Rubio warns: Christianity could be labeled 'hate speech'

[cbayer]

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By NICK GASS 5/27/15 7:23 AM EDT

Marco Rubio warned of a clear and present danger to Christians in an interview published Tuesday, speaking of his Roman Catholic faith and how it guides his policy positions.

“If you think about it, we are at the water’s edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech,” Rubio said in the interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network. “Because today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater.”

The next step, Rubio argued, is going after Christianity writ large.

“After they are done going after individuals, the next step is to argue that the teachings of mainstream Christianity, the catechism of the Catholic Church, is hate speech and there’s a real and present danger,” he said.

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[Fumesucker]

1. "You're going to burn in Hell for Eternity"

Sounds pretty hateful to me.

[cbayer]

2. And some of the homophobic rhetoric from some christian groups

is pretty hateful as well.

[Yorktown]

3. You do not understand religion

"You're going to burn in Hell for Eternity" is for your own good.

[Hoppy]

4. If Christianity was recognized as hate speech,

the world would be a better place.

[Yorktown]

5. No. Christianity is just fuzzy. Islam is more hate speech.

After all, Christianity has no serious text to rely on.

Paul? Paul who?

Mark? Mark who?

As of writing, Islam is a far more dangerous hate speech.

Christianity is just a mixed bag of unattributable statements.

[Joe Chi Minh]

7. You are obviously a scholar of some distinction.

[Yorktown]

9. Wow. Dead on sarcasm.

Sure.

What would I know about religions?

[Joe Chi Minh]

41. Pass....

[LostOne4Ever]

44. According to both I should be put to death and then condemned to hell

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]From my point of view, they seem pretty much the same.[/font]

[Yorktown]

47. The Christianity virus has lost some potency

The Islam virus still is in the age of certitudes, which makes it more dangerous.

[cbayer]

6. Yeah, because everyone agrees that loving one another, social justice

and taking care of the most marginalized among us are the cornerstones of hate.

That Jesus Christ, he epitomized a hate monger.

[Joe Chi Minh]

8. By loving one another, he didn't mean copulating.

[cbayer]

10. I have no idea what you are saying here

or what it has to do with christianity being hate speech.

[Yorktown]

11. How do you 'know' what Yeshua had to say?

[Hoppy]

12. Does Christianity differentiate between loving and buggery?

[Yorktown]

13. Not according to Lot

Lot offered as a proof of his love for the laws of hospitality his virgin daughters to be raped in lieu of the male angels that the populace wanted to screw.

RAmen.

[cbayer]

37. Buggery? As in sodomy?

There are christians who believe that there should be equality for all loving relationships whether they are between opposite sex or same sex couples. There are christians who are opposed to that equality.

The important thing is to note that there are different kinds of christians and to recognize that there are some who fully support your position and some who don't.

I'm pretty certain that every christian who participates on this site has no issue with "buggery".

So, I'm still not clear on your point.

[trotsky]

14. That is just your opinion, cbayer.

Yours and yours alone. Many other Christians disagree with you. You have no right to say they're wrong unless you have evidence.

Damn, it must sting to have all your admonitions come back to haunt you, huh? Oh wait, no, that's right - you get to do things that you chide others for. Yay double standards!

[Yorktown]

15. You are being unfair, comrade Trotsky

Some here know exactly what the essence of each religion is.

And, strangely enough, it cannot be derived from what the texts say.

But the way they read the texts enable them to know what is true.

[trotsky]

17. Natch.

THEY know. And wouldn't ya know, the parts that are TRUE just happen to be the parts they like!

Amazing how that works. Kind of like how everyone's god has the exact same political opinions that they do. Cosmic coincidences abound.

[Yorktown]

20. Cosmic coincidences are wonderful things.

[nil desperandum]

24. This Bible

[phil89]

30. Telling people they had to accept him or

be denied heaven is pretty hateful. Good thing it was a a myth.

[cbayer]

36. Yeah, that's one of those not so nice things, but do you agree

with the member I was responding to that christianity itself should be considered hate speech?

[Hoppy]

50. The perfect response to Christianity was that of Seneca Chief, Red Jacket.

Seems bunches of preachers came to his tribe to explain how Christianity was the best thing since Pepperidge Farm cinnamon raisin toast. Finally, he had enough.

(Paraphrasing) I will watch how the followers of your god treat the Red Man. If your white followers treat the Red Man with honor and honestly, I will recognize your god as a good god and I will follow that god.

In the meantime, I will watch.

[cbayer]

57. Not a bad response at all and could be said by anyone who feels they are being

persecuted by any ideological group.

[edhopper]

16. Rubio;

"if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater.”

Cause you are a homophobe and a hater.

"Just because you support slavery, doesn't make you a racist."

[trotsky]

18. Exactly!

What's interesting though is that the pope doesn't support marriage equality, and has said some pretty vicious things about it, yet labeling him a homophobe here in this group will get you in trouble with the civility brigade. So perhaps Rubio has a few sympathizers around here after all.

[edhopper]

19. The Pope is a homophobe

and a misogynist. He also is delusion in his beliefs about demons and the devil.

There, I said it.

[Yorktown]

21. You do not understand religion.

You got to look at the bright side.

[edhopper]

22. Blessed are the cheese makers

the Greeks will inherit the earth.

[Yorktown]

48. Don't be silly

Feta doesn't work well on pasta.

[pokerfan]

49. That was not meant to be taken literally

It refers to any manufacturer of dairy products.

[nil desperandum]

23. Well now,

it's always good to remember;

[trotsky]

25. Well you are very lucky that blasphemy is a reply to me!

It will not be seen by the primary scolds. You dodged a bullet.

[edhopper]

26. Like I care

who sees it.

[cbayer]

38. Yeah, I thought that line pretty much said it all.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

27. There's what, maybe 2 places in the Bible from which all of the homophobia fostered by Christians

springs? The 'abomination' of 'men lying with men', and maybe the Sodom and Gomorrah story? Both of which are in the Old Testament, which was pretty hateful overall, with God telling folks to crush babies against stones and kill everyone in various places, and sending bears to tear kids up for making fun of a bald guy?

Sorry Rubio, much of the Old Testament has been hate speech for over 2000 years.

[trotsky]

31. Actually there's a few references in the NT.

Paul's usual tripe, but also sometimes referenced is how Jesus referred to marriage in Matthew 19:3 -

He answered, ‘Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning “made them male and female," and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.’

I think it's important we acknowledge the bad stuff throughout the bible rather than just say someone isn't reading it correctly.

[cbayer]

40. Exactly, and even those are debatable.

And there is so much more about loving people for who they are.

Those that are using these pieces of text to support their bigoted agenda should be called on it loudly and often.

[LostOne4Ever]

45. There was also this guy named Paul (aka Saul of Tarsus)...(nt)

[nil desperandum]

28. Apparently

Too many supposed christian candidates think it's okay for them to voice whatever despicable opinion they have on equal protection under the laws for gay Americans, but are deeply offended when they are called out by others who have just as much a right to free speech as the homophobic senator and his ilk.

Mr. Rubio you should know it's not hate speech to tell a bigot his words are offensive.

Mr. Rubio sounds a lot like Mr. Russell from 1964: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality"

[underpants]

29. If you think about it .. "at the water's edge" reminds me of an Indigo Girls song

Watershed

[cbayer]

39. This, my friend, is one of my most favorite Indigo Girls songs ever.

[underpants]

46. Me too

[struggle4progress]

32. Florida man caught stuffing assault rifles down his pants

Posted: May 28, 2015 11:04 AM EDT
Updated: May 28, 2015 11:04 AM EDT
By Associated Press

... Alvarez had been seen taking an AK-47 from a display and sticking it down his pants. Hurley said Alvarez removed the weapon, then took another assault rifle off another display, put it down his pants and then limped out the door ... Alvarez was held on $25,000 bond for grand theft and the violation of a domestic violence injunction ...

http://www.wfla.com/story/29179400/police-florida-man-caught-stuffing-assault-rifles-down-his-pants

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

59. And here I thought he was just glad to see me...

Bada boom.

[struggle4progress]

33. Chrome Extension Replaces ‘Jeb Bush’ & ‘Marco Rubio’ with ‘Florida Man’

BY COLIN CHOCOLA, DAVE JORGENSON AND CHRIS LEWIS (24 HOURS AGO)
... because the political world needed it, IJReview has created a Google Chrome Extension that replaces the names ‘Jeb Bush’ and ‘Marco Rubio’ with ‘Florida Man’ ...
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/330198-chrome-extension-replaces-jeb-bush-marco-rubio-with-florida-man-makes-political-news-better/

[gcomeau]

34. But... but...

...everyone knows if you add "because God says so" at the end that makes it not hate speech. Because religion.

[Angry Dragon]

35. He is just a stupid panderer

[MellowDem]

42. I think it's hateful speech....

Good thing we have no laws against hateful speech, so Rubio has nothing to worry about, except for people leaving the faith in droves.

[cbayer]

43. I agree. It's hateful speech but not hate speech.

And I do hope people leave his particular kind of "faith" in droves.

[AtheistCrusader]

53. Well, well.

[Jester Messiah]

51. Well, much of it is.

Islam and Judaism, too. And many other religions. Hatred and fear of the Other is a key feature of these relics of humanity's tribal days. They should be put in a museum and left for historical study.

[cbayer]

58. Hatred and fear of the other is not unique to religious groups, of course.

And it continues to be a factor in both religious and non-religious groups today.

Tribalism is a basic human instinct to which none of us are immune.

[shenmue]

52. Bearing false witness

[okasha]

54. Strange.

Hillary Clinton is a mainstream Christian, and she supports equal marriage.

Bernie Sanders is Jewish, and he supports equal marriage.

I don't see either of them setting the Fibbies on the evangelicals and pentecostals who persist in a position that is rapidly becoming obsolete.

[Yorktown]

55. It means Sanders and Clinton are not faithful believers.

They disregard their own 'holy' scriptures.

Jewish:

Lev. 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Christian

Corinthians 6: 9-10
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

[redstateblues]

56. Who thinks up this crap?

Is there someone on the staff that dreams up these lies. It's very imaginative in a hateful deceitful way.