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Related: About this forumAmerican Muslims Brace For Wave Of Armed Anti-Islam Protests
Armed anti-Islam protesters outside the Islamic Community Center in Phoenix, Arizona in May.
by Jack Jenkins
Oct 6, 2015 3:04pm
American Muslims are bracing for a wave of anti-Islam rallies outside mosques this weekend, upping security measures at houses of worship as patriots gather across the country to decry their religion.
In August, a Facebook page appeared calling for a Global Rally for Humanity outside mosques all over the world on October 9 and 10. The event description claims humanity is attacked daily by radical Islam, and many comments express anger at Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who made controversial comments about the American flag in June. Although the website boasts just over a thousand likes, groups in Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, and other states are already mobilizing to protest this Friday and Saturday, according to Imagine 2050.
As this invasion of Muslim colonization continues unchecked on American soil, we can only expect the same suffering now endured by EUROPE, reads the description of a proposed protest in Dearborn, Michigan.
A similar page for a protest in Charleston, South Carolina calls Islam an evil cult, and a Kentucky-based group asks fellow Patriots, Veterans, Bikers, Rednecks and Good Ol Boys to join them outside a local Muslim community center, along with supporters in other open carry states. An event page for a demonstration in Hernando County, Florida cites opposition to asylum for immigrants fleeing war-torn Syria, asking participants to say NO to the importation of ISIS refugees!!
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/06/3709728/american-muslims-brace-for-protests/
https://www.facebook.com/Global-Rally-For-Humanity-886612144755173/timeline/
http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2015/09/29/anti-muslim-protests-some-armed-planned-for-at-least-20-sites-across-the-country/
https://www.facebook.com/events/734909306636833/
https://www.facebook.com/events/106468456371676/
https://www.facebook.com/events/129816967370527/
http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/13175-cair-asks-mosques-nationwide-to-take-added-safety-measures-prior-to-anti-islam-rallies-october-10.html
muntrv
(14,505 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)speech.....is this the free speech and freedom of assembly that Americans so cherish?
What happened to laws against public insurrection and incitement....are those also non-existent now that the mass media has riled up enough folks to blindly fear everyone in a religion of a billion people?
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)I noticed that St. Louis isn't mentioned at all, and from what I can gather, we have at least as many Muslims here as in Dearborn.
It could be we are very tolerant, or it could be that our Muslims are largely white(Bosnians), rather than Arab or Black.
Actually, even Wikipedia seems to show either an oversight, an inaccuracy or a bias in this example.
Here's an article on Wikipedia about Islam in the United States:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]By city
New York City had the largest number of Muslims with 69,985. In 2000, Dearborn, Michigan ranked second with 29,181, and Los Angeles ranked third with 25,673; although Paterson, New Jersey, in the New York City Metropolitan Area, was estimated to have become home to 25,000 to 30,000 Muslims as of 2011. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania was estimated to have 30,000 to 50,000 Muslims as of 2012.[113] Paterson, New Jersey has been nicknamed Little Ramallah and contains a neighborhood with the same name, with an Arab American population estimated as high as 20,000 in 2015.[114]
And here's the article on the history of Bosnians in St. Louis:
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #999999 inset;"]Demographics
As of 2013 there were 70,000 Bosnians in St. Louis. This is the largest population of Bosnians in the United States and the largest Bosnian population outside of Europe.[3] Most are Bosniak and Muslims.
The highest concentrations of Bosnians is in the neighborhood of Bevo Mill, Affton, Mehlville and Oakville of south St. Louis County[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Bosnians_in_St._Louis
Granted, I'm comparing a religion with a nationality, however, demographically, that nationality is majority Muslim. Even if less than half the Bosnian refugees are Muslim, it still would put St. Louis or at least its Metro Area in the top 3 cities that host Muslims in the country.
But, here's where things differ, I'll give an example with myself, I was at Walgreens a while ago, to pick up a prescription, I also picked up some Dora3 croissant and some Torticas. So I went up to the Pharmacy counter to checkout, and the woman behind the counter said she loves the Croissants as well, and I went on a little mini-rant saying how awesome it was that Bosnians settled here, to allow us to be able to get international chocolates at Walgreens and local grocers without paying outrageous prices and markups at "international vendors" etc.
That's when she revealed to me that she was Bosnian, having immigrated here in the late 1990s as a teen. She had virtually no accent that I could tell, she didn't where a hijab or any hair covering, and she was, of course, white. Needless to say, I was a little embarrassed, though she said we are cool.
I think that makes the Muslims here a harder target, yes they could protest outside the Mosques here, of which we have plenty, and more being built year after year, but its hard to think of these people as the "other" when they look white Americans. To these racists fucks, these recent immigrants aren't foreign looking enough.
rug
(82,333 posts)in as many cities as possible.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)While a share of these demonstrators might have a racist motivation,
the underlying concern -legitimate in my view- is over Islam itself.
That ideology calls for the death of gays, stoming of adulterers and chopping hands of thieves.
So the attitude of these demonstrators is wrong, but the concern over the ideology remains
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)aren't a problem.
Should we criticize the ideologies and beliefs, hell yes, but I guess I'm just used to the Muslims in my area, are the same as the Catholics and most Christians, being "Cafeteria Muslims".
I just don't see the point of protesting in front of Mosques with no regard as to what the members of said Mosque actually believe. It would be like protesting in front of all Christian churches, including ones like the MCC for being homophobic.
If they were protesting specific Imams or extremist groups, that would be one thing, equivalent to protesting against the Westboro Baptist Church, but it doesn't appear they are doing that. In fact, from what I can tell, this is an attempt to marginalize and intimidate against a minority group for no good reason.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)What is needed is to expose the obviously shaky pillars of Islam (and religions)
The prophet most cited in the Quran, Moses, never existed.
Better still, Muhammad is supposed to have met the imaginary 'Adam'
Add to it that Nuhammad had sex with a -probably not nubile- 9yo, et voila.
(To debunk Christianity, a genealogy of the gospels should suffice)
What's needed is to pool resources and advertise those facts.
Less confrontational, hitting at the heart of the problem of religions.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)not people, regardless of context, whether its shaking the foundation of a faith in Christ, Yahweh or Mohammad or attacking political and/or other social beliefs I find objectionable. Beliefs and ideas should never be held in reverence, or given respect, unless they stand up to scrutiny.
What I do recognize though is that people are much more complicated than their beliefs, outside of some extremists, who traded complexity for what they would call "clarity" usually in their religious or political beliefs. Not to mention that everyone should have a right to their beliefs as long as they don't harm anyone else.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Not to mention that everyone should have a right to their beliefs as long as they don't harm anyone else.
The OT/Torah is inherently harmful: stone those who work on the Sabbath.
Believers might (and do) choose not to apply it, but what if they changed their minds?
The problem is the text itself. The Torah/OT is crap. Ditto for the Quran.
The text of the Quran calls for death for imaginary crimes.
The fact muslim majority countries apply it unevenly is not enough to be reassuring.
That's why those doctrines must be hammered on until they explicitly bend.
(same applies to Hinduism with its abhorrent caste system)
stone space
(6,498 posts)They feel the need to force their filthy Gods of Metal on those who they hate.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I mean, do you have a license for that thing or what? Why do you need it at all?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)
But this atheist is sick of having their filthy religion imposed on others.
Let them worship at the alter of the NRA in private, not in public.
They are imposing their filthy religion on folks who may not worship their Gods of Metal, and who may not pray at the alter of the NRA.
That's a blatant violation of the Religious Freedoms of their chosen victims.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Your worship of your God is no better than any others.
stone space
(6,498 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Your prosetylizing about your religion is just like the rest.
But keep blasting away with that faith gun.
stone space
(6,498 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)You should have that looked at.
stone space
(6,498 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But keep fighting the good fight. You're just off-target, that's all.
stone space
(6,498 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)You should have that looked at.