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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:44 PM Mar 2017

The Dilemma Facing Ex-Muslims in Trump's America

The Dilemma Facing Ex-Muslims in Trump's America
How to challenge Islam while defending its adherents

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/03/dilemma-facing-ex-muslim-atheists-in-trumps-america/518553/

“Challenging Islam as a doctrine,” Ali Rizvi told me, “is very different from demonizing Muslim people.” Rizvi, a self-identified ex-Muslim, is the author of a new book titled The Atheist Muslim: A Journey from Religion to Reason. One of the book’s stated aims is to uphold this elementary distinction: “Human beings have rights and are entitled to respect. Ideas, books, and beliefs don’t, and aren’t.”

he problem for Rizvi is that the grain of Western political culture is currently against him. Those in the secular West live in an age when ideas are commonly regarded as “deeds” with the potential to wound. So, on the left, self-critique of Islam is often castigated as critique of Muslims. Meanwhile, the newly elected president of the United States and his inner circle have a tendency to conflate the ideas of radical Islam with the beliefs of the entire Muslim population. So, on the right, the very same self-critique of Islam is used to attack Muslims and legitimize draconian policies against them.


izvi told me he wrote his book to give other ex-Muslims and wavering Muslims a reference point. He particularly had in mind those atheists, agnostics, and humanists who live in Muslim-majority countries where the act of renouncing one’s faith is punishable by death. Rizvi, who was born in 1975 in Pakistan, where blasphemy carries a potential death sentence, and who lived for more than a decade in Saudi Arabia prior to becoming a permanent resident in Canada in 1999, knows all too well how dangerous public declarations of disbelief can be.

In contrast to other prominent ex-Muslim activists, like the Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali, there is no atrocity, trauma, or turbulence in Rizvi’s narrative. He grew up in a loving and supportive family. His parents are Shia Muslims, but they are “secular and relatively liberal” professors, he said. It wasn’t until his late teens that he began to seriously question his faith. According to Rizvi, when he told his parents about his atheism, “they were fine with it. We had arguments, but I wasn’t going to get disowned.” On the day The Atheist Muslim came out, his mother told him, “Your book will do well, inshallah”..

In his book, Rizvi describes himself as an “agnostic atheist,” someone who doesn’t believe in God, but who is open to the possibility that he or she may be wrong. He also admits that when he fully abandoned his faith he was initially reluctant to embrace the “atheist” label. “The stereotype of atheists was of strident, aggressive, arrogant know-it-alls. … This is not how I wanted to identify. I was humbled by everything I did not know, and everything I could not know,” he writes. “It was later that I realized atheism is a position of humility, in contrast to theism, which claims to know the truth, and moreover, deems it divine and absolute.”

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Rizvi is also opposed to any efforts to sanitize Islam as “a religion of peace.” He is particularly critical of any attempt to separate jihadist violence from Islamic scripture, which he believes is one of its main drivers, though not the only driver. This puts him at odds not only with Donald Trump’s currently embattled deputy assistant Sebastian Gorka, who identifies the “martial” passages in Islamic scripture as the overriding cause of jihadist violence, but also with Gorka’s liberal critics who deny or minimize any such causal link.

The main bête noire of The Atheist Muslim is not the Islamic fundamentalists who would like to see Rizvi’s head on a spike,
but the “regressive left,” who, in Rizvi’s view, are the former’s preeminent apologists, and who seek to silence voices like his own. For Rizvi, their suggestion that criticism of Islam equals criticism of Muslims is a form of blackmail, disseminated to shut down any forthright critical engagement with the religion.
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Very very very good article. Count-down to calling this author an anti-muslim bigot in 3, 2, 1.....

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The Dilemma Facing Ex-Muslims in Trump's America (Original Post) Heddi Mar 2017 OP
There are very valid criticisms of the beliefs, practices, and holy texts... trotsky Mar 2017 #1
I appreciate the points the author is making Heddi Mar 2017 #2
Recommended. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #3

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. There are very valid criticisms of the beliefs, practices, and holy texts...
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:07 PM
Mar 2017

of all three Abrahamic religions.

On one side you have the Trumpsters who think Islam isn't even a religion, they're all terrorists, etc.

On the other you have the self-righteous, sanctimonious "liberals" who launch into an automatic knee-jerk defense of religious privilege.

The rest of us are pointing out that yes indeed, there are verses and teachings and practices in ALL the religions that aren't good and shouldn't be part of a modern secular society. The first group attacks us for attacking Christianity, the second group attacks us for attacking religion period.

And so the extremists on both sides have their way.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
2. I appreciate the points the author is making
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 02:10 PM
Mar 2017

and it's a point that is often, sadly, missed in this group:
Criticism of Islam does not equate to anti-muslim bigotry.

You know this, I know this.
This point, however frequently it is made, is sadly lost on many posters here.

Of course, for them, ANY criticism of Religion is a criticism of them, personally. Catholic church does a shitty thing (repeatedly?) WHY DO YOU INSIST ON POSTING ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOTRY? Valid criticism of Islam? WHY DO YOU SUPPORT BIGOTS LIKE SAM HARRIS?

I'm sure they'll find a way to paint a former Muslim-turned-Agnostic-Atheist into an islamophobic bigot

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