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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 05:07 PM Mar 2017

Atheist license plate doesnt have a prayer

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/03/atheist-license-plate-prayer/98680062

The Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles has denied a Goshen man’s request to have a personalized plate that read “atheist.”

The state agency denied Chris Bontrager’s request in a letter without citing specific reasoning, The Elkhart Truth reported. The letter states that the agency can deny a personalized plate if it has a connotation offensive to good taste or decency, would be misleading or if the agency considers it improper.

“The BMV’s online tool said that it fit the criteria to be on a plate and I paid for it,” Bontrager said. “So I was a little surprised when I got the denial letter.”

"Improper," eh?

Bontrager said he believes the denial was religiously motivated.

Tell me it isn't so!
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Atheist license plate doesnt have a prayer (Original Post) trotsky Mar 2017 OP
I saw a Colorado plate: OH MY FSM CrispyQ Mar 2017 #1
It couldn't have anything to do with religion. Curmudgeoness Mar 2017 #2
What do atheists pray for? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #3
What makes you think atheists pray? nt. Mariana Mar 2017 #4
Playing off of the title. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #5
You're so god damned clever it boggles the mind A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #6
I am.............in awe of your insight in recognizing my exalted magnificence. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #8
Look, I am NOT going out with you, so STOP messaging me A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #10
An interresting response. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #11
Please stop messaging me. I'm not going to go out with you. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #16
This is either an attempt at humor, or an attempt to get a hide. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #17
You shall ask about this? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #19
This is the third time you have accused me. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #20
So now you feel abused? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #21
You're "playing off" irony? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #7
Irony cannot be met with irony? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #9
Only if you're actually meeting it with irony. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #12
Ironic that an atheist would use a phrase associated with religion. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #13
Congratulations. You've identified the irony in the OP. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #14
In case you were also wondering, I was also being ironic. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #15
What makes you think the headline writer is an atheist? nt. Mariana Mar 2017 #24
One presumes that the writer is not the DU poster. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #25
I think you're reaching. Mariana Mar 2017 #28
The poster made a deliberate decision to pick this particular post. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #29
Yes, atheists say "god dammit" Lordquinton Mar 2017 #22
And if some do say "goddamn", what does it imply? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #23
Your first question makes no sense. Lordquinton Mar 2017 #26
I actually used the term "goddamn". guillaumeb Mar 2017 #27
Perhaps Theists should stop using computers? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #30
I am writing my response with a feather pen, and willing the words onto the DU site. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #31
Seriously though Lordquinton Mar 2017 #32
One would imagine that all of the oppressors are actually dead. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #33
His opressors? That would be the Church of England, and the RCC Lordquinton Mar 2017 #34
No, his oppressors were certain individuals in both organizations. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #35
Both those orginizations preach that homosexuality is evil Lordquinton Mar 2017 #36
Nothing. No one. Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #37
+1 EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #18

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
1. I saw a Colorado plate: OH MY FSM
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 06:16 PM
Mar 2017


The person with me didn't get it.

The other good plate I saw in CO once was: TARDIS

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. It couldn't have anything to do with religion.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 06:20 PM
Mar 2017

Nope. Not religion.

Maybe he should try again using "a theist".

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. Playing off of the title.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:29 PM
Mar 2017

Do atheists ever say goddamn?
Or is someone, I do not know who or even if, but someone damn the preferred usage.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,360 posts)
6. You're so god damned clever it boggles the mind
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:53 PM
Mar 2017

It must be difficult for you to tear yourself away from the mirror in the morning, what with all that awesome cleverness and rapier wit you exude. I imagine if you stand still, you must leave a puddle of awesomeness.

Gee....you're terrific. Truly

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. I am.............in awe of your insight in recognizing my exalted magnificence.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:59 PM
Mar 2017

If I am ever in need of an entourage, I will consider you for a position.

Would you be wiling to carry a mirror so I can always see my divine reflection?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. An interresting response.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:07 PM
Mar 2017

Given that there have been no messages exchanged.

Unless this is an attempt on your part to accuse.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. This is either an attempt at humor, or an attempt to get a hide.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:18 PM
Mar 2017

I shall ask about this because we both know that no messages have been exchanged.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,360 posts)
19. You shall ask about this?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:33 PM
Mar 2017

You might be awesome, but I have no interest in going out with you.

I prefer people of deeper intellect and originality.

So please stop trying to solicit me.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. This is the third time you have accused me.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:36 PM
Mar 2017

You are deliberately making something up that you know is false.

I assume that the Administrators can check into this type of abuse.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,360 posts)
21. So now you feel abused?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:54 PM
Mar 2017

How the hell do you think I feel?

But you clearly don't care because it's all about how awesome you are.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
7. You're "playing off" irony?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:40 PM
Mar 2017

Yeah, you stick it to those abominable atheists and their damnable literary devices. Only true believers have the right to use the language with which they, the privileged class, have flooded our lexicon!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. Irony cannot be met with irony?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mar 2017

I have never accused atheists of being abominable, but if it fits your narrative to feel that way you are of, course, welcome to your views.

But if non-theists truly wish to free themselves from the oppressive yolk of belief, one would think that they could invent better ways to convey their thoughts.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
14. Congratulations. You've identified the irony in the OP.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:12 PM
Mar 2017

In case you were wondering -- and I'm guessing by your reaction you were not -- that irony was intentional.

As.

A.

Literary.

Device.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. In case you were also wondering, I was also being ironic.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:14 PM
Mar 2017

Intentionally so.

But it loses something when it must be explained.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
25. One presumes that the writer is not the DU poster.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:28 PM
Mar 2017

So the choice of posting by a proclaimed non-theist is why I talked of irony.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
28. I think you're reaching.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:03 PM
Mar 2017

The OP used the headline of the piece as the headline for the post, which is pretty common practice when posting a piece written by someone else. It's a real stretch to infer any irony in that.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. The poster made a deliberate decision to pick this particular post.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 04:59 PM
Mar 2017

And given that the poster seems to generally post things in order to put religion in a bad light, I made the reach.

This could easily have been posted in the Atheists group.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
22. Yes, atheists say "god dammit"
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 03:05 AM
Mar 2017

and also "oh my god" usually in response to something unbelievable.

But if it's vexing to theists, we'll gladly stop, if theists stop using atheist things, like computers. As we all know computers were invented by Allan Turing, a gay atheist who was persecuted, tortured, and finally driven to suicide by theists, even though he changed the course of WWII, and also the entire world.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
23. And if some do say "goddamn", what does it imply?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:48 AM
Mar 2017

That only a god can damn?
Cultural conditioning?
Linguistic conditioning?

I suppose saying deGrasse Tyson damn does not have the same conciseness, the same historic relevance.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
26. Your first question makes no sense.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:31 PM
Mar 2017

Even theists say "damnit" does that mean they observe other higher powers that can damn things?

So, why do theists use computers?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. I actually used the term "goddamn".
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 02:36 PM
Mar 2017

But either way, damnation implies someone to damn.

So perhaps non-theists should not use terms that are religiously based? Perhaps non-theists should break from the religiously based linguistic shackles of theistic oppression and only use non-religious terms.

Unless, of course, they are being ironic.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
31. I am writing my response with a feather pen, and willing the words onto the DU site.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:09 PM
Mar 2017

So far it is working very well. Except when the feather causes me to sneeze and then my hand..... alsjdnwie jadschbisa basdhc.
Sorry, I sneezed.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
32. Seriously though
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:02 PM
Mar 2017

I know you're avoiding the point like the plague, but there is zero reason for atheists to not say goddammit, or oh my god. It's a meaningless expression that most of us get from existing in an overly theistic society.

Turing, on the other hand, actually was persecuted, tortured, and driven to suicide by theists, so there's actually a good reasons to keep computers away from those oppressors.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
33. One would imagine that all of the oppressors are actually dead.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:06 PM
Mar 2017

So their access to the internet is probably severely restricted by that fact.

How many believers were persecuted and worse by Russian and Chinese atheists? Was their suffering any less?

Intolerance is a universal trait.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
36. Both those orginizations preach that homosexuality is evil
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:01 PM
Mar 2017

Francis travels the world spreading hate against such people.

Why do you give cover to groups that preach hate?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
37. Nothing. No one.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:08 PM
Mar 2017

That was pretty easy. Do we use the accepted vulgarities of the culture? Of course. That only makes sense.

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