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From the article:
I recently spoke to a group of 80 college-educated, mostly liberal women in Silicon Valley, certainly one of the most progressive regions of the United States. I was astonished to find that, despite revelations of widespread sexual harassment of women in Hollywood, the tech industry and other professions in the United States that have spawned the #MeToo movement, what concerned these women most was saving American Muslim women from Islam.
To read more:
https://www.religionnews.com/2018/03/06/muslim-women-dont-need-saving-from-their-religion/
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Many Muslim women disagree.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Oh wait, in some countries you won't even be able to talk to women to ask them. I guess that might skew the results.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Many is a very vague term. Many in a group of six could be four. Perhaps you are part of the group to which she refers in the article.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I forgot that you are the king of argumentum ad populum.
But since we can't survey all Muslim women, I guess we'll never know.
It's just important to note that you only posted ONE viewpoint. There are others that are just as valid.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But remember that your response is only ONE viewpoint.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)So now what? One viewpoint says Muslim women aren't oppressed. Another says they are. Kinda comes down to what you've been conditioned to believe oppression is, doesn't it? And perhaps - just perhaps - religious indoctrination affects that conditioning?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)What have you been conditioned to believe?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Thankfully I broke free.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Did you attend school? What of that conditioning?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)However, you are veering way off course from the topic of this thread because you didn't like how you were being exposed.
I asked if religious indoctrination could have an effect on how one perceives the oppression of women.
Do you agree or disagree? Simple question with a simple answer.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,862 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)My tactics are to hold you responsible for what you say. Damn, you figured it out.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)How many does THAT represent?
It's not universal, I know that, even if we just take the activists at their word.
Voltaire2
(12,622 posts)religion and its theocratic states that enforce sharia laws on their subjects is just fine with this woman.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but the nuance of your comments reveals you very well.
Voltaire2
(12,622 posts)It is an embarrassment of whataboutisms.
According to the author voluntarily following sharia is just the same as a theocratic state imposing medieval laws on its subjects.
It is a shit post. You should try reading it again with your eyes open this time and consider what this woman is defending.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)So I will make an assumption, and attach this piece:
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)The assumption being that women can't be a part of a system that oppresses women. They very well can. Look at the GOP, for example.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)A majority of Muslims agree that reasonable people will interpret the Sharia differently, Lombardi says:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/06/19/what-is-sharia-law/
Voltaire2
(12,622 posts)In Egypt and many other Islamic states a womans testimony in family court carries half the weight of a mans.
In Algeria as in many other Islamic states, women are considered minors under the authority of a husband or male relative.
Mauritania imposes the full sharia criminal code in addition to the more typical family law codes. Amputations, whippings, stoning
Somalia: full sharia. Sudan, same. You can be stoned to death for adultery.
Iran and Saudi Arabia - women are second class citizens. Both impose full family and criminal sharia.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,862 posts)I believe women got the right to drive in Saudi Arabia last year, so...
nil desperandum
(654 posts)and they don't even need a male family member's permission! What a huge step forward!
Of course they still need permission to work or travel abroad from a male family member so their ability to actually enjoy the new law may be somewhat limited in reality.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Voltaire2
(12,622 posts)that response?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Voltaire2
(12,622 posts)brutal religious misogyny.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Nor, one assumes, does the author of this piece.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But a hell of a lot of them do, and they're the ones causing the most problems.
Now given that you also decree that no one can define a religion for anyone else, you've got quite the conundrum on your hands.
More_Cowbell
(2,190 posts)This is probably an unpopular opinion, but to me the hijab is a symbol to *some* (not all) Muslim men that some women are to be respected, and some women don't have to be respected.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Are they also sending a message?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I doubt that makes sense.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,862 posts)A woman in Iran, for instance, was sentenced to two years in prison for publicly removing her headscarf, or hijab, to protest an unjust law. Its 2018 and women are still being punished in the Middle East for choosing not to wear a specific religious garment.
The woman (who wasnt named) intends to appeal the verdict, but in a country like Iran, theres no guarantee the courts will rule in her favor. In fact, the law is on the side of the prosecution, unfortunately.
Iranian law, in place since the Islamic Revolution of 1979, stipulates that all women, Iranian or foreign, Muslim or non-Muslim, must be fully veiled in public at all times.
The prosecutor says this woman wanted to encourage corruption, but you could also say she was fighting a kind of corruption by standing up to an unfair law that treats women as second-class citizens. Her sentence is considered light by the prosecutor, but any time spent in prison for removing a headscarf is too much.
Cartoonist
(7,298 posts)An Iranian woman who publicly removed her veil to protest against a mandatory hijab law has been sentenced to two years in prison, prosecutors say
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Women are loving themselves some religion.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)that's great news!
Since she's clearly able to point out flaws in our society that definitely negates any problems for Muslim women.
I seem to recall christians had a saying about that sort of activity...something about before pointing out the mote in someone else's eye you might consider the beam in your own eyes...they called those people something....what was that word?
edhopper
(33,191 posts)when the Democratic Party obviously has problems we should deal with.
I guess that is how it works here.