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Related: About this forumCatholic parishioners urged to help defeat SOL reform; one parishioner walks out of Mass
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/06/catholic_child_sex_crimes_law.htmlOn Sunday, O'Brien walked out of Mass in disgust. She did so after her priest at St. Anthony of Padua in Ambler, just outside Philadelphia, read a letter from the head of the archdiocese encouraging parishioners to help defeat a proposed legislation that would reform the state's child sex crimes.
St. Anthony's wasn't the only parish to receive the letter. All 219 parishes across Philadelphia were read the letter from Archbishop Charles Chaput urging them to contact their lawmakers by mail or telephone and encourage them to vote against House Bill 1947, which would reform the statute of limitations.
"It was bull (expletive)," O'Brien said on Monday. "I don't have to listen to this bull (expletive) anymore. I've been a practicing Catholic all my life. I'm not going to be anything else. I thought it was an insult. I know what's been going on."
Nancy gets it. Maybe some defender of the RCC will come along to explain how she's an anti-Catholic bigot too.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)of child rape enablers, defenders and apologists out there. One of them is probably alert trolling this thread.
Of course, as far as Nancy O'Brien, you have to wonder why it took her 72 years to feel any moral outrage.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Better late than never with Nancy I suppose. If only all Catholics could be as principled and courageous.
rug
(82,333 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)struggle4progress
(118,235 posts)30 years ago, it would probably be very difficult for them to even begin to figure out where they were or what they were doing on that particular day ...
Eliminating statute of limitations on child sex crimes problematic, defense lawyers say
DAN PETRELLA
Apr 28, 2016
Cartoonist
(7,309 posts)What a pathetic apology
struggle4progress
(118,235 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)...
You have to have some kind of rational balance between societys interest in prosecuting malefactors and peoples interest in, one, not being convicted of crimes they didnt commit, but in being able to move on, he said.
No. Not being convicted of crimes they didnt commit is the only interest to be balanced against prosecuting malefactors. There is no excuse for saying "move on".
Dorian Gray
(13,479 posts)They can argue that in court.
But the church reading this letter during mass is essentially lobbying for something that would financially (bc it's all about payouts to victims of abuse) benefit them. And it's unconscionable.
I am a practicing Catholic. If this was read during mass, I would also walk out.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Or will someone be along shortly to Cathosplain that the church is only motivated to fight SOL reform by the purest of selfless intentions?
rug
(82,333 posts)- snip -
"O'Brien, a member of Voice of the Faithful, a reform advocacy group, anticipates the church is not going to let up trying to defeat the bill. She said she would continue going to Mass - noting that attendance at her parish is on the decline.
"'They say we are so afraid we won't be able to help the poor," she said. "Give me a break. They could care less about the poor. I've seen so many people get hurt by their refusal to do anything.'"
It must be tough living in a binary world.
This may help: http://www.votf.org/
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I would guess the Cathosplainin' has already happened. Or a lame attempt to somehow suggest that those who criticize the church's (in)action on child rape, and its continued efforts to deny justice to the victims, are the real bad people. Anti-Catholic bigots, most likely. How dare they point out the hypocrisy and immorality of the church?
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The defenders and apologists for child rape and covering up child rape have reared their ugly heads again. Always the same ones, too..I'm sure you can guess.
Wondering how many alerts they've already tried in this thread. They seem to think that if they can just get all the posts pointing it out hidden, that will somehow mean that none of the catholic church's child-raping ever happened. Whatever makes them feel holy, I guess.
rug
(82,333 posts)Not to mention paranoid.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Ah, the poor church and its child rapists and their enablers/protectors. How dare people continue to shine light on their crimes. I have no problem being despised by the horrible individuals who defend that bullshit. It confirms I'm on the right side.
rug
(82,333 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Stupid nonetheless.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)so their church is protected??
Or are you just suggesting that I am stupid??
rug
(82,333 posts)Or maybe you were not ragging on a username.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)I am not the one with a name that suggests something that is thrown on the floor and walked on
rug
(82,333 posts)But you are the one with the name of an anthropomorphized mythical creature.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Perhaps Dragons are gods.................maybe
rug
(82,333 posts)Anything finite can presumably be proven to be true or false eventually.
Figure out the rest on your own.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)You may believe but you do not know
rug
(82,333 posts)And that you don't know what my beliefs are but react according to what you think they are.
There's a very misused word for that which is more than apt to be used here.
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trotsky
(49,533 posts)They're generally a lost cause.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that religion does to people. We see the hate and the bigotry that would not exist but for religion every day. There would be no fight over LGBT rights if not for the imagined dictates of people's god concepts. None.
And yet it is still tolerated, sadly, on DU.
rug
(82,333 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Eugene
(61,819 posts)Source: Associated Press
By KRISTEN DE GROOT, ASSOCIATED PRESS PHILADELPHIA Jun 9, 2016, 4:13 PM ET
Roman Catholic legislators say they have been publicly shamed during Mass, called out in church bulletins and disinvited to parish events as the Philadelphia Archdiocese campaigns against a bill that would give victims of child sexual abuse more time to sue the church.
Rep. Nick Miccarelli, a Delaware County Republican, said he was shocked to learn that the weekly bulletin at his church mentioned that he had voted for the bill.
"I've been to Iraq and back and there's very little that makes my jaw drop, but seeing that in parish bulletin, my jaw hit the floor," said Miccarelli, who served two tours in Iraq in the Army National Guard. "I was in disbelief."
Under the headline "JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE" the announcement reads, "State Representative Miccarelli voted in favor of House Bill 1947, which states that private institutions can be sued as far as 40 years ago for millions of dollars, while public institutions may not be sued for any crimes."
Last weekend, a letter by Archbishop Charles Chaput was given to all 219 archdiocese parishes urging parishioners to ask their senators to vote against it.
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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/catholic-legislators-feel-churchs-ire-abuse-law-votes-39735145
That's vicious.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)The church thinks that Charles Chaput is conservative, in the sense that he defends traditional church ideas. But actually, he's one if the radical New Conservatives. Who are actually inventing radical new right-wing, bad ideas, all the time. While passing them off as traditional, conservative.
Chaput unfortunately, moreover, is now the Vatican synod leader who gatekeepers or controls Vatican discussions in some major social issues. Especially sexual issues, like abortion.
Like most members of the Religious Right, where he excels is in conflating religion, and politics, ideology. Always making sure that Catholicism serves the Republican Party.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)...
So what we have here is a school an elementary school assuring every parent of every child there that school officials actively support shorter statutes of limitations for sexual crimes against children. We want to make it harder for the state to prosecute those who prey on children sexually, school officials are telling the parents of the children in their care. And wed like you to help us do it.
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I understand why these school officials, along with the entire Catholic Diocese of Philadelphia, are doing this. To be clear, theyre not fighting to make it harder to prosecute criminals who prey on children because they like criminals who prey on children. Theyre not fighting to create a context in which more children will be sexually assaulted and abused because they want that to happen. But theyre still working to make that happen. Theyre still taking sides with sexual predators and taking sides against the protection of Pennsylvanias children.
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No other institution has worked harder to right the wrongs of the past or protect the children in its care today, the diocese says. That is an astonishingly bold-faced, brazen lie. That lie is stated in the context of a terse, three-paragraph postcard that exists for the sole purpose of disproving every word in that sentence. This postcard is designed explicitly and deliberately and exclusively to make it more difficult for anyone to right the wrongs of the past. This postcard represents an active, aggressive form of opposition to efforts to protect the children in its care today and tomorrow.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2016/06/09/maybe-schools-shouldnt-be-lobbying-to-defend-sexual-predators/
trotsky
(49,533 posts)This sentence really sums it up: