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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:29 AM Dec 2016

How an atheist celebrates Christmas

ARTHUR COCKFIELD
Arthur Cockfield is a professor at Queen’s University Faculty of Law
Published Friday, Dec. 23, 2016 5:00AM EST
Special to The Globe and Mail

As an atheist, I have to admit that I have not always had a stellar relationship with Jesus. Still, as much of the world sets to celebrate his alleged birth on Dec. 25, I will also reflect on this icon and the lasting and positive impression he’s had on my heritage and value system.

I understand this is heresy. In the faith of New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the late Christopher Hitchens, the very thought of giving Jesus his due is a sacrilege deserving ridicule and rejection. It would be seen as a thought crime worthy of excommunication from the community of atheists (assuming there even is such a community).

But if nothing else, atheism is a belief predicated on rational thought. Rationally, as a “secular Christian,” I see much to celebrate about the birth of the Lord of Lords. Christ’s life stands as a template for acceptance, tolerance and generosity.

In particular, the many acts attributed to Christ during his lifetime continue to serve as a powerful guide to tolerance and decency. How he touched and healed lepers – individuals who were widely viewed at the time as being cursed by God. How he showed compassion for other outcasts and sinners such as prostitutes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/an-atheistcelebrateschristmas/article33413032/

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How an atheist celebrates Christmas (Original Post) rug Dec 2016 OP
He doesn't have edhopper Dec 2016 #1
Not necessarily. rug Dec 2016 #3
Rousseu might have been a deist edhopper Dec 2016 #5
He and Voltaire were both deists. rug Dec 2016 #8
I wouldn't edhopper Dec 2016 #13
Excellent - thank you (and Merry Christmas to you). nt jonno99 Dec 2016 #10
Same to you and yours, jon. rug Dec 2016 #11
Every man is his own church. marybourg Dec 2016 #2
Two things of note: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4
atheism is nonbelief edhopper Dec 2016 #6
We disagree. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #7
It is nonbelief based on reasons. rug Dec 2016 #9
Nonbelievers grounded on science in part; its system... Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #14
Happy Solstice to you, BG. rug Dec 2016 #15
And the "light growing stronger" is one reason the solstice celebrations were guillaumeb Dec 2016 #19
People who don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or WMD's in Iraq... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #12
You DID use the word belief. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #20
Notable christians disagree with you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #16
I've been wishy-washy about it in the past. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #17
Here's how I usually celebrate Christmas... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #18

edhopper

(33,487 posts)
1. He doesn't have
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:42 AM
Dec 2016

a firm understanding of the enlightenment movement. Hardly one that embraced Christianity and religion.
Perhaps he should read Rousseau and Voltaire.

Not that the things he wants to embrace are bad.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. Not necessarily.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:29 PM
Dec 2016

This is how Rousseau opens Book I of Emile:

God makes all things good; man meddles with them and they become evil. He forces one soil to yield the products of another, one tree to bear another's fruit. He confuses and confounds time, place, and natural conditions. He mutilates his dog, his horse, and his slave. He destroys and defaces all things; he loves all that is deformed and monstrous; he will have nothing as nature made it, not even man himself, who must learn his paces like a saddle-horse, and be shaped to his master's taste like the trees in his garden.

http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/5427/pg5427-images.html

edhopper

(33,487 posts)
5. Rousseu might have been a deist
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:43 PM
Dec 2016

but he was no Christian in thecsense the writer says.

I still think saying the Enlightenment was product of their Christianity is a misreading of its authors.

To say they were trying to fullfill Jesus' teachings is a strectch.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
8. He and Voltaire were both deists.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:00 PM
Dec 2016

And their views did evolve from the dominant culture.

But, while they had the sharpest criticisms of religion and Christianity, at a time when those views carried immense personal risk, unlike Dawkins and Hitchens, they never were professional, reflexive antitheists.

I think that allowed them to appreciate that which they condemned.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Two things of note:
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:42 PM
Dec 2016

First,


I understand this is heresy. In the faith of New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the late Christopher Hitchens, the very thought of giving Jesus his due is a sacrilege deserving ridicule and rejection.


Heresy and faith in a description of atheists? Absolutely. No matter how much some followers deny it, atheism is a belief system.

Second, Christ as a model for a good life is certainly a positive thing. Not that Christ is the only model, there are many, but his model is followed, in theory if not always in practice, by a billion or so people.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
14. Nonbelievers grounded on science in part; its system...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:34 PM
Dec 2016

In my own preference.

Not a bad system, if you want one.

Hope everyone had a happy Winter Solstice by the way, Dec. 21. The true origin of Christmas. That's when the days are shortest. But from then on, the light begins to grow stronger.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. And the "light growing stronger" is one reason the solstice celebrations were
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Dec 2016

appropriated by the Christians. Apt imagery for how the faith grew.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
12. People who don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or WMD's in Iraq...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

... are guilty of a belief system too, I guess?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. Notable christians disagree with you.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:08 PM
Dec 2016

CS Lewis a notable standout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis%27s_trilemma

That is not an uncommon understanding among many christians.


And no, atheism is not a belief system. Humanism is. One may lead to the other, but atheism by itself is just a single answer to a single question; do you believe in supernatural gods? (No.)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
17. I've been wishy-washy about it in the past.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:13 PM
Dec 2016

I'd call myself an agnostic because I didn't want to seem closed minded to various possibilities.

Now? Screw it! I'm an atheist, and I'll stay that way until evidence tells me otherwise. It's not a permanent declaration. It's what I am NOW.

I'm sure that Richard Feynman would've believed in flying saucers from outer space IF he saw evidence of it!

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