Jimmy Carter gently jabs Trump at Liberty commencement

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

Taking the podium Saturday to a standing ovation a year after Trump spoke to Liberty graduates, Carter took note of the large crowd at the university stadium. He said Liberty President Jerry Falwell Jr. “told me before we came here that it’s even bigger — I hate to say this — than it was last year.”

To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2018/05/20/jimmy-carter-gently-jabs-trump-at-liberty-commencement/

[Act_of_Reparation]

1. Was it worth lending legitimacy to Liberty University?

Methinks not.

[guillaumeb]

2. President Carter obviously thought otherwise.

Should we segregate ourselves and form a separate country?

[MineralMan]

4. Be my guest.

[Act_of_Reparation]

9. Because the alternative to giving Liberty U undue influence and status...

...is "segregate ourselves and form a separate country"?

[Lordquinton]

24. Apparently only extremes exist

Dichotomies must be upheld, even if they are false.

[Mariana]

10. Christians support Christians.

Most of them, most of the time.

This will be used in the future to shut down any criticism of Liberty University. "Jimmy Carter didn't have any objection to what we do here. Why, he even spoke at our graduation ceremony in 2018! So what's your problem?"

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. That's no doubt a big part of it.

I know why Liberty invited him. They want legitimacy and influence on par with the Ivies. Having a former president—party doesn't matter—speak at your graduation ceremony is a step in that direction. Now and forever, Liberty University will be able to counter criticisms of their legitimacy as an academic institution with "We've hosted presidents".

It is less clear why Carter would accept the invitation. You can dialogue with the Christian Right without accepting an invitation to an openly bigoted institution run by an openly bigoted Trump-humping asshat named Falwell.

[MineralMan]

3. If ever there were a toxic center of higher education,

Liberty University would be the first place to look. Personally, I think it's a shame that President Carter spoke there at all.

[guillaumeb]

5. The President obviously thought otherwise.

Dialogue is preferable to silence.

[MineralMan]

6. Obviously, he did.

I have my own opinion regarding that.

Dialogue is only useful when it is based on equal representation of ideas. I think what you envision is called a "monologue," based on your calls for silence from the non-religious in this open discussion area.

[guillaumeb]

7. Your opinion is noted.

As is your mis-framing.

[MineralMan]

8. Well, I'm glad someone is taking notes.

It's good to know that you're carefully noting posts that disagree with you. That way, you'll always have things to talk about here. I haven't the patience for such record-keeping.

[Lordquinton]

25. ...

[Lordquinton]

27. Two logical fallacies in one post

Such a bargain!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

12. Liberty University is a cesspool of shit.

That anyone gives any amount of legitimacy to them is beyond me.

But, what do you think, guillaumeb. Are you a fan of Liberty U?

[guillaumeb]

13. I am a fan of dialogue and outreach. eom

[Mariana]

14. You're not such a fan of dialog and outreach here, though.

If you were, you'd answer the question.

[guillaumeb]

15. It was a statement giving the poster's feeling about Liberty University.

I attended a religious university, but one run by Jesuits and one that encouraged independent thought.

[Mariana]

16. The poster didn't ask you about your school.

What do you think of Liberty University?

[Voltaire2]

17. No you clearly are not.

[guillaumeb]

18. You confuse positive dialogue with the type of dialogue

that you prefer. The 11th Commandment restricts the type of dialogue that is allowable. Or rather, the Commandment restricts the type of dialogue that some would obviously prefer to see here.

But the group is open to all types of dialogue, positive and negative, and attempts to restrict it to only negative dialogue will be resisted.

[Voltaire2]

19. Says the poster who runs around denouncing

people here, and refusing to engage in honest dialogue whenever he feels his precious commandment has been violated.

At least you’ve managed to convince yourself of your righteousness.

[guillaumeb]

20. You definitely convinced yourself.

Congratulations on that.

[Voltaire2]

21. See post 19.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

22. So partake in the dialogue.

Do you agree with the positions of Liberty University.

It's easy to answer. Watch:

I wholeheartedly disagree with the positions of Liberty University. Fuck Falwell and the house he rode in on.

[guillaumeb]

23. I am not a conservative Christian.

I do not agree with Liberty University on probably most matters of theology either.

[sprinkleeninow]

26. Good thing you said house.

Good! Equines 🐎 were left outta the phrase. They're INNOCENT! 😁

I want to give Jimmy a pass. Mb he felt something beneficent would rub offa him and transfer to someone. I said 'maybe'.

That institution and the founder et al are truly not my cup of tea. They spread dangerous fallacy.