Bad news: Students' survey highlights censorship of Christian college newspapers

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

A group of Christian college students has released a survey that suggests censorship of student publications is not uncommon at American Christian schools, with student editors alleging faculty and administrators wield broad editorial control over campus newspapers and sometimes kill stories before publication.
Administrators at Christian colleges have a legal right to control their schools’ newspapers, and argue they do so to safeguard the values that define their institutions.

To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2018/05/08/students-survey-highlights-censorship-of-christian-college-newspapers/

Censorship is not confined to religious institutions. As Noam Chomsky observed many years ago, there is the informal institutional censorship that exists in the corporate media. But speaking strictly about censorship at schools, stories are everywhere about student papers being censored.

[Ron Obvious]

1. I would have assumed this to be the case.

I may be prejudiced, but honestly:

"censorship of student publications is not uncommon at American Christian schools, with student editors alleging faculty and administrators wield broad editorial control over campus newspapers and sometimes kill stories before publication."

Is this really a surprise to anyone?

[guillaumeb]

2. It should not be.

And it happens in the "professional media" all of the time. Anyone working for a conservative outlet knows where not to go. FOX and Sinclair are just the most blatant examples.

[trotsky]

8. #Whataboutism n/t

[guillaumeb]

13. The 11th Commandment.

[trotsky]

30. Jesus gil, you gotta work on your memes.

That's really pathetic.

[Voltaire2]

10. A shitty example.

You might want to compare censorship at secular universities and colleges to religious ones.

All news organizations have editorial policies. That is not censorship in the same sense as the article you posted intended.

You have once again used an equivocation fallacy to make a point.

[guillaumeb]

14. The 11th Commandment is very strong in some.

[Mariana]

29. What are you babbling about?

Did you post anything positive about religion? No. So your idiotic imaginary Commandment wouldn't apply in this thread, even if it did exist.

[guillaumeb]

37. The 11th Commandment is very strong in some.

[zipplewrath]

5. Not exactly

What tends to surprise me is that these publications didn't go independent decades ago. On many college campuses, the "student newspapers" went off campus to get out from the control of the institution. They have vague relationships with their institutions and it keeps them independent with full editorial control.

[Mariana]

9. Students at these school may have been threatened with explulsion

if they dare to participate in such an endeavor.

[guillaumeb]

20. An interesting, if unsupported assertion.

[Mariana]

23. You're still assigning your own personal definitions to words, I see.

Post #9 does not contain any assertion, unsupported or otherwise.

[guillaumeb]

32. May have been threatened is a supposition.

One offered with no support.

[Mariana]

35. It is indeed a supposition. A supposition isn't an assertion.

The real definitions of those two words indicate they mean entirely different things.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. And...

just WHAT kind of Christian kid, who's SO Christian that he has to attend a Christian College,,,,thinks his school paper is going to let him report anything salacious? Seems the height of naivate'(sp)
dt must be getting an incredible pass on Religious Colleges newspapers eh?

[yallerdawg]

3. These are the kinds of things...

that drive the "millennial's" breakaway from organized religion.

You'd think churches would recognize the rebellious nature of our children.

Don't they have a foundational book about it?

[guillaumeb]

4. I think the breakaway could result in religions realizing that they must evolve.

In the long term, this has the potential to be a good thing.

[Voltaire2]

12. A belief system based on revealed truth

shouldn’t ever have to “evolve”.

[Major Nikon]

6. Intolerance is what drives millennials away from organized religion

Which doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Voltaire2]

11. Well that plus it is 99% nonsense

[guillaumeb]

17. The 11th Commandment is very strong in some.

[guillaumeb]

15. The 11th Commandment.

[Major Nikon]

18. Same goes for you

Intolerance doesn’t mean what you think it means, and the more you promote that nonsense the more you proof you offer.

[guillaumeb]

19. You are fond of making your claim.

As a reminder, please define theism because what you thought it meant is not what it actually means. Perhaps you are inadvertently engaging in self-analysis here?

[Major Nikon]

21. Webster and I are in complete agreement

So while you are free to define your own meanings, it does not make you any more literate for the effort.

[guillaumeb]

22. Nice try.

Your claim was that theism had nothing to do with a deity.

So feel free to post from Webster. Or, allow me to search for you:

Definition of theism
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theism


Look carefully at the citation and the address.


Amazing display on your part.

edited to add:

Belief in God based on reason rather than revelation or the teaching of any specific religion is known as deism. The word originated in England in the early 17th century as a rejection of orthodox Christianity. Deists asserted that reason could find evidence of God in nature and that God had created the world and then left it to operate under the natural laws devised by God. By the late 18th century, deism was the dominant religious attitude among Europe’s educated classes; it was accepted by many upper-class Americans of the same era, including the first three US presidents.

From the same source, but defining deism. Note the references to God and the first 3 US Presidents. I believe that Jefferson was one of the first 3, correct?

So, with that established, feel free to equate deism, or theism, with atheism.

[Mariana]

24. "Your claim was that theism had nothing to do with a deity."

Where was that claim made?

[Major Nikon]

27. Reminds me of something

[guillaumeb]

33. Here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=282852

[Mariana]

36. In that post, Major Nikon said:

"When deism was popular, it was really just a placeholder for atheism. It posited a non-interventionalist god with no dogma or doctrine who didn’t care if you begged or not. It was basically religion for atheists during a time when it was somewhat more of a stigma to claim atheism compared to today."

How is that a claim that theism has nothing to do with a deity? It doesn't say anything like that.

[guillaumeb]

38. MN was attempting to equate deism with atheism.

And that fails because deism accepts the existence of a god. Nice try on both of your parts, but the argument fails anyway.

[Major Nikon]

40. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there

Not only do you invent the most outrageous stories, but you aren’t afraid to repeat them. Please do so as often as possible. I’m bookmarking this for the next time I need a laugh at your expense.

[guillaumeb]

50. Now you sound like your mentor.

[Major Nikon]

58. Perhaps, but nobody sound as random as you

Which is what I like most. Please don’t change.

[Mariana]

41. You're making even less sense than usual.

Stop bearing false witness against your neighbors, Gil.

[Major Nikon]

43. Please don't discourage him

Pulling the chain is loads more fun.

[Mariana]

44. Don't fret.

I doubt anything I say will discourage him. Not when he has multitudes of fans sending him numerous personal messages, asking that he continue doing what he is doing, and praising his efforts here.

[guillaumeb]

51. Perhaps the fault lies with you?

[Lordquinton]

46. And you accuse others of being literalists

[Major Nikon]

42. At this point it's just hilarious

Gibberish has its limits, but like the good book says with god anything is possible.

[guillaumeb]

52. What is hilarious are your attempts

to reframe your mistake as my fault. And the choir is not helping.

[Major Nikon]

25. Your first sentence proves you have no clue what my claim was

I didn’t bother reading the rest of your rambling.

Next time try to address my posts in the same thread in which I posted them. I’m just not that impressed by someone who has to google all their knowledge as ammunition for condescension. My interest in picking through lengthy posts which almost certainly contain no original thoughts is limited.

[guillaumeb]

34. Have you forgotten your previous assertion?

Here it is:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=282852

[Major Nikon]

39. Nor have I forgotten your strawman gibberish

So please do repeat it again for the cheap seats. Soon there won’t be a dry eye in the house.

[guillaumeb]

49. I understand why you wish to ignore it.

It was quite a silly assertion to make.

[trotsky]

7. Can't just post the article.

Gotta include your trademark whatboutism.

[guillaumeb]

16. Copyright provisions are interesting things.

Perhaps you should do some research into them.

[Major Nikon]

28. Perhaps you should have followed your own advice

At least you might have understood the difference.

[guillaumeb]

53. This makes no sense at all.

[Mariana]

55. Perhaps the fault lies with you? nt.

[guillaumeb]

57. If I made a claim that deism was a placeholder for atheism, yes,

the fault would be mine. But that claim was made by MN, and in cue, the choir leapt to the offense.

[Major Nikon]

59. You stole my line!

[guillaumeb]

60. I invented that line,

and I also invented the Internet.

[Major Nikon]

61. Sounds like you are taking Matthew 19:26 literally

Can’t have that.

[trotsky]

31. Didn't ask you to post the entire thing.

Just leave off your whataboutism.

The topics here in the Religion forum are about religion. I know this bothers you when it's bad news about religion, and your reflexive need kicks in to go all "FOX News Fair and Balanced" making sure that enough happy fluffy things are posted too, or at least some whataboutism to try and deflect from negative religious news.

[Lordquinton]

47. Wow, even more literalism

[MineralMan]

45. Ah, those colleges' Journalism majors will be ready for jobs with Fox News.

Fox New motto: "All the news that fits our agenda, we run it!"

[NeoGreen]

48. This editor would strike your "All" and insert..

.."Only".

Just sayin'

[bobbieinok]

54. Also state and private universties. The claim that articles wpuld upset donors, alums

[guillaumeb]

56. And interrupt donations?

The horror.