.
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

He may have good technical skills at one particular thing, but it's built on a foundation of NOTHING AT ALL.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
67. It's not "totally irrational" at all. It would be like seeing a psychiatrist who believe in gods,
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:21 AM
May 2015

How can you trust them to identify what is a delusion and what isn't?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
70. Oh fuck no! All the babies is doomed!
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:16 PM
May 2015

In March 2013, Carson announced he would retire as a surgeon, stating "I'd much rather quit when I'm at the top of my game".[16] His retirement became official on July 1, 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson

This is an unmitigated disaster. What will the planet do without the "gifted hands" of this person you have remote diagnosed as having something seriously wrong with him?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
71. What's irrational about not hiring a surgeon who doesn't believe in evolution?
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

I wouldn't want that creationist whackjob anywhere near my loved ones.

What's irrational, cbayer, is professing your love for a hateful homophobic Republican asshole because he seemed heroic in a movie.







 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
75. Carson is a raging homophobe of the very worst sort. And you love that Republican hate monger?
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:39 AM
May 2015

Whatever. This is supposed to be Democratic Underground, not Republican Central. It's also supposed to be welcoming to all Democrats. This is bullshit.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
81. No, BNW, of course I don't love him
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:43 AM
May 2015

What I said was that it is hard not to love the character that is portrayed in the movie about him.

The movie never touches his political beliefs and really idealizes him.

It's Democratic Underground, where people can have different POV"S and it is expected that others will see them in context.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
103. No, that's not what you said
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

You said nothing about the character. You said "it's really hard not to love him"

You could have chosen any number of people to praise, but you chose this one. How do you think your many LGBT friends would feel knowing that Carson is getting this kind of support from "the left"?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
76. If you claim to be against Pam Geller types and you promote Ben Carson, you are a hypocrite.
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:57 AM
May 2015

Sorry. This bullying by the religious on DU has to stop. If you want to venerate bigoted activists, do so as a matter of private devotion. This is as offensive as promoting Geller or David Duke. You and your spouse do not get that because you are straight white Christian and very well off, privileged in every possible way. Others sure can see it. And it's nasty.

I would never in a million years promote anyone who said about Christians what Carson says about LGBT people. I was raised to treat others as I would like to be treated. It's a revolutionary concept. You should try it.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
83. Says the person who pretty much exactly fits the description she offers here.
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:50 AM
May 2015

A couple that is white, straight and privileged in every way. Not christian? Neither are we.


 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
87. Not privileged enough
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:27 PM
May 2015

to be able to sail around the world and work for citizenship in countries more tax friendly than the US.

Oh, and another difference between you and her, she recognizes her privilege every time I've ever seen an opportunity for it. You try to pass yourself off as basically homeless.



trotsky

(49,533 posts)
90. "basically homeless"
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

I will never forget that. I don't know ANYBODY that considers someone living on a boat off the coast of Mexico and taking mega-holidays in Italy to be "basically homeless."

What a fucking insult - it could only ever come from someone blithely unaware of their privilege.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
92. You're not Christian? You sure wish you could be, though, don't you?
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015

Daddy issues, perhaps? You should see a psychiatrist and try to work through it. You could probably find a nice Republican one who's a really good person, heroic maybe, underneath the greed and bigotry.

I know you're a tax exile, but don't they have mental health professionals (I mean real ones, not the ones you find in the Religion Group) in Mexico, too?

Note to Jury - yes, this is a personal attack. These people are despicable. They're the privileged, ignorant, entitled percentage that make DU suck. Carry on.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
100. "Why would anyone go to a catholic establishment for birth control?"
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:52 PM
May 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=123522

And the RCC's influence doesn't adversely affect non-catholics:

I have little to no interest in Catholic policies or "power"

They don't affect me. I am not a Catholic. How do they affect you? Right, they don't. You and your little group just troll them to find fodder for your anti-theist propaganda.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=123326


Must be nice to be so privileged you don't even realize that women everywhere suffer because of the RCC's war on women.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
102. What are you saying AlbertCat?
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

Are you calling me and my husband liars? If so, have the stones to come out and say it instead of using terms better suited for a 14 year old.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
82. Again, I am not venerating bigoted activists.
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:47 AM
May 2015

I despise the politics and positions ov Ben Carson and would fight with everything I had to defeat him.

It is the character in a movie that I was responding to. People, including you, see what you want to see, but at no time have I said that I supported or was promoting Carson in any way.

The movie is disturbing because it elicits a very positive response and it may be the only thing that many people ever know about it.

Your perception of me and my husband is wrong on many levels and your making this personal is what is nasty. I have never treated you with anything but respect, but received virtually nothing even coming close to that from you. So much for treating others as you would like to be treated, huh.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
84. So when you said "Ok, I just watched it and it's really hard not to love him after seeing it."
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:00 PM
May 2015
"The only I can say is the kind of ego that generally accompanies this kind of surgeon might be a liability when it comes to being POTUS."


you were just talking about a fake fluff piece movie character becoming president, rather than Ben Carson himself, I take it?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
97. Maybe Bluenorthwest has met your husband?
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:11 PM
May 2015
Your perception of me and my husband is wrong on many levels and your making this personal is what is nasty. I have never treated you with anything but respect, but received virtually nothing even coming close to that from you. So much for treating others as you would like to be treated, huh.


I take his comments comparing same sex marriage to incest and bestiality personally.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=196845


Maybe you should clean your own house before accusing others of treating people badly.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
105. Just to throw in my 2 cents re: SDA -
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:11 PM
May 2015

I worked with an SDA many years ago, and he was a good guy, although he did espouse a few uh, unusual beliefs. Immigrant from Sierra Leone. Died in his 30s from cancer. Left behind a wife and a couple of kids.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
106. I've not known many, but in general I have found them to be pretty low key.
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:14 PM
May 2015

I don't think I've ever seen an SDA proselytize. The only unusual thing I noticed was the church on saturday instead of sunday thing.

Sad story about your co-worker. I hope his wife and kids did ok.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
107. We got out of touch, of course - it was a long time ago -
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:23 PM
May 2015

but I do remember him as really selfless. For example, he'd get a seat on the subway with the intention of giving it up to someone, not keeping it.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
108. Sounds like a good man. Many immigrants I have known have been the most selfless
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:34 PM
May 2015

people around. They are often so deeply grateful and intent on giving back every chance they get.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
110. Probably time to revisit whether it's still "hard not to love" this guy
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
Nov 2015

So is lying not a problem for Seventh Day Adventists?

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
112. Apparently not
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:29 PM
Nov 2015

Ben Carson Admits Fabricating West Point Scholarship

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141253006

Apparently supporting and praising a lying psychopath like Carson is no problem for some DUers, who state explicitly that "it's hard not to love him".

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
113. There was a reason I brought up the statistical correlation between psychopathy and surgeons
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

in the other thread.

This is it.

(I am not a psychologist, and I do not play one on TV, but Ben Carson has an issue and symptoms are not incompatible with this statistical probability, talent as a surgeon included)

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
125. Carson's bio says he knifed someone
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

In his younger days.

Someone said surgeons were often originally aggressive persons, who didn't mind doing violence to the human body.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
115. When you use other ways of knowing
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:09 PM
Nov 2015

you don't have to account for mistakes, they just disappear. Works for Carson and for our now mostly disappeared Defenders of the Faith.

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
111. The link in the OP doesn't take me to the story.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

Here's an updated link to what I believe is the same story published at a later date.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
116. This is how elections get lost to con-men. Naive people watch a hagiographic movie
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:42 AM
Nov 2015

and think it is a genuine, balanced portrait of reality, and decide it's "hard not to love him". Not "love the portrayal", "love the character", but "love him".

This is also probably a consequence of thinking that it's OK that religiously-raised children find it harder to distinguish between fiction and reality.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
117. Don't be silly..
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

We've been told that SOME people's religious upbringing taught them to question everything

SOME people boast about the "spirited" discussions they always had over the dinner table...even though there is no sign they ever learned to be discriminating thinkers.

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