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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
Tue May 22, 2018, 07:54 PM May 2018

Atheism Is Not a Philosophy.

It is merely a statement: "I do not believe that any deity or deities exist."

From that statement, nothing follows. Atheists may adhere to any philosophical principles they wish, and they do exactly that. They have a full range of political beliefs, as well.

One can make no assumptions about atheists, since atheism is simply disbelief of the existence of deities. Beyond that, the label of atheism tells you virtually nothing about an individual atheist.

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Atheism Is Not a Philosophy. (Original Post) MineralMan May 2018 OP
You got that right!! LakeArenal May 2018 #1
Yup. I just wanted to make that clear. MineralMan May 2018 #2
yeppers - not a religion, not a philosophy. Just a statement on one thing rurallib May 2018 #3
Exactly. MineralMan May 2018 #4
I get into a lot of discussions (arguments) where the other side TlalocW May 2018 #5
I take issue with only one point Lordquinton May 2018 #6
Atheist are often liberal edhopper May 2018 #7
Getting lost in the semiotics Lordquinton May 2018 #8
I get your point. edhopper May 2018 #9
And I yours Lordquinton May 2018 #10
I'm not entirely sure that's true. MineralMan May 2018 #14
Given the focus of the group Lordquinton May 2018 #16
Off is my favorite tv channel. Voltaire2 May 2018 #11
Atheism could be a consequence of a philosophy marylandblue May 2018 #12
Sure. It is frequently a quality of a philosophy. Voltaire2 May 2018 #13
Sure. But atheism, itself, is not a philosophy, nor does MineralMan May 2018 #15
It's not even that Major Nikon May 2018 #17
If I might ask ollie10 May 2018 #18
Pretty much the same as the abdominal snowman Major Nikon May 2018 #19
Well, what type of evidence that these independent sources would confirm... ollie10 May 2018 #20
Oh...I know this one! (raises hand) Fix The Stupid May 2018 #21
I'd be satisfied with turning MD 20/20 into George T. Stagg Major Nikon May 2018 #23
Abdominal? uriel1972 May 2018 #22

LakeArenal

(28,806 posts)
1. You got that right!!
Tue May 22, 2018, 08:15 PM
May 2018

People love explaining to me what I don’t believe. Drives me crazy!

Simply: I don’t believe in divinity. That’s it.

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
3. yeppers - not a religion, not a philosophy. Just a statement on one thing
Tue May 22, 2018, 08:30 PM
May 2018

And no set of beliefs flow from that statement, no matter how much believers want it so.
Believers seem to want atheists to fit in some box so they can attack them. Sorry folks - no can do.

TlalocW

(15,377 posts)
5. I get into a lot of discussions (arguments) where the other side
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:00 PM
May 2018

Starts going off on evolution, big-bang, different moral systems, etc. It's fun to let them go for a while then ask them, "What does any of that have to do with atheism, which is just a rejection of claims that gods exist?" You can see it in their deflating faces that their arguments rely on putting an atheist into a box with x, y, and z characteristics.

TlalocW

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
6. I take issue with only one point
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:09 PM
May 2018

The political views one. Atheists are overwhelmingly liberal. In any poll having to deal with the intersection of religion and politics atheists are the biggest block the left has.

Of course if you listen to anyone talking about it we're mostly conservative MRA types, but you have to ignore any sort of real evidence to make that claim.

edhopper

(33,488 posts)
7. Atheist are often liberal
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:17 PM
May 2018

and Humanist in philosophy.

They are also usually smart and good looking

But those characteristics are not integral to Atheism, which is just lack of belief.



Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
8. Getting lost in the semiotics
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:21 PM
May 2018

There aren't any true descriptors, but you can still make predictions. And we are far too often thrown under the bus when it comes to politics, so it's good to bring it up whenever possible.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
14. I'm not entirely sure that's true.
Wed May 23, 2018, 09:07 AM
May 2018

Because Ayn Rand and many others. Certainly the atheists hanging around DU are liberals, at least most of them. It's possible that most atheists in the United States are liberals, but I don't know, really. However, I doubt that atheists are "overwhelmingly" liberal. It would be interesting to see some statistics on that, both in the US and globally.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. Given the focus of the group
Wed May 23, 2018, 06:44 PM
May 2018

US based, political website, I was going from that angle. You can look at any research and find that the largest liberal voting block, by percentage, is atheists (or probably labeled nones, but that still counts!)

Once you get outside the US all the definitions break down.

Like I said above, lost in the semiotics.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. Atheism could be a consequence of a philosophy
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:42 PM
May 2018

It's a conclusion you drew based on evidence or lack thereof, right? But how you think about that evidence is a consequence of your personal approach to life. I'd guess that most atheists put a lot of faith in the scientific method and the need for hard evidence before accepting something. They are less likely to accept arguments from authority or from popularity than the average. They are more likely to be skeptical in general. There could be other philosophical that make one more predisposed to atheism.

Voltaire2

(12,965 posts)
13. Sure. It is frequently a quality of a philosophy.
Wed May 23, 2018, 05:29 AM
May 2018

But still it is simply the absence of belief in any gods.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
15. Sure. But atheism, itself, is not a philosophy, nor does
Wed May 23, 2018, 09:08 AM
May 2018

it necessarily lead to any particular philosophical positions.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
17. It's not even that
Wed May 23, 2018, 07:04 PM
May 2018

All atheists reject the belief in deities. That’s all that’s required to fit the definition.

Some atheists go one step farther and believe there are no deities, but that isn’t the same thing.

I reject the belief in the abominable snowman. If someone comes up with convincing evidence I am certainly willing to change my mind based on new evidence. Until then I see no need to be convinced one way or another. I feel the same way about imaginary friends, magic zombies, holy poltergeists, and other abstract creations.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
18. If I might ask
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:17 AM
May 2018

what types of evidence would be acceptable new evidence to support the idea of a deity in your view?

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
19. Pretty much the same as the abdominal snowman
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:33 PM
May 2018

If multiple independent sources had confirmation of an intelligent supernatural being, that would do it.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
20. Well, what type of evidence that these independent sources would confirm...
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:39 PM
May 2018

...would be acceptable?

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
21. Oh...I know this one! (raises hand)
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:06 PM
May 2018

How about this for evidence?

Walking on water?
Raise the dead?
Turn water into wine?
Heal a blind person?
Control the weather??? (that jesus guy apparently could...)

How about that for evidence?
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