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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:29 PM Oct 2017

Religion, in contrast to many other human conditions, is purely a choice.

Race, gender, hair color, sexual orientation, body type, and many other characteristics are not choices. What we cannot choose, we cannot change.

Religion is not like that at all. Every person chooses religious belief, even if they don't think they do. Even in places where religion is controlled by the state, people choose whether they believe or do not. They may choose to appear as though they believe, even if they do not, but it's all a choice. People who are raised in a religion, too, often end up not believing the tenets of that religion.

What one chooses to believe or follow does not give one the right to choose for others. If someone thinks it does, then they have given up their own right to choose to that degree, but that means nothing to anyone else, really.

Many religions claim that they are the only path to righteousness, eternal life, or whatever. Their followers sometimes believe this wholeheartedly or not. But, their beliefs are contradicted by people who believe some other religion is the only correct path. It's all nonsense and self-contradictory, really.

No amount or sincerity of religious belief comes with any right to dictate the beliefs of others. Some people can't accept that, and continue to try to dictate belief. Such attempts are worthless and unsuccessful, in the end. There are always many who do not accept such dictates and who will believe or disbelieve by their own choice. Others will just pretend.

Rejecting the right of the religious to dictate to others who do not follow their religion is a fundamental tenet of freedom. I reject all such beliefs, and cannot believe what I do not believe. All efforts to make me believe will fail miserably.

Believe what you can, religious people. I don't care, and I won't try to make you disbelieve. But, please, do not attempt to force me in any way to believe as you do, nor attempt to force me to follow your religion's restrictions. I will take extreme umbrage from that and will defy you openly and publicly. That's my choice. You've made your choice. I insist that you leave me to make mine.

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Religion, in contrast to many other human conditions, is purely a choice. (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2017 OP
You are totally correct. Most people get indoctrinated at an early age and never think bitterross Oct 2017 #1
we have no control over mental disease Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #2
Mental disorders can be cured or at least treated. MineralMan Oct 2017 #3
not enough fall away from hateful religious beliefs Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #8
I especially appreciate your final paragraph! BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #4
Thank you. It simply follows the logic of the rest. MineralMan Oct 2017 #5
I dunno, MineralMan. I don't think it's entirely voluntary. Mariana Oct 2017 #6
You have learned reason. Had you MineralMan Oct 2017 #9
Well said, Mr. Man.. Permanut Oct 2017 #7
The Age of Reason produced it. MineralMan Oct 2017 #10
Agreed, and recommended. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
1. You are totally correct. Most people get indoctrinated at an early age and never think
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:34 PM
Oct 2017

Most just never question it or think about it.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
3. Mental disorders can be cured or at least treated.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:43 PM
Oct 2017

viz: Many people fall away from or abandon religious beliefs, regardless of the time spent believing.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
6. I dunno, MineralMan. I don't think it's entirely voluntary.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 05:43 PM
Oct 2017

I don't think I could will myself into believing there's such a thing as deities, no matter how much effort I put into it. I'd have to see some compelling evidence. Then, I would believe, but it wouldn't be because I chose to believe.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
9. You have learned reason. Had you
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 07:51 PM
Oct 2017

Not, you might be able to choose, but there is a turning point when reason takes over and it is no longer possible to believe that supernatural entities exist, I think. Some people either do not grasp reason or reject it.

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