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http://www.religionnews.com/2015/05/04/5-faith-facts-ben-carson-twice-baptized-seventh-day-adventist/Ben Carson speaking at the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor, Maryland. Photo courtesy of Gage Skidmore, via Wikimedia Commons
Adelle M. Banks | May 4, 2015
(RNS) Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon once best known for separating conjoined baby twins, is expected to announce Monday (May 4) that he will pursue the Republican nomination for U.S. president. Carson is now known as a culture warrior whose criticisms of President Obama have made him a favorite of conservatives. Here are five faith facts about him:
1. Hes a twice-baptized Seventh-day Adventist.
In his book Gifted Hands, Carson, 63, describes being baptized as a boy by the pastor of Detroits Burns Seventh-day Adventist Church. At age 12, he told the pastor of another Adventist church in the Detroit suburb of Inkster, that he hadnt completely grasped his first baptism and wanted to be baptized again.
Carson has served as an Adventist local elder and Sabbath school teacher. But he attends other churches. I spend just as much time in non-Seventh-day Adventist churches because Im not convinced that the denomination is the most important thing, he told RNS in 1999. I think its the relationship with God thats most important.
2. He prayed before starting any surgery.
Even when I dont operate, I pray because I feel that God is the ultimate source of all wisdom, said Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Baltimores Johns Hopkins Hospital, a role that gave him the status of an African-American hero.
more at link
bravenak
(34,648 posts)One of my uncles runs his own small congregation. That makes 3 uncles preaching for me and my stepdad rip, who went to seminary. I have to say, the sda uncle was the WORST to go and visit on weekends. Sucked sucked sucked!!! I'd rather go hang with a bunch of statues.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)he really has had some experiences that have damaged him. That much seems clear.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think it's called 'Healing Hands' or something like that. Cuba Gooding Jr plays him. Yeah, he had it rough, even stabbed one of his friends. Anger problems. Very bright kid. It was a good movie.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Just looked it up. It's called "Gifted Hands" and is available on Netflix in my location.
Thanks!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gifted Hands, my bad. I knew it was about hands at least.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)The only I can say is the kind of ego that generally accompanies this kind of surgeon might be a liability when it comes to being POTUS.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Edit: And a bigot. And an asshole.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/ben-carson-cpac-speech_n_4899410.html
trotsky
(49,533 posts)in condemning those who are supporting Geller's right to free speech (and not her message), versus what she's doing here with Carson. Jaw-dropping hypocrisy.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Apparently some people aren't here on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND DOT COM for the politics.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Who is attracted to religious conservative men?
Ew.
Just ick.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Looks like a few people need to chill...
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Ben Carson is a republican. Not only a Republican, but a homophobic, Obama hating Republican. Posting this here, EVEN IN RELIGION, is a slap in the face to Democrats. To follow that up with how much you "can't help but love someone" who is so homophobic is disgusting. Posting support of Republican candidates is NOT allowed on DU.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/ben-carson-column_n_357615
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fuck that.
I will protest shit like this as often and as loudly as I can.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)But, it did not, and for some reason, you can't agree about it.
Must be that there's a history here between who posted the BENIGN comment and you. I won't go there. But, you clearly called the comment of "praised" right wing bigots out of line with what was commented here.
I don't subscribe to Religion, just was called to jury on this post. Now, I can see why I don't subscribe here.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)But yeah, his ego is HUGE.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)And chased someone with a hammer. As a kid. It's in his bio.
On his way to becoming a surgeon, interestingly.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)As a kid. And no one cares?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)Though maybe it's worse than that. Maybe he's a controlled, cold-blooded ...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)"Calm down Ben, we can stab this one in the alley out back.' Is that what he says to himself? Questions. I have many of them. Many.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)As a media critic, it's clear to me that movies, media, take artistic liberties with reality, for the sake of a more appealing yarn.
Without a doubt there's some relation, but not a perfect identity, between the book and movie character, and the real Ben Carson.
The movie character may be "lovable". But how about the real Carson, apparently knifing people and so forth?
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Why did you post this here? How can you say you "can't help but love him"?
"Obama is a failure"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/ben-carson-cpac_n_6756610.html
homophobic:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/ben-carson-cpac-speech_n_4899410.html
more homophobia, comparing gays to bestiality and pedophilia:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/ben-carson-column_n_3576153.html
You need to self delete this shit. It doesn't belong here.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Have you seen the movie? My response was in response to the movie.
I know exactly what and who he is and I support absolutely nothing about him.
You need to chill. If you think this doesn't belong here, alert it morris.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)6. Ok, I just watched it and it's really hard not to love him after seeing it.
The only I can say is the kind of ego that generally accompanies this kind of surgeon might be a liability when it comes to being POTUS.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Fine... I'll alert it then.
Even in the religion section posting information about REPUBLICAN DIRTBAGS is not supposed to be allowed.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I post them all the time.
In addition, there are tons of articles on this site about REPUBLICAN DIRTBAGS and they are very much allowed.
In fact, I would say it's really important to know everything we can know about them.
Yes, you need to chill. Good luck with your alert. I would love to see the results.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Way to make it personal, cb. Guess you're waving the white flag, huh?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)And yes, the movie was excellent. Cuba Gooding Jr made him very likeable. Check it out. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember the amazing surgery this guy performed on conjoined twins, but I remember and it moved the world. Deal with it BMUS, all the good guys don't agree with us about everything.
840high
(17,196 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)'it's hard not to love him' in reference to some vicious bigoted republican candidate.
What the fuck is loveable about a person like him?
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)He was notably the world's greatest pediatric neurosurgeon. Plenty to love there.
Unfortunately, his politics suck. None of us are perfect. Some liberals profess to be "peace purists" yet attack those who show tolerance toward believers at every opportunity. Hard to love them, but we do. Some like to carry guns around. Hard to love them, but we do. Go figure!
Most of us, fortunately, do not live in a black and white world. Come enjoy the color and diversity sometime. You'll be amazed.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Is that it?
Interesting.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Especially his bigotry. But he should still get credit for his positive accomplishments. We all have some redeeming qualities, at least I hope so.
I wish he would go back to his "old day job" as you call it, where he would be far more useful.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)What an amazing thread someone necro'd... Forgot all about this one.
Fascinating.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)obtains political power in the US.
His politics are the only thing of relevance at this point in time.
I've explained the 'peace purist' tag umpteen fucking times to you, yet you continue to misconstrue it. I can only conclude it is willful at this point.
There is nothing diverse about Carson. He's a republican. He would burn down the ACA if he could. He would ban same sex marriage if he could. Opposes 'abortion of convenience' as he terms it, he has likened homosexuality to pedophilia, wants school vouchers to further erode public education, open current drilling moratoriums offshore around critical habitat in Alaska and around the US to exploitation, proponent of American Exceptionalism, the son of a bitch actually said 'ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery.'. We're talking about a neurosurgeon that doesn't believe in evolution. He claimed passing freshman inorganic chemistry was literally a divine miracle.
He's not running for Head Pediatric Neurosurgeon of the United States. He's running for President of the United States. His 'likeable' history as a surgeon is irrelevant. (and dubious) ONLY his politics are relevant now.
'His politics', which we agree 'suck', are who he is now. He's not a pediatric neurosurgeon anymore.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)And enjoy "loving" this piece of shit Republican. I am disgusted that you think something like that. I used to think better of you (I KNOW you don't care, so don't bother). If Ted Cruz said tomorrow that he is an Atheist - I would still fucking say that he's a dirt bag and hate every single thing he stands for. I could never love ANYTHING about a person that is so hate filled and would deny the very basic rights to an entire group of people. It is especially heinous when the Supreme Court is right now considering a case on whether we will have marriage equality or not.
I WILL NEVER CHILL OUT ABOUT MARRIAGE EQUALITY. I will never shut up about what fuckwits people (like Ben Carson) who would deny marriage equality are. WHAT IS THERE TO DISCUSS? What merits? There is absolutely no merit to this person or his arguments. He hates Obama and he hates LGBT people as well. It's bad enough that you posted it with this great positive link about him, but to then say "I can't help but love him" is disgusting beyond measure.
Since I cannot possibly express my abhorrence at your attitude without you actually getting me a hide, back on my ignore list you go.
I know you cannot resist having the last word, but don't bother. I won't read it. I have absolutely nothing to say to you. I know that you WON'T resist and will reply anyway, but that'll just be pathetic... go for it. Being pathetic is not worse than being unable to help one's self but to love a homophobic, nasty, Obama-hating, Republican dirtbag like Ben Carson.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"Its a well-established, fundamental pillar of society, and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality -- it doesnt matter what they are -- they dont get to change the definition," he said in a Fox News appearance at the time.
The "PC police" are trying to shut him up?
And cbayer thinks "it's really hard not to love him "?
He makes my womb shrivel.
But that's just me.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Ben Carson, the lovable bigot!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)IOKIYAC
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Wow, just wow...
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...I'm curious?
Or does he have to equate it with marrying his bicycle or hamster before he's crossed a line?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=124676
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)It's like Wowee! Deep man, real deep. Your outrage is noted in each "WOW!"
Regarding Carson, he is a bigot and a very rigid individual, which is unfortunate, to say the least. Especially so as he is/was a brilliant surgeon. Baffling how such a man could be so ignorant.
Did he actually say that gays are pedophiles? I must've missed that one. Very sad.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...except for a strange attraction to bicycles and occasional urges to wed pet rodents....
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Now, if you don't mind, my hamster is waiting to go on a bike ride to the nearest church, where we will pray for all the rotten people in the world.
Cheerio!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He's a bigot and an asshole, and of the worst the right wing has to offer..
But apparently his life story makes a touching tale or some shit? I dunno. I'd ask Cbayer to 'splain that, but apparently there's some rube-goldbergian 'like the character of ben carson in the context of one speech and a movie made about him' rather than Ben Carson the Republican Candidate state of quantum duality going on here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Some even marry them.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You gotta give them a link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=178730
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=124676
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=124679
The second was the only one that got a hide, unfortunately.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)was he held under the water a little too long? It might explain the sheer craziness of much of what he says.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)it's just hard to know what exactly it is.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and has also been called "autistic savant". But the preferred term is savant syndrome.
"Savant syndrome is a rare, but extraordinary, condition in which persons with serious mental disabilities, including autistic disorder, have some island of genius which stands in marked, incongruous contrast to overall handicap. As many as one in 10 persons with autistic disorder have such remarkable abilities in varying degrees, although savant syndrome occurs in other developmental disabilities or in other types of central nervous system injury or disease as well. Whatever the particular savant skill, it is always linked to massive memory. This paper presents a brief review of the phenomenology of savant skills, the history of the concept and implications for education and future research."
Read more at the link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677584/
Carson has obvious skills, but his worldview is seriously flawed.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)If I had to guess, I would say he worldview was created by both nature and nurture.
From Malice:
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I missed the memo.
840high
(17,196 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Just offering a possibility here. The man is obviously intelligent and capable in his field, but his worldview, judging by his statements, is skewed.
840high
(17,196 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)He's s piece of shit, homophobic, hypocritical, REPUBLICAN, asshole. Who fucking cares about his fucking religious "faith" facts?
The ONLY fact that matters is that he's a fucking REPUBLICAN.....
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Don't want to know more about Ben Carson? Don't open threads about him.
While I agree with your assessment about him, I am also interested in learning more about him and why he is who he is.
If just being a fucking REPUBLICAN is good enough for you, your reading list is going to get much shorter.
Kudos!
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...try being less of a fan of homophobes, or those that equate homosexuality with NAMBLA or bestiality and you'll have fewer people get mad at you...
I have zero interest in learning about bigots, and I could care less 'why he is who he is'...he's a bigot, that's all there is to disqualify him from me "loving him" as you apparently do...
cbayer
(146,218 posts)homophobic individuals on the planet.
As I said, if you have zero interest in learning more about bigots, don't open threads about them.
FWIW, I loved the character in the movie, which should have been clear to any halfway intelligent person who read this thread. His politics played no role at all in the film and I see that this film could be a huge asset to him in his presidential campaign. That is what I was commenting on.
Personally, as I have made clear, I think he's a despicable homophobic republican who I hope has absolutely no chance of getting anywhere near the white house, even as a guest.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)How about not starting threads about bigots in the first place?
Too much to ask for you and your married "homophobic bigot"?
"should have been clear to any halfway intelligent person" careful, that was very close to a personal attack...
cbayer
(146,218 posts)because I believe the more you know, the better armed you are.
Sunshine is a good disinfectant and I am happy to shine light on everything I think needs it, including posts by some members who distort in order to defame.
I'm not a homophobe. My husband is not a homophobe. You saying it will never make it true.
Sure.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)come from statements he's made comparing marriage equality to marrying his "bicycle" or "hamster" or "dead grandmother." Many DUers have been concerned about repetition of "slippery slope" memes that have been used by the right wing to generate fear and hatred for years. We don't feel such hateful speech should be on DU.
Starboard Tack has responded to such criticisms/suggestions with hostility and attacks, insisting that he's actually way more super-tolerant than anyone else, and believes ANY marriage should be allowed. No word on whether he thinks a grown man should be able to marry a 9-year-old girl though.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)perhaps that sarcasm tag is unwarranted.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)because they are republicans. Those people are American citizens as much as I am. I don't mind differences in opinions.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)In this case, there are many things that Carson has done and said that warrant a very, very negative assessment. He also has a very fascinating personal history and some of what he has done in the past warrants positive regard.
But, when it comes down to it, I will do whatever I can to prevent him from getting to the WH.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Not sure on what plane of reality that's a "very, very negative assessment"
You really can't bear not having things both ways, can you? One minute, you want to love a virulently homophobic bigot, by your own words, and the next minute you want to look like you disapprove strongly of him. There's a word for that...
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Last edited Tue May 5, 2015, 10:52 PM - Edit history (1)
inconsequential because he's such a great surgeon. Fruit is not falling far from the tree here.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I sure would if he was my doctor! Who the hell wants a neurosurgeon that depends on ancient superstitions?
Fortunately for everyone, he's no longer practicing!
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Not only that, you care so much that you would turn down the services of one of the world's best pediatric neurosurgeons simply because he held religious beliefs.
That's totally irrational.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I don't know that such praise of his abilities is justified.
I'm SURE there are other equally or better qualified pediatric neurosurgeons who don't believe one of the stupidest. most ridiculous and totally irrational religious sects on the planet.
I do not want any doctor who believes complete bunk. I want a rational doctor who does not depend on supernatural anything one iota. Certainly not one who thinks all wisdom comes from a made up sky spook or who needs to pray before operating. Nothing irrational about it, since there is nothing magical or supernatural about medicine, by brain or body.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I wouldn't be so sure that there is anyone better qualified and I wouldn't assume anything about their religious beliefs.
So you will only see a doctor with no religious beliefs? Do you ask them about this before seeing them? Would you truly reject anyone simply because they had beliefs, even if they were the best medical practitioner available to you?
That's is totally irrational and, frankly, much more irrational than your run of the mill religious beliefs. It is fundamentalism at it's worst.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I'm SURE there is (was).
There are many doctors and nurses in my family. I know there is rarely....if not ever... "the best" in any field. ONE of the best maybe... but I'll chose the other one that isn't a witch doctor.
But why you want to argue a moot pint is beyond me.... since your RW lover boy has retired to become another loony Repug. Actually it's not beyond me... you just want to call me names and pretend you are better than I. Go ahead Knock yourself out! It's what you do. No one takes it seriously.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)If you need a pediatric neurosurgeon who has no religious beliefs, best of luck to you.
So, I ask again. Do you question your doctors about their religious beliefs before engaging them? Do you rule out every physician who is religious as a "witch doctor"?
How about other professionals you may need to engage? Your plumber? Vendors that supply what you need to your business?
Your position is so extreme, Albert, but I think it's more bluster than fact.
In NOLA during the height of the AIDS crisis, the absolute best oncologist in town was pretty much the only physician that would see the flood of patients coming in. I'd say he was far and away the best, but I'm ok if you want to call him ONE of the best.
He was a gay man, so not only was he taking on the unspeakable pain of the medical side of this tragedy, he was also dealing with the overwhelming loss of those who were closest to him, including his own partner.
He was religious and his religious beliefs sustained him during these years. He would tell you that without them, he would not have survived. Even with them, I'm not sure how he did it. He was and remains a close personal hero of mine and a dear friend.
So, what I hear you saying is that if you had been in NOLA at the time and you had needed his services, you would have rejected him and looked for another oncologist who had no religious beliefs.
Irrational doesn't even come close to describing that position.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If so, that means he probably has an ok grasp of biology.
If not, run, do not walk, to the door, and leave.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He may have good technical skills at one particular thing, but it's built on a foundation of NOTHING AT ALL.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)How can you trust them to identify what is a delusion and what isn't?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)In March 2013, Carson announced he would retire as a surgeon, stating "I'd much rather quit when I'm at the top of my game".[16] His retirement became official on July 1, 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson
This is an unmitigated disaster. What will the planet do without the "gifted hands" of this person you have remote diagnosed as having something seriously wrong with him?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wouldn't want that creationist whackjob anywhere near my loved ones.
What's irrational, cbayer, is professing your love for a hateful homophobic Republican asshole because he seemed heroic in a movie.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Whatever. This is supposed to be Democratic Underground, not Republican Central. It's also supposed to be welcoming to all Democrats. This is bullshit.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)What I said was that it is hard not to love the character that is portrayed in the movie about him.
The movie never touches his political beliefs and really idealizes him.
It's Democratic Underground, where people can have different POV"S and it is expected that others will see them in context.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)You said nothing about the character. You said "it's really hard not to love him"
You could have chosen any number of people to praise, but you chose this one. How do you think your many LGBT friends would feel knowing that Carson is getting this kind of support from "the left"?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Sorry. This bullying by the religious on DU has to stop. If you want to venerate bigoted activists, do so as a matter of private devotion. This is as offensive as promoting Geller or David Duke. You and your spouse do not get that because you are straight white Christian and very well off, privileged in every possible way. Others sure can see it. And it's nasty.
I would never in a million years promote anyone who said about Christians what Carson says about LGBT people. I was raised to treat others as I would like to be treated. It's a revolutionary concept. You should try it.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)kdmorris
(5,649 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)A couple that is white, straight and privileged in every way. Not christian? Neither are we.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)to be able to sail around the world and work for citizenship in countries more tax friendly than the US.
Oh, and another difference between you and her, she recognizes her privilege every time I've ever seen an opportunity for it. You try to pass yourself off as basically homeless.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I will never forget that. I don't know ANYBODY that considers someone living on a boat off the coast of Mexico and taking mega-holidays in Italy to be "basically homeless."
What a fucking insult - it could only ever come from someone blithely unaware of their privilege.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)but also claiming to be living near the poverty line.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Guess you get to play by different rules.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Daddy issues, perhaps? You should see a psychiatrist and try to work through it. You could probably find a nice Republican one who's a really good person, heroic maybe, underneath the greed and bigotry.
I know you're a tax exile, but don't they have mental health professionals (I mean real ones, not the ones you find in the Religion Group) in Mexico, too?
Note to Jury - yes, this is a personal attack. These people are despicable. They're the privileged, ignorant, entitled percentage that make DU suck. Carry on.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)is just "go to any drugstore and buy some rubbers."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=123388
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And the RCC's influence doesn't adversely affect non-catholics:
They don't affect me. I am not a Catholic. How do they affect you? Right, they don't. You and your little group just troll them to find fodder for your anti-theist propaganda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=123326
Must be nice to be so privileged you don't even realize that women everywhere suffer because of the RCC's war on women.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Guffaw!
What-ever!
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Are you calling me and my husband liars? If so, have the stones to come out and say it instead of using terms better suited for a 14 year old.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)I despise the politics and positions ov Ben Carson and would fight with everything I had to defeat him.
It is the character in a movie that I was responding to. People, including you, see what you want to see, but at no time have I said that I supported or was promoting Carson in any way.
The movie is disturbing because it elicits a very positive response and it may be the only thing that many people ever know about it.
Your perception of me and my husband is wrong on many levels and your making this personal is what is nasty. I have never treated you with anything but respect, but received virtually nothing even coming close to that from you. So much for treating others as you would like to be treated, huh.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)you were just talking about a fake fluff piece movie character becoming president, rather than Ben Carson himself, I take it?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I take his comments comparing same sex marriage to incest and bestiality personally.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=196845
Maybe you should clean your own house before accusing others of treating people badly.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)I worked with an SDA many years ago, and he was a good guy, although he did espouse a few uh, unusual beliefs. Immigrant from Sierra Leone. Died in his 30s from cancer. Left behind a wife and a couple of kids.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I don't think I've ever seen an SDA proselytize. The only unusual thing I noticed was the church on saturday instead of sunday thing.
Sad story about your co-worker. I hope his wife and kids did ok.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)but I do remember him as really selfless. For example, he'd get a seat on the subway with the intention of giving it up to someone, not keeping it.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)people around. They are often so deeply grateful and intent on giving back every chance they get.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)R.I.P. (he's also named) Ben.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)So is lying not a problem for Seventh Day Adventists?
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Ben Carson Admits Fabricating West Point Scholarship
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141253006
Apparently supporting and praising a lying psychopath like Carson is no problem for some DUers, who state explicitly that "it's hard not to love him".
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)in the other thread.
This is it.
(I am not a psychologist, and I do not play one on TV, but Ben Carson has an issue and symptoms are not incompatible with this statistical probability, talent as a surgeon included)
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)In his younger days.
Someone said surgeons were often originally aggressive persons, who didn't mind doing violence to the human body.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)you don't have to account for mistakes, they just disappear. Works for Carson and for our now mostly disappeared Defenders of the Faith.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)to use other ways of posting, too.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)and think it is a genuine, balanced portrait of reality, and decide it's "hard not to love him". Not "love the portrayal", "love the character", but "love him".
This is also probably a consequence of thinking that it's OK that religiously-raised children find it harder to distinguish between fiction and reality.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)We've been told that SOME people's religious upbringing taught them to question everything
SOME people boast about the "spirited" discussions they always had over the dinner table...even though there is no sign they ever learned to be discriminating thinkers.