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Related: About this forumHow is Good Friday to Easter 3 days?
Good Friday is the day of Jesus' crucifixion. "The day before the Sabbath". He was taken down and buried and then rose on the third day. So how is Easter Sunday the third day.
underpants
(182,632 posts)There's a big leap involved
ramblin_dave
(1,546 posts)"On the third day" does not mean after 3 days time.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)But he was buried Friday night, seems like a stretch. Saturday would be the next day and i would call Sunday the second day.
But the 3 is important, I guess they had to put it that way.
ramblin_dave
(1,546 posts)Those that were tending to him did not have time to properly prepare his body before the beginning of the Sabbath.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)There's no logical way to understand dogma.
Fla Dem
(23,591 posts)He hung on the cross for a long time before his death as well.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)I mean, we are talking about an event that didn't happen, so it's all academic. But i like my stories internally consistent.
Fla Dem
(23,591 posts)testament goes "he rose again on the 3rd day" It doesn't say it took him 3 days to be resurrected, only that on the 3rd day he rose. So was crucified on Friday(1st day), Saturday(2nd day) was the Sabbath and on Sunday (the 3rd day) he was resurrected. Also as I'm sure you know, and I'm sure your comment was to add levity, Monday holidays a a fairly recent invention unique to the US. I'm not sure they had Geo Washington's birthday (President's Day) back in biblical times. However, when you look at the word HOLIday, you can certainly see HOLYday.
meant as a joke.
The truth of course, is most of these celebrations were overlayed on older, pagan festivals. Christmas is the Winter fest and Easter the Spring. Even the themes of these holidays fall in line with the older celebrations.
Fla Dem
(23,591 posts)customs and events made their way into Christian theology. I'm not a student of religion, but can only speculate that the integration of ancient customs into Christianity was to make it easier to convert the uninitiated.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)the Jews took many of Babylonian myths, like Noah and Moses, and made them their own. And as the Christians conquered meso-America, many of the festivals of their Gods became Saint days.
As you say, people would not want to give up celebrations that went back centuries.
2naSalit
(86,335 posts)the whole series of easter events may have taken place as there are other belief systems which claim to have persons who died and revived... they just didn't base their beliefs on that one set of events or one person. Though honored, the "risen" individuals are seen as teachers of spiritual and mundane understanding but they aren't celebrated in some superlative sense.
Just sayin' ... could have happened, the problem is reinterpretation for the sake of justification of actions.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)the fact that there are other myths about this just shows the Christian myth is not special and falls in line with other mythologies.
Though i don't claim a man named Yeshua lived, and perhaps was put to death, that is as far as any of the NT story can be taken as true (outside of names of places, officials, etc...)
jonno99
(2,620 posts)by a mere spoken word.
Unless those events were super-natural...
Igel
(35,282 posts)Does not typically mean today is Monday.
"I'm going to see my mother in three days. Today is Sunday." And it's 10 a.m.
That doesn't mean Monday evening. Well, I guess it could. There's part of day 1, Sunday; day 2, Monday; and since the reckoning, at least in the NT is from sundown to sundown (ahem) if I show up after sundown on Monday that's part of day 3.
Gee, Annie really screwed that up.
"Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow
"You're only three days away
"Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow
"You're often three days away."
What we have here is motivated reasoning. We had to have a good reason for (a) not keeping Passover and seeming Jewish, (b) saying Sunday was important for Xians, and (c) justifying popular religious myths to build a platform that the entire Xian party could get on board with. I mean really, it was a pretty obvious clue when the Saturday Sabbath was declared in many places to be a fast day, and not just the day before Easter. "Jews bad, Christians good, don't listen to them." They reasoned from their premise to the necessary facts, then used the necessary facts to establish their premise.
What most Xians in the West keep is really Catholic Easter. It's celebrated based on early Catholic authority and tradition, whether you're Lutheran or Baptist or some other break-away sect. "We deny papal authority" is followed in the next breath by "but we obey and defend it implicitly." We all dance to our own bleat.
In the East Passover was more deeply respected in Xian tradition--what with all those churches claiming apostolic succession and whatnot--and so Orthodox Easter this year falls, IIRC, on May 1 because it has to fall after Passover (which is late this year, what with that intercalary month). They still needed a reason to move things to Sunday, however. So if you're Orthodox, you're not saying "Iisus voskres", "Jesus arose" just yet.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)representing the trinity was important to them too.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)but Orthodox Pascha will be on May 1st. We'll say Χριστός Ανέστη Hristos anesti. then.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)It sure seemed like three days.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)but they set it up like this so they didn't have to add another Monday holiday.
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EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Igel
(35,282 posts)Some let the sabbath involved be a high sabbath, not the weekly sabbath.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)as far as the crucifixion and 3rd day?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)god said-so
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)which may be why some cultures never became great at abstract mathematics. The Roman calender went "4th day before the Calends of November", "3rd day before the Calends of November", "pre-Calends of November", "Calends of November", for instance, for October 29th, 30th, 31st and November 1st:
Kalendae (whence "calendar" , Kalendsfirst day of the month; it is thought to have originally been the day of the new moon. According to some ancient or modern proposed etymologies of the word, it was derived from the phrase kalo Iuno Covella or kalo Iuno Novella, meaning, respectively, "hollow Juno I call you" and "new Juno I call you", an announcement about the Nones or in proclaiming the new moon that marked the Kalends which the pontiffs made every first day of the month on the Capitoline Hill in the Announcement Hall.[18]
Idus or Eidus, Idesthought to have originally been the day of the full moon, was the 15th day of March, May, July, and October (the months with 31 days) and the 13th day of the others.
Nonae, Nonesthought to have originally been the day of the half moon. The Nones was eight days before the Ides, and fell on the fifth or seventh day of the month, depending on the position of the Ides. (Nones implies ninth from the Latin novem, because, counting Ides as first, one day before is the second, and eight days before is the ninth).
The day preceding the Kalends, Nones, or Ides was Pridie, e.g., Prid. Id. Mart. = 14 March. Other days were denoted by ordinal number, counting back from a named reference day. The reference day itself counted as the first, so that two days before was denoted the third day. Dates were written as a.d. NN, an abbreviation for ante diem NN, meaning "on the Nth (Numerus) day before the named reference day (Nomen)",[19] e.g., a.d. III Kal. Nov. = on the third day before the November Kalends = 30 October. The value two was not used to denote a day before the fixed point, because second was the same as pridie. Further examples of date equivalence are: a.d. IV Non. Jan. = 2 January; a.d. VI Non. Mai. = 2 May; a.d. VIII Id. Apr. = 6 April; a.d. VIII Id. Oct. = 8 October; a.d. XVII Kal. Nov. = 16 October.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar#Months
edhopper
(33,487 posts)Iggo
(47,535 posts)Sunday's the third day.
AnotherPerspective
(4 posts)Matthew 12:40 = "For as Jonah was three days and three night in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Friday night plus Saturday night= 2 nights, not 3 nights.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)see you in 3 days, I'd expect them Wednesday.
AnotherPerspective
(4 posts)You brought up a great point.