Bishop whose sermon lit up royal wedding to lead White House protest

[kwassa]

Since so many on DU don't seem to understand that there are progressive Christians, and they vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/politics/bishop-curry-white-house/index.html

(CNN)Fresh off his star-making sermon at the British royal wedding on Saturday, Episcopal Presiding Bishop Michael Curry plans to take part in a candlelight vigil and protest in front of the White House on Thursday.

Curry will be joined by leaders from Christian churches who say they are concerned about a "dangerous crisis of moral and political leadership at the highest levels of our government and in our churches." Those crises, Curry and the other Christian leaders say, put "the soul of the nation and the integrity of faith" at stake.

Organizers say they expect 1,000 people to turn out for a church service before the protest and for the protest itself, to be held on Thursday evening in Lafayette Square, a park across the street from the White House.

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The sharply worded statement also calls "America first," a foreign-policy slogan endorsed by President Donald Trump, "theological heresy" and condemns the "normalization of lying" and "the resurgence of white nationalism, racism, and xenophobia; misogyny; attacks on immigrants, refugees, and the poor."

[Lordquinton]

1. Who doesn't understand that there are progressive Christians?

[kwassa]

2. Many progressives don't.

as evidenced by commentary on this forum.

[edhopper]

3. Criticism of Christianity

or religion in general doesn't mean there aren't progressive believers.

It's a religion forum, we talk about religion.

But good to hear about the Bishop. His new found fame should serve the protest well.

[kwassa]

6. I saw your painting at the new Whitney museum in December.

I really like it.

[edhopper]

17. I was just there for the

Grant Wood show.

Both remarkable artists.

[kwassa]

29. The meat packing district around the museum still looks like this.

[edhopper]

30. I think it looks

completely different from even 5 years ago. Between the High Line and all the new Apt. Bldgs, it's very different from when I worked around there in the 90s. I remember when it was the place transgender prostitutes hung out.

[Lordquinton]

4. This forum does not support your assertation

Unless you only read posts by those who force memes about commandments.

[kwassa]

5. You speak for this forum? As the resident Lord?

I have not participated for a long time, nor do I want to now, but I was highly active here when I first joined DU in 2005.

This forum is not about religion at all, but is about atheists vs. theists, or other forms of religious belief. It hasn't changed much in all the years.

I posted this as a point of information for those progressives who see no positivity in religious belief.

[Lordquinton]

7. So you don't even know what this group is like

Then go to attack a regular. Seems on par for some here.

[kwassa]

9. This group doesn't change.

[Lordquinton]

10. Says someone who doesn't even visit it.

[guillaumeb]

34. The 11th Commandment can be a complusion for some.

Agreed?

[Lordquinton]

38. Keep pushing that meme Gil

You did see that the OP came out swinging, yes?

[guillaumeb]

42. What I see is a validation of my observation.

And it happens in nearly every post that I look at.

It could be a coincidence.

[Lordquinton]

50. What is it you say?

You sure have convinced yourself.

[guillaumeb]

56. Your deflector shields need recharging. eom

[Lordquinton]

60. Funny you respond here

And not to other responses. Kinda proves my point about actually being here for disruption and not dialogue.

[guillaumeb]

61. Try recharging the shields. eom

[Lordquinton]

62. Why? Nothing has hit them

You should give yours a rest.

Now, in that other thread, why did you call out the number of posts one person had, but the percentage of mine?

[guillaumeb]

66. Why did you argue with the DU softweare

about the percentage of your posts in religion?

THAT was a good one.

[Lordquinton]

91. Oh yes, why did I do something that never happened?

Or is this some metaphorical thing that I am being a literalist about?

[guillaumeb]

92. Okay.

If that is your answer, let that be the end of it.

[Lordquinton]

93. So this is how you dodge a simple question?

Why did you point out my percentage and MM's numbers?

[guillaumeb]

94. No, I am accepting your comment about you not arguing

that DU's statistics were incorrect.

[Lordquinton]

95. So you are going to answer the question?

Go for it.

[guillaumeb]

96. I felt it was relevant to observe your focus.

Why else would you think that I would do so?

[Lordquinton]

97. So you're not going to answer the question?

That would be much easier if you came out and said so.

[guillaumeb]

98. I did answer, in my previous post.

What did you find unclear?

[trotsky]

23. It certainly won't if you pop in to throw more gas on the fire like this.

Why don't you act like a progressive Christian should? Or do you think you are?

[guillaumeb]

35. That old 11th Commandment can make people do the funniest things.

And many of those things confirm the validity of the initial observation.

[Lordquinton]

39. Such an ironic reply Gil

Did you even read the thread? or are you God's enforcer for your made up commandment?

[guillaumeb]

43. Did you read reply #5?

If so, ironic that you would reference the term irony.

I am not an enforcer, simply an observer. And the observation about the 11th Commandment apparently struck a nerve for a few.

[Lordquinton]

51. Irony is that you also lament the lack of discussion

when you make a grand return only to carpet the group with "LOL 11th commendmant guise"

[trotsky]

63. He's as transparent as can be.

He simply wants to silence atheists. How can he be any more obvious?

[Lordquinton]

90. He'd have to come out and say it

without the "clever" camouflage of his commandment.

[trotsky]

65. So kwassa has to follow the 11th commandment?

But he was compelled to bash atheists?

You're all over the place, gil. I have no idea what point you're trying to make, other than that anyone with a contrary opinion about religion needs to shut up.

[guillaumeb]

68. Your last sentence confirms that you do not

have any idea of my point.

[trotsky]

69. Then explain!

Show us you can dialog, gil! Explain how this "11th commandment" you made up is NOT the same as wanting atheists to shut up.

Explain.

Or show your hypocrisy once again.

[guillaumeb]

70. You make a claim to desire dialogue, and follow it with insult.

The 11th Commandment requires that any positive post about religion or theists be trashed, and generally requires also that the motivation of the poster be questioned.

[trotsky]

71. "requires also that the motivation of the poster be questioned."

No, that's what your "11th commandment" does.

And as I pointed out to you, it's based on bullshit anyway, because not "any positive post about religion or theists" gets trashed. I can give you multiple links to threads that are never sullied by the opinions of us dirty atheists. So what you are doing is telling a bold-faced lie, and you undermine your own position every time you repeat it. Your lie maligns an entire group of people. It spreads anger, hatred, and resentment. Is that what you think you, as a Christian, should be doing?

[guillaumeb]

73. You certainly constructed an elaborate figure.

Amazing what straw can be used to do.

[trotsky]

74. Do you believe your claim is truthful?

Because I will happily provide links that prove otherwise. I already gave you one link, and am willing to provide more.

[guillaumeb]

75. My observation is my opinion.

And the validity of the observation is supported daily.

[trotsky]

77. That's not what I asked.

You specifically said your 11th commandment requires atheists to make a negative comment on ANY positive thread about religion or theists.

Is that claim true or false, gil?

[guillaumeb]

78. You mis-stated my observation.

Your misstatement is incorrect.

[trotsky]

79. I used YOUR exact fucking word.

Try again.

[guillaumeb]

80. No, you misstated the observation.

Link to the entire observation and we can have dialogue.

[trotsky]

81. Tell you what, YOU link to the observation.

You've made several now, reinterpreting/rephrasing as someone catches you in a trap.

So I'm not going to play a guessing game here. Pick the definition you want to use for your commandment going forward, and we'll work with that.

Deal?

[guillaumeb]

82. Caught in a trap? Is this dialogue, or accusation?

The original text was this:

An 11th Commandment is clearly needed.
One specific to the Religion group. One that would reflect the reality of many of the viewpoints and responses here.

The 11th Commandment to read:

Thou shalt not make any positive references to religion, religious beliefs, or theists in this group.

[trotsky]

83. This is what you expressed upthread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=285970

"The 11th Commandment requires that any positive post about religion or theists be trashed, and generally requires also that the motivation of the poster be questioned."

That is COMPLETELY different than what you just posted. Are you telling me, here and now, that you have committed to this post (#82) as your official, formal, and permanent statement of what your "11th commandment" is?

Please respond yes or no.

[guillaumeb]

84. This is an explanation of the observed tactics of the followers

of the 11th Commandment.

So no, it is not completely different.

[trotsky]

86. I asked you to respond yes or no.

Please respond yes or no to this question:

Are you telling me, here and now, that you have committed to this post (#82) as your official, formal, and permanent statement of what your "11th commandment" is?

[guillaumeb]

87. Reread what I said.

What I said, along with the original post and the linked post, is all apart of the exegesis of the 11th Commandment.

Dialogue does not consist in one person making demands.

[trotsky]

88. You refuse to answer, so I shall criticize the part of the exegesis contained in your post #70.

For reference again:

The 11th Commandment requires that any positive post about religion or theists be trashed, and generally requires also that the motivation of the poster be questioned.

Here are multiple recent positive posts about religion or theists that NO ONE has "trashed":

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218285531
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218285310
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218285090
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218284427
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218283970
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218283294
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218283168

Clearly, NOT "any" post will get trashed. You are wrong. Admit your error, please, to prove you are sincere about wanting dialog.

[trotsky]

89. Day 2

Admit your error, please, to prove you are sincere about wanting dialog.

[guillaumeb]

85. And:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=283968

[sheshe2]

8. ;)

[kwassa]

15. good to see you!

[sheshe2]

16. Hey kwassa.

Good to see you too. I haven't been around much either.

[trueblue2007]

12. I consider myself a Progressive Christian Woman.

[kwassa]

13. Excellent!

[Voltaire2]

20. Please provide a link to somebody in this forum claiming

That there are no progressive Christians.

[guillaumeb]

36. That 11th Commandment is a crazy thing.

It surfaces everywhere.

[Voltaire2]

49. So once again you've got nothing.

And are reduced to your infantile bluster.

[guillaumeb]

55. Once again my observation is accurate,

and your deflector shields are losing power rapidly.

[calimary]

11. That was a humdinger of a homily!

I kept vacillating between “DANG! What a speech!” to “a star is born.”

He doggone near stole the whole show. I found him to be rather magnificent. I hope he uses his newly-acquired game and prominence to do good and help our poor off-course nation come back to its collective senses. We need some powerful pushback!

[kwassa]

14. I hope so, too.

Curry is a powerful voice.

[notdarkyet]

18. I was raised Episcopalian. Father Fowler led the

Spiritual journey of the congregation. The quest of the church was service, and Father Fowler had endless energy . He is the reason I committed and participated in protest of the problems of our time. The Vietnam War, migrant farm workers. This is a pillar of episcopal belief. Bishop TuTu is Anglican. Bishop Curry is Episcopalian. I have great memories of my days in belief, but I am now an atheist.

[AllaN01Bear]

19. rah for bishoo curry.

many of "them" feel that we epiiscopallians are too librl
if taking care of the sick, helping the poor and eldery/disabled make me liberal , so be it. doing gods work.

[Act_of_Reparation]

21. Yawn.

Well, the important part is you found an excuse to hop back in here and add more poison to the well.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[trotsky]

24. Imagine that.

Barge in, drop a giant turd in the punchbowl, and declare "This party sucks!"

Thanks, dude. Way to help. Oh well, we atheists deserve it because we won't shut up and stay under the bus, I guess.

[guillaumeb]

37. So positive news is poison in the well?

Speaking of change…..what do you wish to see?

[Mariana]

44. It's hardly positive news if

"so many on DU don't seem to understand that there are progressive Christians, and they vote."

There is good news, though. The good news is the poster's assertion is not true. I suspect the percentage of DUers who understand that there are such things as progressive Christians who vote is very, very close to 100.

[guillaumeb]

45. When a poster says:

Well, the important part is you found an excuse to hop back in here and add more poison to the well.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

forgive me for observing the 11th Commandment in action.

[Mariana]

53. What percentage of DUers

do you think "don't seem to understand that there are progressive Christians, and they vote." You needn't take a survey, a guess based upon your own observation will be fine. Do you suppose it's high enough to honestly be called "so many DUers"?

[guillaumeb]

58. You are deflecting.

It is weakening the shields.

[Act_of_Reparation]

64. Possible conclusions:

1 - You actually didn't read the OP.
2 - You read the OP but somehow didn't notice the part of the post where the well was poisoned.
3 - You don't know what "poisoning the well" means.

I'm open to alternatives, of course.

[guillaumeb]

67. Is this an internal monologue that was inadvertently posted?

If so, I understand.

[Act_of_Reparation]

72. No, it wasn't.

So I am to take it, then, that you do not understand?

[trotsky]

22. "so many on DU don't seem to understand that there are progressive Christians"

Who?

This sounds like an unfounded smear. I have not seen ANYONE on DU claim there are no progressive Christians. Have you?

You should retract such a false and divisive statement, kwassa. There are lots of progressive non-believers, and we vote, too. Considering that the non-religious are now the nation's largest voting bloc when it comes to religious categorizations, perhaps it's time to be concerned about us as well.

[yallerdawg]

25. The mocking derisive disdain the irreligious have towards positive religious posts?

You noticed that?

And now they are screaming, "Who, moi?" Not anything positive about the OP, the moral movement taking foot across America in so many ways.

Just attack the messenger.

MOST RECS I'VE SEEN LATELY IN THIS GROUP!!!

Point well made!!!

[Voltaire2]

26. Perhaps you can provide a link that substantiates

the claim that “ many on DU don't seem to understand that there are progressive Christians”, “as evidenced by commentary on this forum“, as the person who made that claim has decided not to do that.

[guillaumeb]

48. Perhaps you could respond to post #25?

Or, you could pivot to a more familiar theme.

[Voltaire2]

54. Or you could substantiate the claim that

many here do not understand that there are progressive christians.

There is no point in engaging with a poster who decorates his posts with snickering imbecile emojis. Actually there is just about no point engaging with a poster who runs around yelling “11th commandment”.

[guillaumeb]

59. Snickering imbecile emojis?

Be the change.

[kwassa]

27. Thank you!

[Voltaire2]

31. Could you please provide a link to a poster

In this forum claiming that there are no progressive christians?

Thanks!

[MineralMan]

32. I don't believe I've ever seen such a claim here.

All of us know progressive Christians, I'm sure. I certainly do. In fact, the Bishop in the OP is one such. I'm glad to see him speaking out, as several others have also said.

Having a chip on one's shoulder sure gets in the way of a reasonable conversation, doesn't it?

[Voltaire2]

33. Sure does.

[MineralMan]

28. Good for him. We need progressive Christian leaders to

offset the crap the conservative fundamentalists and dominionists are trying to shove down our throats. I hope he continues to speak out and lead.

However, you could have done without the snide comment in your OP. I recommended the post, because it shows a progressive Christian speaking out for good. I don't recommend your slams on atheists in this group, though. I consider those to be disruptive and useless.

[guillaumeb]

41. Snide comments?

Really?

[Mariana]

52. Snide comments, really.

The OP could have posted the story without the dishonest comment about "so many on DU". The OP decided to add that gratuitous swipe for his or her own reasons. It certainly had nothing to do with the supposed subject of the post. Perhaps something in Jesus's message inspired the poster to do that.

[guillaumeb]

57. And snide comments are certainly unknown

on the other side.

What message does that send?

[guillaumeb]

40. Recommended.

The Bishop speaks for millions.

[yallerdawg]

46. A REAL prayer vigil at the White House!

[guillaumeb]

47. While Trump prays that Mueller will go away. eom

[wryter2000]

76. Bishop Curry is the head of my church

I've heard him preach. He's pretty awesome.

It would be so nice if progressive Christians finally got some press so the country would stop thinking all pastors think they need multi million dollar planes.