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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 03:44 PM Mar 2017

Bills over child care provider background checks draw ire from Va. religious groups

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/general-assembly/bills-over-child-care-provider-background-checks-draw-ire-from/article_4da66226-cd77-528f-8d4b-cc0465ddcc2c.html

In 2012, Elly and Cameron Lafkin of Harrisonburg trusted their 3-month-old daughter, Camden, with a child care provider recommended by friends and on whom they did a public knowledge background check based on the provider’s name. The check did not turn up any suspicious results.

Then, after four weeks with the care provider, Cami was found unresponsive and rushed to an emergency room. After CPR efforts failed to revive her, she was pronounced dead.

“After Camden died, the police arrested (the provider) and fingerprinted her, and that’s unfortunately how we found out she had five alias names and she was on felony probation under one of the alias names,” Elly Lafkin said.

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he Lafkins are aiming to push those requirements even further this year. Similar bills in the House and Senate would require all providers — even those operating under a religious exemption — to undergo fingerprint background checks.

Some religiously exempt day care centers have voiced strong opposition to the bill, claiming it represents government overreach and unfairly targets ministry facilities. Currently, those facilities self-report to the Virginia Department of Social Services that their providers undergo name-based background checks.

“It feels like the Department of Social Services just wants to have authority over us,” said Pastor John W. Godfrey of Immanuel Baptist Church in Clifton Forge, which runs a day care center.
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But even with that money at stake, some who support religiously exempt day care facilities remain fiercely opposed to the bills.

The overarching fear is that expanding background check requirements could lead to the government controlling everything about ministry day care centers or even removing the religious exemption option altogether.

Orrock was among those who have raised reservations about the bill.

“Religious day care (centers) feel this is an overreach, and I must say I concur,” Orrock said.

Orrock included a sunset clause in his bill that would end Virginia’s fingerprint background check requirements should the federal government change its regulations.

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We view this through a religious liberty lens,” Zacharias said. “For the state to license any ministry of a church, in our perspective, is a violation of the separation of church and state and can lead to other kinds of controls beyond just safety controls.”

He said he believes the federal rules have been misinterpreted to impose further regulations on religiously exempt day care centers.

It’s not that he wants Virginia to refuse federal funds for low-income families, he said. He wants Virginia lawmakers to band together to challenge the federal regulation and protect religiously exempt institutions.
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I have my grandson in a religious exempt (day care center). It’s wonderful. I like that they’re getting Christ-centered education,” she said.

“However, I want to know his teacher does not have a criminal background. Just because you’re working in a church does not mean you don’t have a criminal background.”

Requiring fingerprint background checks, Taylor said, is the surest way to ensure that a child care provider does not have a criminal past. Unlike fingerprint checks, name-based background checks are not capable of exposing aliases.

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It's good to know they're not wanting to be afforded any "special rights" and that the concern is with the safety of the children, as always
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Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
1. Why wouldn't parents demand this level of safety for their children?
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 03:53 PM
Mar 2017

Lots of other professionals have to be fingerprinted for the employer to be bonded and insured. Nurses, therapists, etc. Child care providers expect the ultimate trust from parents. Why not certify their identities?

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
3. I have a PA RN license (one of many states)
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:04 PM
Mar 2017

and I just had to go through the arduous task of doing my child abuse online education/testing. That's just for renewal and it took me about 6ish hours to do.

Prior to getting registered I had to list every address I've ever lived at since 1975, and since I wasn't born until 1976 had to provide a notarized statement that I had no addresses between 1/1/75 and my 1976 birthday due to not being born (no, really), in addition to filling out a 20-page questionnaire, and undergoing 3 sets of fingerprints (Local, even though I'd never lived in PA before, FBI, and local to where I was currently living at the time).

And every 2 years I have to do the Child Abuse CEU's.

I don't even WORK with children -- my patients are all Medicare home-bound patients >30years old.

But, I don't bitch about it b/c it's to ensure the safety of everyone. I take the mandated reporter part of my job seriously, and it really sickens me that these religious schools want to get out of it because of some stupid religious freedom bullshit. Get with the program -- just because you go to church or work at a church doesn't mean that you have the child's best interest in mind, that you aren't a criminal, and that you are not a danger to children and other people.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
4. I had to do that in Texas...
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:09 PM
Mar 2017

I think I even listed a vague address (street name, no number) going back to age 10. It was ridiculous, since I thought they should only go back to my first address as a legal adult.
Yes, there is always some mandatory 2 hour, 6 hour course to take even though it has nothing to do with the practice you've enjoyed for the last ten years. I wonder if some of them are money makers for friends of people on the BON.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
5. I'm licensed in 7 states
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:12 PM
Mar 2017

and could a state have a damn CEU that could be used in multiple states, despite the differences in requirements being so fricking nil as to not even matter? nooooooo. So 6 hours for PA, 4 for FL, another 7 for IL....plus the CEU's to keep up with professional certifications. I think I spend more time doing CEU's for my job/license/certs than I do actually working rofl.

And so for PA -- with the address thing -- there were some addresses I lived at as a child, like elementary school child...I don't remember the number, they were trailers in a trailer park, one of many that I lived in. So for like 3 of them I put "Stall Road" or "Orvin Road"--I can't remember the number. I was 8 and we lived there for 8 months, you know.

Fricking state writes me back...no, we need the number

The one on Stall Road is a housing complex now. An entire block is gone and turned into apartments. How the frank am I supposed to know the fricking street address and WHY DOES IT MATTER? I WAS 8.

idiots

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
6. It's like the rules have to be written so no one has to think.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:18 PM
Mar 2017

They'd never make it in nursing school -- too much critical thinking required.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
7. Tell me about it
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:24 PM
Mar 2017

God (heh) forbid we make a nurse use some fking critical thinking.

Venting -- have had it up to my eyeballs with new grad RN's working in home health calling me -- today I got asked whether they could use tap water to do a bladder irrigation. I'm like "um remember we learned in school that the bladder is sterile and we should never introduce non-sterile fluids in...???" I have a feeling that she already USED tap water for the bladder flush and was looking for an Ok after the fact. I'm like "we ordered this last week...didn't you bring sterile saline or sterile H2O with you" oh no, she forgot. She has saline flushes though, can she use those ???



I feel so badly for these folks, they're just being churned out of school to make up for the already bad and getting worse RN shortage an they have NO clinical skills or common sense/critical thinking. It's *REALLY* bad with the RN's licensed in PA for some reason. I mean, I have had to call the HH Agency 2x's in the last month because of numbskull decisions by the RN's and about to make the third call about the tap water bladder flush.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
8. Personally, I don't think even RNs should be doing HH until they've had
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:30 PM
Mar 2017

a good solid year of employment in med-surg in a hospital. Floor nursing, rotating after several months from cardiac step-down to ortho, to urology, etc

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
9. I know. It's hard though because these places offer great money
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 04:38 PM
Mar 2017

and hospital RN jobs are tremendously hard to come by unless you've got a BSN and years of CNA or MA experience. I know new grads who worked at starbux as baristas bc they couldn't get a job anywhere--not even the old standby-til-something-better-comes-along Nursing Home Gig.

So these gals and guys have a 2-year degree and since every hospital in PA is magnet, no one will hire them without a BSN, so they ge lured into a home health job that pays them $26/an hour without realizing that they are not just putting the patient's lives on the lines, but their licenses as well. That HH Agency isn't going to stand behind them when shit hits the fan, as it sadly often does.

I remember graduating and the tele-unit I worked on wanted a 2- year committment before they'd train me for ICU. I'm like why? I'm smart, why do I need 2 years? and then about 9 months in I was like aaah...yeah...okay...I don't know shit.

It always made me cringe when I'd work at ER's that were happy to hire new-grads with no HC experience -- how can you tell someone is going downhill if you don't even know what someone going downhill looks like? Everyone is so eager to grow up -- either children, or new grads in any profession. I know I was, and my husband was (he's an RN too) but we both had the insight to realize how dangerous for patients & us that would be, to be in a critical care situation without any assessment and thinking and problem solving skills.

Finally, 12 years in, and I"m getting my MSN in Education. I knew RN's that the day they graduated with their BSN they're applying to be an FNP...what the hell? How can you be an NP when you've never even been a *nurse*??? I do know that some schools now require at least 5 years as an RN, and I know CRNA require 5-10 years in ER/ICU/critical care for alot of programs.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
2. Because no one working for a religious institution ever did anything illegal with kids, right?
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 03:56 PM
Mar 2017

Except maybe a few priests. Or religious boot camp people. Or youth ministers. Or...

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